team turmoil again

[SoCalWizFan]

I asked about if Cravens was going to be our SS. Yes negative. skinsdad posted a negative article.

Fair enough but how let's just see how this plays & how it works out for the Redskins & Cravens & not focusing so much on who made the pick in the 1st place. I don't care about that at this time - I simply want the Skins to do well against the Eagles & yes have Cravens do what he believes to be best for him (in spite of feedback from the fans & media).

 

[Stymietee]

we just signed a lineman off of waivers that gave up 8 sacks last year PFF worst lineman of 2016 wtf sign kalis damn dudes we signed him because jay gruden want vets on the line wtf ever

Maybe Bruce should have consulted with SM.......OR......This is what it looks like when Bruce gets players!

It's going to be interesting to see how well Bruce is able to sign players who can come in and contribute when there are injuries.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Maybe Bruce should have consulted with SM.......OR......This is what it looks like when Bruce gets players!

It's going to be interesting to see how well Bruce is able to sign players who can come in and contribute when there are injuries.

yep

 

[gkekoa]

you cant not give credit to Sm for making the playoff run in 2015. Gruden and Kc deserve most of the credit.

Why? We sucked before he got here. We won when he got here. Our team improved under SM.

Wait...you believe everything is a coincidence. NM

 

[deanpet21]

Why? We sucked before he got here. We won when he got here. Our team improved under SM.

Wait...you believe everything is a coincidence. NM

SM had nothing to do with Kc development and Gruden.

 

[Sportster 72]

Reports were that SM went to Bruce Snyder and paved the way for letting Gruden play Cousin's. He saw what everyone else saw which was Griffin did not have the NFL skills. Gruden was the coach along with McVay so they are the two who coached him. Then too you have to include Cavanaugh because he was the QB coach last year.

 

[gkekoa]

SM had nothing to do with Kc development and Gruden.

As people have been telling you. SM may have pushed to allow for the switch to KC.

Either way, he gets some credit. Again, we were successful when he was here. Everywhere he has gone with power, the teams improved. He gets credit for that.

We understand you are extremely biased and think your unfounded opinion means something. We can smack you in the face with facts but you know everything.

 

[deanpet21]

As people have been telling you. SM may have pushed to allow for the switch to KC.

Either way, he gets some credit. Again, we were successful when he was here. Everywhere he has gone with power, the teams improved. He gets credit for that.

We understand you are extremely biased and think your unfounded opinion means something. We can smack you in the face with facts but you know everything.

facts? yea right. Sm can not take credit for KC or Gruden. When he first came here he failed in his first FA. Remember the Paea and Culliver signings? Sure he gets credit in believing in KC but everyone knew KC ran this offense better than RG3.

He was over rated here. Call it bias but its the truth. This offseason COULD be better than SM's 2 off seasons combined. Im not negative at all where this team is going. You guys are.

 

[gkekoa]

facts? yea right. Sm can not take credit for KC or Gruden. When he first came here he failed in his first FA. Remember the Paea and Culliver signings? Sure he gets credit in believing in KC but everyone knew KC ran this offense better than RG3.

He was over rated here. Call it bias but its the truth. This offseason COULD be better than SM's 2 off seasons combined. Im not negative at all where this team is going. You guys are.

Nobody claims he deserves THE credit. He should be credited. He is credited. He looks even better if we start regressing. There is more to this than personnel, especially when we don't actually know how much power he had.

Your bias screams in absolutes.

It is a fact that we improved when SM came here. It is a fact that Seahawks improved when SM went there. It is a fact that SF improved when SM went there.

 

[Sharkinva]

The moment Dean decided he hated Scot McCloughan

Washington Redskins pick offensive lineman Brandon Scherff No. 5 in 2015 NFL Draft

 

[ehb5]

if that is the case then he seems to be a high maintence diva . but again lets let the information get out and see.

Could just be a recurring issue.

 

[ehb5]

FWIW...

I think SM is pretty overrated as a talent evaluator...mostly because I think everybody is on the same level here. Everybody's guessing and nobody knows shit. The "good" GMs, the "bad" GMs, all of em - theyre all just making educated guesswork. So losing SM isnt the end of the world for us in the draft. It also means its dumb to freak out and blame SM for any of our picks these past couple years. Doctson and Cravens havent been able to get on the field hardly. GTFO here if you think thats his fault. Some picks dont work out.

and...

