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[Mitziman]

I also don't understand the hype for AJ McCarron. He's a decent QB but people all over this forum talk about him like he's the best Aaron Rodgers or something. I don't see the appeal of the guy and history isn't on his side either. Usually, Alabama QBs suck in the NFL lol.

If we are going by potential, then I'd have Garoppolo, Watson and Mahomes ahead of McCoy definitely.[/QUOTE]



Here's a "history" lesson for you. The NFL HOF includes three former Alabama quarterbacks. Which if I'm not mistaken, is more than any other school.

Now take that little "history" lesson, stuff it in your lunchbox, go home and suck on that a while before you open your mouth with such nonsense again.

 

[Kendall Eberhardt]

why not its not like kc is a elway or manning type we are just spinning our wheels with kc 8-8 at best this year wow

Yea but Elway and manning were the starter for their teams for years before they won anything, the team added players and built the team around them and then eventually won. That's all you can do is hope you can win by building around a QB that's good and give him confidence. they are human after all

 

[gkekoa]

I also don't understand the hype for AJ McCarron. He's a decent QB but people all over this forum talk about him like he's the best Aaron Rodgers or something. I don't see the appeal of the guy and history isn't on his side either. Usually, Alabama QBs suck in the NFL lol.

If we are going by potential, then I'd have Garoppolo, Watson and Mahomes ahead of McCoy definitely.

Here's a "history" lesson for you. The NFL HOF includes three former Alabama quarterbacks. Which if I'm not mistaken, is more than any other school.

Now take that little "history" lesson, stuff it in your lunchbox, go home and suck on that a while before you open your mouth with such nonsense again.[/QUOTE]

So your reason for hating on McCarron is he played for Alabama and Alabama QBs suck?

McCoy is strictly a weak armed backup that will get injured with extended play. McCarron is still an unknown but performed decently when he got the chance.

 

[Sharkinva]

So your reason for hating on McCarron is he played for Alabama and Alabama QBs suck?

McCoy is strictly a weak armed backup that will get injured with extended play. McCarron is still an unknown but performed decently when he got the chance.

I cant disagree about McCarron looking good when he got his chances. But how many backups have we seen look good in their original system, only to fail spectacularly when they get to a new team and are designated "The MAN".

This is why I expect Garappolo, and McCarron to have a high chane at being the next Oswieler/Cassell story. An over hyped backup, handed the keys to the kingdom only to disappoint in the end at a premium price. Seriously would rather pay Kirk than go after either of these guys.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Yea but Elway and manning were the starter for their teams for years before they won anything, the team added players and built the team around them and then eventually won. That's all you can do is hope you can win by building around a QB that's good and give him confidence. they are human after all

true

 

[Stymietee]

The real problem is that Kirk Cousins is, by some measures, a top 10 QB in a league, specifically designed to enhance passing performances by mediocre players. I liken it to a vastly watered down Marino League, where Marino was a great player, and these guys, who are not, can get big numbers....by design rather than the caliber/nature or class of the player.

This is the real reason why there is even debate about these guys today. History cannot be discounted when constantly expanding salaries are being paid to rule induced "top 10" talents who are ONLY that because of those changes.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

[/QUOTE]

Here's a "history" lesson for you. The NFL HOF includes three former Alabama quarterbacks. Which if I'm not mistaken, is more than any other school.

Now take that little "history" lesson, stuff it in your lunchbox, go home and suck on that a while before you open your mouth with such nonsense again.[/QUOTE]

Seriously? The last one of those QBs retired over 30 years ago. What in the hell does any of that have to do with QBs and the modern game? Alabama has not had a good QB presence in the NFL in the modern era in spite of the fact that they dominate at other positions (kind of like the situation with Univ or Miami previously).

McCarron may still prove to be solid in the NFL, but he really has proven nothing to date & the fact that he played QB for AL really means next to nothing. For this over-the-top rah-rah Redskins guy you sure appear to have a lot of hate for Cousins - strange.

 

[Yo Tee]

Cousins statistically has been a top ten QB the last two years. The rub is that he isnt elite, and apparently paying him what it will cost is reserved for elite QBs, or younger QBs one expects to become elite.

Really?? you want to start over again??

Kirk Cousins is a stat machine. That's about it. If you want to pay more than $24 mil a year for stats, then by all means, go right ahead. Also, Blake Bortles was a top 10 QB in 2015 statistically so I wouldn't hang your hat on that fact too long. The rub on Cousins is that he's not anything but a stat collector and the team around him can't get the job done. So far, KC and RG3 have given you the same things, 1 division title and a playoff loss. The issue with Cousins is the same with Stafford, success is not something those two have a lot of. These two QBs want to be paid more, which is making their team be able to afford less to make their team better. I hate the guy, but take a page out of Tom Brady's book, take a pay cut so your team can sign whoever you need to make the team better. You don't make the team better by paying them $27 mil a year to hang on to a playoff spot year in and year out.

 

[Yo Tee]

So your reason for hating on McCarron is he played for Alabama and Alabama QBs suck?

