Stafford 92mg and 27m per season

[gkekoa]

If you're okay with 9 win seasons that's fine. I am not. Especially if my QB is getting overpaid.

Last year might of been a fluke, but he's still more successful than Cousins.

I did my research on Brady, maybe you should check on that. 24th in total yards allowed, 24th in passing yards allowed, 21st in rushing yards per attempt, 22nd in drives ending in a score. It wasn't good.\

Winning football games does factor into how much you SHOULD be paid. So SHOULD individual play. But if you are throwing for 5,000 yards every season but you can barely make the playoffs, I'd be looking for a change.

That's a horrible justification and defense of Kirk Cousins. That's like saying "well Dak Prescott is first among all active QBs in winning percentage." It's an unfair argument.

The NYG won a SB with 9 wins. I am not okay with nine wins unless there is improvement. We have improved with KC as the QB. Our defense has not. If our defense improves, brace yourself, we will improve.

Matt Ryan was less successful through two seasons than KC. In 9 years as a starter, maybe KC can prove he can blow the biggest lead in SB history by not scoring in the second half while being in FG range twice.

New England in 2001 gave up 17 PPG which was good for sixth in the NFL...the only defensive stat that matters. The purpose of the defense is to prevent the other team from scoring. 2003 the defense was #1 scoring. 2004 they were #2. 2014 they were way down to 8 allowing a monstrous 19.6 a game. And in 2016 they were number one again in defense coming up huge in the SB shutting down another historically great offense. *MIC DROP*

So Brees needs to go? Got it. You may want to look at how good the Saints are typically.

I agree it is a terrible argument but you keep making it when it suits your needs.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

OMG - am I reading this correctly? Comparing QBs for the Redskins & the Chiefs & basing it on wins & losses. You have to be on crack to even mention the Chiefs & Redskins defenses over the last several seasons in the same sentence (Skins might be a bit better now but last year they were pretty bad).

Alex Smith is the definition of an average, game managing QB. Give me a break.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

And that's exactly what I think you guys are too. 7-8 wins. Is that worth $24-27 mil a year? I don't think so.

Again - it is not as if they spent money that would be applied to other areas. The Redskins are fine cap wise, and the recommended approach for them is to build via the draft & more frugal FA moves - not spending tons of money on high $$ free agents. If you knew this team (which you don't) you would understand that. Stop pretending like you know what is best for the Redskins. I would say the same about me & others here if we try to advise as to how the Steelers should build their team.

 

[Yo Tee]

The NYG won a SB with 9 wins. I am not okay with nine wins unless there is improvement. We have improved with KC as the QB. Our defense has not. If our defense improves, brace yourself, we will improve.

Matt Ryan was less successful through two seasons than KC. In 9 years as a starter, maybe KC can prove he can blow the biggest lead in SB history by not scoring in the second half while being in FG range twice.

New England in 2001 gave up 17 PPG which was good for sixth in the NFL...the only defensive stat that matters. The purpose of the defense is to prevent the other team from scoring. 2003 the defense was #1 scoring. 2004 they were #2. 2014 they were way down to 8 allowing a monstrous 19.6 a game. And in 2016 they were number one again in defense coming up huge in the SB shutting down another historically great offense. *MIC DROP*

So Brees needs to go? Got it. You may want to look at how good the Saints are typically.

I agree it is a terrible argument but you keep making it when it suits your needs.

Once the Redskins win a Super Bowl while winning 9 games, come talk to me.

**PICKED MIC BACK UP*** The 2001 New England defense allowed the 8th most yards in the NFL that year. Good for 24th in the league in total defense. **LIGHTLY SET MIC DOWN**

Matt Ryan was less successful in the first two years? He went 11-5 and 9-5 as a starter and was Rookie of the Year. Only thing Cousins has in his first two years that Ryan didn't was a division title. Can't say Cousins was more successful.

Drew Brees should probably call it a career after this year. There's nothing left for him to prove. Already has a Super Bowl, already has multiple NFL records, nothing he hasn't done.

Can't say any of my arguments have been as horrible as saying what you said about Cousins.

 

[Yo Tee]

OMG - am I reading this correctly? Comparing QBs for the Redskins & the Chiefs & basing it on wins & losses. You have to be on crack to even mention the Chiefs & Redskins defenses over the last several seasons in the same sentence (Skins might be a bit better now but last year they were pretty bad).

Alex Smith is the definition of an average, game managing QB. Give me a break.

We are comparing the successfulness of each QB.