I think SM is pretty underrated on the culture side. Things changed when he came in here. For at least a little while Danny boy wasnt making the decisions about football. Players loved SM and wanted to play here. He instilled a certain attitude and culture that I would hate to see us lose. And most importantly he was not Bruce or Dan. Ill be happy with any GM who isnt a yes man at this point but that seems too much to ask for.

 

[deanpet21]

Nobody claims he deserves THE credit. He should be credited. He is credited. He looks even better if we start regressing. There is more to this than personnel, especially when we don't actually know how much power he had.

Your bias screams in absolutes.

It is a fact that we improved when SM came here. It is a fact that Seahawks improved when SM went there. It is a fact that SF improved when SM went there.

The emergence of Reed, Kc, and the offense made this team competitive. Tell me what he should be credited with? His draft? His FA signings? Give me examples.

 

[Sharkinva]

The emergence of Reed, Kc, and the offense made this team competitive. Tell me what he should be credited with? His draft? His FA signings? Give me examples.

Benching RG3, which lead to this team actually improving. If you really think Bruce would have allowed his chosen one to be benched in any other situation, you are delusional. And hell even then, Scot and Jay were basically putting their jobs on the line when making that change.

We get it Dean, the moment Scot drafted Scherff over Williams, he became shit in your book. Just admit it bro.

 

[deanpet21]

Benching RG3, which lead to this team actually improving. If you really think Bruce would have allowed his chosen one to be benched in any other situation, you are delusional. And hell even then, Scot and Jay were basically putting their jobs on the line when making that change.

We get it Dean, the moment Scot drafted Scherff over Williams, he became shit in your book. Just admit it bro.

So SM gets credit for that and Gruden gets nothing? lol. You are saying the head coach didn't have final say over his QB situation?

 

[Sharkinva]

So SM gets credit for that and Gruden gets nothing? lol. You are saying the head coach didn't have final say over his QB situation?

Yes, I am saying if Scot wasnt there, Gruden would have been over ruled on who to start. Just like he was in 2014. Just like Shanahan likely was in 2013.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes, I am saying if Scot wasnt there, Gruden would have been over ruled on who to start. Just like he was in 2014. Just like Shanahan likely was in 2013.

IN 2014 Gruden was brought here to try to revive RG3. When that experiment failed they went to KC in 2015 which was a playoff year. Saying SM was the reason for the success of this team is far fetched IMO. Getting off topic here. I not going down this road again. Lets hope our 24m QB proves it this year.

 

[gkekoa]

The emergence of Reed, Kc, and the offense made this team competitive. Tell me what he should be credited with? His draft? His FA signings? Give me examples.

There are a ton of reasons we improved. Every decision made on the team, SM gets credit for because he allowed it to happen. The only decision he doesn't get credit for is not resigning KC. That falls solely on BA Because he overturned the decision.

SM not only gets credit for bringing people here but also not bringing people here and letting others walk.

I think you need to look up the word correlation and compare it to causation.

SM correlates to an improved team every place he has been given power.

 

[gkekoa]

IN 2014 Gruden was brought here to try to revive RG3. When that experiment failed they went to KC in 2015 which was a playoff year. Saying SM was the reason for the success of this team is far fetched IMO. Getting off topic here. I not going down this road again. Lets hope our 24m QB proves it this year.

Nobody has said SM is THE REASON for success. We are saying he is a factor, as is JG, KC, JR, and a myriad of others.

 

[Sharkinva]

Nobody has said SM is THE REASON for success. We are saying he is a factor, as is JG, KC, JR, and a myriad of others.

I am 100% saying that if SM wasnt the GM, Kirk would have never been given the chance to start for this team. At the end of 2014, Gruden came out and said we would have an open competition for the QB position. Four days later, after a meeting with Allen and Snyder (before SM was hired), Gruden said RG3 was the starter and there would be no competition. Scot isnt the reason Kirk has succeeded, but without him Kirk would have never gotten the chance to start in 2015 short of injury to RG3. He probably would not have been franchise tagged last year, as they would have given griffin one more chance. And odds are, we would still be trying to justify the RG3 trade even now.