McCoy is strictly a weak armed backup that will get injured with extended play. McCarron is still an unknown but performed decently when he got the chance.

No, as stated, I haven't seen anything from the guy that screams he's should be a starting QB. He's played 5 games and if you talk to some people, he's the greatest backup QB in the history of the NFL and DESERVES a starting job. I simply put the Alabama jab in there because it's historically true.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Kirk Cousins is a stat machine. That's about it. If you want to pay more than $24 mil a year for stats, then by all means, go right ahead. Also, Blake Bortles was a top 10 QB in 2015 statistically so I wouldn't hang your hat on that fact too long. The rub on Cousins is that he's not anything but a stat collector and the team around him can't get the job done. So far, KC and RG3 have given you the same things, 1 division title and a playoff loss. The issue with Cousins is the same with Stafford, success is not something those two have a lot of. These two QBs want to be paid more, which is making their team be able to afford less to make their team better. I hate the guy, but take a page out of Tom Brady's book, take a pay cut so your team can sign whoever you need to make the team better. You don't make the team better by paying them $27 mil a year to hang on to a playoff spot year in and year out.

You mean Tom Brady whose household net worth is $540 M as compared to the $27M for the Cousins net worth? The Redskins issue are not cap related & this idea that Cousins salary is preventing them from building the rest of the team is total nonsense. BTW - if true then perhaps the organization could plan better financially & not pay their QB on the tag 2 years running (never before done by another team) & might be stupid enough to do it 3 years in a row.

To compare Cousins to RG3 is a joke. RG3 has the fundamentals of a HS QB & got by strictly on athletic talent which was ultimately figured out by the rest of the NFL. Cousins has some issues, but is much more than a stat collector, but it is not fair for you to know that since you are a Steelers fan & should not pretend like you know this team as well or better than actual Redskins fans (not berating you - just being honest).

 

[Yo Tee]

Here's a "history" lesson for you. The NFL HOF includes three former Alabama quarterbacks. Which if I'm not mistaken, is more than any other school.

Now take that little "history" lesson, stuff it in your lunchbox, go home and suck on that a while before you open your mouth with such nonsense again.

 

[Yo Tee]

You mean Tom Brady whose household net worth is $540 M as compared to the $27M for the Cousins net worth? The Redskins issue are not cap related & this idea that Cousins salary is preventing them from building the rest of the team is total nonsense. BTW - if true then perhaps the organization could plan better financially & not pay their QB on the tag 2 years running (never before done by another team) & might be stupid enough to do it 3 years in a row.

To compare Cousins to RG3 is a joke. RG3 has the fundamentals of a HS QB & got by strictly on athletic talent which was ultimately figured out by the rest of the NFL. Cousins has some issues, but is much more than a stat collector, but it is not fair for you to know that since you are a Steelers fan & should not pretend like you know this team as well or better than actual Redskins fans (not berating you - just being honest).

Any QB can take a pay cut to help their team get better. Brady proved himself from the get go that he's worth the contract and what he's getting paid. And I'm not saying a drastic pay cut. $2-5 mil per year pay cut helps out. There's some decent free agents next year that the Redskins could go after but if you pay Cousins close to what Stafford is making, that ain't gonna happen. The Redskins are grossly over the cap right now. $13 mil over to be precise. Where are you guys getting that extra money per year to pay Cousins?

I am comparing Cousins and RG3 in terms of success. They have the same success when it comes to bringing prestige to the franchise. 1 division title and 1 playoff appearance that they lost. You can't debate that, that's truth. And I'm not pretending I know more about the Redskins, but it is easy to figure this team out, you just gotta look at statistics and past seasons. Cousins isn't worth the money he's making now and it's kinda sad honestly that Redskins fans are completely okay with being on the fringe of a playoff spot every year and not wanted to strive for better. For all you know, the next QB you draft can be the next Dak Prescott or be as good as Jimmy Garoppolo. You know what you have with Kirk Cousins. 8-9 wins and with the Cowboys better than they've been in recent years, 8-9 wins won't be enough to win the division anymore.

 

[gkekoa]

I cant disagree about McCarron looking good when he got his chances. But how many backups have we seen look good in their original system, only to fail spectacularly when they get to a new team and are designated "The MAN".

This is why I expect Garappolo, and McCarron to have a high chane at being the next Oswieler/Cassell story. An over hyped backup, handed the keys to the kingdom only to disappoint in the end at a premium price. Seriously would rather pay Kirk than go after either of these guys.

I agree Shark. That being said, would you rather McCarron or McCoy?

 

[gkekoa]

No, as stated, I haven't seen anything from the guy that screams he's should be a starting QB. He's played 5 games and if you talk to some people, he's the greatest backup QB in the history of the NFL and DESERVES a starting job. I simply put the Alabama jab in there because it's historically true.

I would say those five games say he is a better backup, perhaps starter, than Colt McCoy.

 

[Breed]

Stafford was not worth that much. Not at all. Hall of Fame contract for a decent QB.

I agree that Stafford is not that caliber QB. You know what's fucked up about the QB position now? Teams aren't paying top dollar for greatness. Teams are paying top dollar for competent/decent QBs now.