 

[Yo Tee]

Again - it is not as if they spent money that would be applied to other areas. The Redskins are fine cap wise, and the recommended approach for them is to build via the draft & more frugal FA moves - not spending tons of money on high $$ free agents. If you knew this team (which you don't) you would understand that. Stop pretending like you know what is best for the Redskins. I would say the same about me & others here if we try to advise as to how the Steelers should build their team.

I'm not pretending to know what's best, I am simply stating that paying Kirk Cousins $24-27 mil a year is a mistake and he doesn't deserve that salary. I'm judging paying Cousins so much. Not dictating how the Redskins should build their team. Stop taking things personally and realize that it's just a football discussion. That's all.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Well - this guy just made my "Ignore" list. I think he views himself as some type of genius. I see it quite differently & am thankful that I won't have to read his replies for the time being.

 

[gkekoa]

Smith has a playoff win AND multiple division titles AND 2 pro bowls. Stafford and Cousins each have 0 playoff wins and 1 pro bowl. Cousins has 1 division title, Stafford has 0.

And Dilfer and Brad Johnson have SBs but Marino does not.

Smith took over in 2006 as the 49ers starting QB.

In 2011, they made the playoffs for the first time with Smith. That season SF was number two in scoring defense and they were eight in rushing. He won a single playoff game that season.

In 2012, they went to CK.

In 2013, AS went to KC and made the playoffs, losing their only game. KC was five in scoring defense and ten in rushing offense.

In 2015, KC went 1-1 in playoffs. They had the three scoring defense and six rushing offense.

Smith can be successful if you ask him to do nothing in the offense and you put a top five defense on the team.

Or we can go your route and proclaim Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were better than Marino.

 

[Yo Tee]

And Dilfer and Brad Johnson have SBs but Marino does not.

Smith took over in 2006 as the 49ers starting QB.

In 2011, they made the playoffs for the first time with Smith. That season SF was number two in scoring defense and they were eight in rushing. He won a single playoff game that season.

In 2012, they went to CK.

In 2013, AS went to KC and made the playoffs, losing their only game. KC was five in scoring defense and ten in rushing offense.

In 2015, KC went 1-1 in playoffs. They had the three scoring defense and six rushing offense.

Smith can be successful if you ask him to do nothing in the offense and you put a top five defense on the team.

Or we can go your route and proclaim Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson were better than Marino.

Whatever you say. You're right. Seems like on this thread, there's no debating. No back and forth can happen. It's either, Redskins fans are right or they are right because y'all are never wrong according to y'all. Needless to say I'm done with this conversation.

 

[gkekoa]

Once the Redskins win a Super Bowl while winning 9 games, come talk to me.

**PICKED MIC BACK UP*** The 2001 New England defense allowed the 8th most yards in the NFL that year. Good for 24th in the league in total defense. **LIGHTLY SET MIC DOWN**

Matt Ryan was less successful in the first two years? He went 11-5 and 9-5 as a starter and was Rookie of the Year. Only thing Cousins has in his first two years that Ryan didn't was a division title. Can't say Cousins was more successful.

Drew Brees should probably call it a career after this year. There's nothing left for him to prove. Already has a Super Bowl, already has multiple NFL records, nothing he hasn't done.

Can't say any of my arguments have been as horrible as saying what you said about Cousins.

Does the team with the most yards win the games? Or does the team with the most points? *shoves mic down your throat*

OK...so now it is back to wins. Which is it going to be Dilfer? His QB rating was below 90 both seasons.

OK...so now Brees should retire because your argument is BS?

What exactly did I say about KC? Be specific and provide evidence.

 

[gkekoa]

Whatever you say. You're right. Seems like on this thread, there's no debating. No back and forth can happen. It's either, Redskins fans are right or they are right because y'all are never wrong according to y'all. Needless to say I'm done with this conversation.

Of course I am right. I am providing the evidence. Don't run off because you can't keep your facts and arguments aligned "cupcake." Better yet, run off because I have wasted enough time making you cry.

 

[skinsdad62]

And that's exactly what I think you guys are too. 7-8 wins. Is that worth $24-27 mil a year? I don't think so.

i believe that rather then take a step back that paying him seems like the better option rather then gut a few drafts to get a maybe .

 

[gkekoa]

i believe that rather then take a step back that paying him seems like the better option rather then gut a few drafts to get a maybe .

I think I made him cry.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think I made him cry.

see i dont get his debate . he comes out and says KC hasnt had back to back winning seasons
i correct him on that fact and he jumps to "am i satisfied with that ? " which isnt anything near what i said

then i said we are building and then he goes to" how long have we and how long is long enough " which again doesnt really matter now does it ?

the question is who is a viable , available , replacement for him if you dont pay him

also i question his ability to understand supply and demand . is KC a top 3 qb ? hell no ! will we have to shell out that money to keep him ? yes

the cap argument is foolish we dont have cap issues

 

[Sharkinva]

the cap argument is foolish we dont have cap issues

The only way we have cap issues is if they sign Kirk, then decide to do something foolish like cut him a year later. Even then we dont have an issue, just a one year unexpected setback.

Now where the issues arise is

1. We sign Grap or McCarron to a long term deal ( both of which i expect to command in the 20-22M per year range) and either ends up being the next Oswieler.

2. We walk away from Kirk, but we didnt finish quite bad enough to draft the QB Danny really wants, and thus we dish out an ass load of picks to move up again.

 

[Yo Tee]

see i dont get his debate . he comes out and says KC hasnt had back to back winning seasons
i correct him on that fact and he jumps to "am i satisfied with that ? " which isnt anything near what i said

then i said we are building and then he goes to" how long have we and how long is long enough " which again doesnt really matter now does it ?

the question is who is a viable , available , replacement for him if you dont pay him

also i question his ability to understand supply and demand . is KC a top 3 qb ? hell no ! will we have to shell out that money to keep him ? yes

the cap argument is foolish we dont have cap issues

My debate is, which I've stated NUMEROUS TIMES, Kirk Cousins is NOT deserving of paying him $24-27 mil a year when you compare him to guys like Matt Ryan and Alex Smith who have had MORE success when it comes to winning championships and division titles and individual accomplishments. That's the question. Do you think what Kirk Cousins has brought to the Redskins is worth that much. If you do, that's fine. Have fun paying elite QB price for an ok QB. I personally don't think what he's brought to the Redskins is worth that salary. He deserves a contract, definitely, but not $24 mil a year. $14-17 mil at BEST.

 

[gkekoa]

My debate is, which I've stated NUMEROUS TIMES, Kirk Cousins is NOT deserving of paying him $24-27 mil a year when you compare him to guys like Matt Ryan and Alex Smith who have had MORE success when it comes to winning championships and division titles and individual accomplishments. That's the question. Do you think what Kirk Cousins has brought to the Redskins is worth that much. If you do, that's fine. Have fun paying elite QB price for an ok QB. I personally don't think what he's brought to the Redskins is worth that salary. He deserves a contract, definitely, but not $24 mil a year. $14-17 mil at BEST.

Nobody stated he deserves 24-27 million a year. That is what he is going to get because NFL QB contracts don't go on a year to year basis, unless you are dumb enough to sign your QB to back to back FTs.

I have shown you Matt Ryan didn't have more success in his first two seasons and Smith sure as hell had far less success (even when speaking of winning).

That isn't elite money. Elite money doesn't exist. That is starting QB money.

If you think he should only get 14 mil a season, you are dumb as a box of fucking rocks. You obviously have no understanding of NFL contracts and should probably head back to your own board.

 

[skinsdad62]

My debate is, which I've stated NUMEROUS TIMES, Kirk Cousins is NOT deserving of paying him $24-27 mil a year when you compare him to guys like Matt Ryan and Alex Smith who have had MORE success when it comes to winning championships and division titles and individual accomplishments. That's the question. Do you think what Kirk Cousins has brought to the Redskins is worth that much. If you do, that's fine. Have fun paying elite QB price for an ok QB. I personally don't think what he's brought to the Redskins is worth that salary. He deserves a contract, definitely, but not $24 mil a year. $14-17 mil at BEST.

who said deserves ? that is what it will cost to keep him . who do replace him with MR rodes ? you came into this debate like 50 months too late . who do you replace him with ? give me names

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

redskins are a stagment cut kirk

 

[Mitziman]

Here's a "history" lesson for you. The NFL HOF includes three former Alabama quarterbacks. Which if I'm not mistaken, is more than any other school.

Now take that little "history" lesson, stuff it in your lunchbox, go home and suck on that a while before you open your mouth with such nonsense again.

So your reason for hating on McCarron is he played for Alabama and Alabama QBs suck?

McCoy is strictly a weak armed backup that will get injured with extended play. McCarron is still an unknown but performed decently when he got the chance.[/QUOTE]

Never said anything hateful about McCarron, or our starting QB. McCarron, just might need some good coaching like Dalton and Cousins to get to the next level.