 

[gkekoa]

Any QB can take a pay cut to help their team get better. Brady proved himself from the get go that he's worth the contract and what he's getting paid. And I'm not saying a drastic pay cut. $2-5 mil per year pay cut helps out. There's some decent free agents next year that the Redskins could go after but if you pay Cousins close to what Stafford is making, that ain't gonna happen. The Redskins are grossly over the cap right now. $13 mil over to be precise. Where are you guys getting that extra money per year to pay Cousins?

I am comparing Cousins and RG3 in terms of success. They have the same success when it comes to bringing prestige to the franchise. 1 division title and 1 playoff appearance that they lost. You can't debate that, that's truth. And I'm not pretending I know more about the Redskins, but it is easy to figure this team out, you just gotta look at statistics and past seasons. Cousins isn't worth the money he's making now and it's kinda sad honestly that Redskins fans are completely okay with being on the fringe of a playoff spot every year and not wanted to strive for better. For all you know, the next QB you draft can be the next Dak Prescott or be as good as Jimmy Garoppolo. You know what you have with Kirk Cousins. 8-9 wins and with the Cowboys better than they've been in recent years, 8-9 wins won't be enough to win the division anymore.

Who did we not get because KC makes too much money?

From what I can see, we are 40 million under the cap in 2018, without a QB. The cap will also go up. Players will be cut.

So KC is a 8-8 type QB? I agree...with a 20 ranked defense.

I venture to say he is a 12-14 win QB with the number 1 defense.

Garoppolo is great with his 2 starts but McCarron sucks because he went to Alabama. I am starting to think you are simply trolling with your hypocrisy.

As for Dak, great rookie season in the perfect environment. See if he can duplicate it.

 

[Stymietee]

I agree that Stafford is not that caliber QB. You know what's fucked up about the QB position now? Teams aren't paying top dollar for greatness. Teams are paying top dollar for competent/decent QBs now.

Bravo!!......I'm with you on this ^^^^(I call it the multi-diluted Marino league)

 

[Yo Tee]

Who did we not get because KC makes too much money?

From what I can see, we are 40 million under the cap in 2018, without a QB. The cap will also go up. Players will be cut.

So KC is a 8-8 type QB? I agree...with a 20 ranked defense.

I venture to say he is a 12-14 win QB with the number 1 defense.

Garoppolo is great with his 2 starts but McCarron sucks because he went to Alabama. I am starting to think you are simply trolling with your hypocrisy.

As for Dak, great rookie season in the perfect environment. See if he can duplicate it.

Kirk Cousins will be getting paid $35 mil next year if he gets tagged again. That is complete fucking bullshit. No way I could understand paying him that much.

I'm not trolling, you're just hung up on the fact that I said he's an Alabama QB and not the fact that I said I haven't seen ANYTHING from the kid for me to say he's a future starter. Garoppolo has 2 starts, but he's played in 17 games. Garoppolo has yet to throw in INT, 68% accuracy with a QBR of 108.6 and he's learning behind possibly the greatest QB of all-time. McCarron has played 7 games, 6 TDs 2 INTs, yeah he's accurate but he's learning behind Andy Dalton who is less than stellar in his own right. My confidence is NOT in McCarron at all. Sorry, I don't see it and haven't for the last 2 years.

Even writers in Cincy aren't high on him...

5 winners and 2 losers from Bengals’ loss to Washington

 

[Stymietee]

Kirk Cousins will be getting paid $35 mil next year if he gets tagged again. That is complete fucking bullshit. No way I could understand paying him that much.

I'm not trolling, you're just hung up on the fact that I said he's an Alabama QB and not the fact that I said I haven't seen ANYTHING from the kid for me to say he's a future starter. Garoppolo has 2 starts, but he's played in 17 games. Garoppolo has yet to throw in INT, 68% accuracy with a QBR of 108.6 and he's learning behind possibly the greatest QB of all-time. McCarron has played 7 games, 6 TDs 2 INTs, yeah he's accurate but he's learning behind Andy Dalton who is less than stellar in his own right. My confidence is NOT in McCarron at all. Sorry, I don't see it and haven't for the last 2 years.

Even writers in Cincy aren't high on him...

5 winners and 2 losers from Bengals’ loss to Washington

McCarron, like Cousins will do well in a system suited to his talents, maybe not deep playoff or SB well (that would depend on other aspects of the team being really good)Apparently, Cousins is being paid because this is the standard that he's being compared to: (All ring of fame honorees huh?)

Robert Griffin III
Colt McCoy
Rex Grossman
John Beck
Jason Campbell
Mark Brunell
Todd Collins
Patrick Ramsey
Tim Hasselbeck
Danny Wuerffel
Shane Matthews
Tony Banks
Jeff George
Heath Shuler
John Friesz
Cary Conklin
Jay Schroeder

 

[Sharkinva]

I agree Shark. That being said, would you rather McCarron or McCoy?

IF I had to choose, and these were my only choices, I guess i would go with McCarron only because he is younger and has the better Arm. But neither would have me making plans to buy Super Bowl tickets.