OK ABC's

[deanpet21]

and dean , werent you running a line of crap about wanting to "wait and see" and keeping your options open for 2018 ?

you are so bogus you dont know what line of crap you are running

it was an option. I didn't know about the trade laws with the tag.

 

[j_y19]

it was an option. I didn't know about the trade laws with the tag.

So wait and see is no longer an option that you believe in?

 

[Sleepy T]

But VT, you are in a way saying we should let him walk if his money demands exceed what you think he deserves. So shark's question is still valid. if we let him walk over a couple of Million, who do we get? What will it cost?

I'm nobody, so my opinion doesn't matter.

But if his $$$ demands far exceed what he deserves then yes, the FO should and probably will let him walk after this season. The Luck deal is a more than fair deal. If that deal is made and he turns it down so he can break the bank next offseason, then it would be completely obvious to me (and many others), that he doesn't care about this team, fan base, none of it. He cares about himself, his big his bank account, his ego. Gotta feed my family...lol. Bullshit. He can get to steppin' in that scenario. I'll take my chances with McCoy or yes, give up some picks to draft a rookie. We don't know what options we would have so kinda hard to say what I would do, but it wouldn't involve Kirk.

They were talking about this on NFL live the other night. If KC (or any other player) is being grossly overpaid, then other players in the locker room are going to take notice. If said player is being overpaid AND underperforming, it will turn into a total dumpster fire...quickly.

 

[j_y19]

I'm nobody, so my opinion doesn't matter.

But if his $$$ demands far exceed what he deserves then yes, the FO should and probably will let him walk after this season. The Luck deal is a more than fair deal. If that deal is made and he turns it down so he can break the bank next offseason, then it would be completely obvious to me (and many others), that he doesn't care about this team, fan base, none of it. He cares about himself, his big his bank account, his ego. Gotta feed my family...lol. Bullshit. He can get to steppin' in that scenario. I'll take my chances with McCoy or yes, give up some picks to draft a rookie. We don't know what options we would have so kinda hard to say what I would do, but it wouldn't involve Kirk.

They were talking about this on NFL live the other night. If KC (or any other player) is being grossly overpaid, then other players in the locker room are going to take notice. If said player is being overpaid AND underperforming, it will turn into a total dumpster fire...quickly.

Well, we are all nobodys so none of our opinions really matter!

Fair enough. But if the FO doesn't ever offer KC a "luck" type deal, then will you also conclude that the ownership only cares about the bottom line, they really never wanted KC, and Allen's ego means we will most likely loose the best QB we have had in over a decade? Will you ever see any culpability by this FO as to why we find ourselves in this fiasco, or is all due to KC's greed at the end of the day?

 

[deanpet21]

So wait and see is no longer an option that you believe in?

depends on what KC is asking for.

 

[deanpet21]

and dean , werent you running a line of crap about wanting to "wait and see" and keeping your options open for 2018 ?

you are so bogus you dont know what line of crap you are running

it depends on the situation . you don't understand. you are the blank check mentality and that's it.

 

[j_y19]

it depends on the situation . you don't understand. you are the blank check mentality and that's it.

There you go again with the blank check excuse. Let me ask you this. What is it going to cost to replace KC with equal or better QB? Who might that be? When and how can we acquire this player?

All you ABC guys see is the money paid to KC. what you fail to look at is the cost of his replacement both in terms of direct compensation as well as the cost of lost opportunity as we search for this replacement and watch the rest of the team that we are building age and leave as we have to start all over again with the rebuild. This is so short sighted.

If we have learned anything over the last 20 years, it should be that finding a competent QB is not an easy task. There are not enough to go around and if you don't have one, you have zero chance. So we have one, by even your admission. Yet you will let him walk over a few million dollars spread over 5 or 6 years. All to re enter the QB russian roulette game and watch our other talent wither an die. Smart, real smart.

 

[Sleepy T]

Well, we are all nobodys so none of our opinions really matter!

Fair enough. But if the FO doesn't ever offer KC a "luck" type deal, then will you also conclude that the ownership only cares about the bottom line, they really never wanted KC, and Allen's ego means we will most likely loose the best QB we have had in over a decade? Will you ever see any culpability by this FO as to why we find ourselves in this fiasco, or is all due to KC's greed at the end of the day?

Yes, if they do not offer KC a fair deal by the deadline and we lose him to FA next year, it will be no ones fault but the FO. Up to the start of '16, I don't think KC deserved a LTD and I understand why the FO did not offer him one. I would like to see him on the tag for one more year, but thats a complete roll of the dice, and we could very well lose him and starting over and going backwards for a few years. If this happens, people (BA, JG) will lose their jobs somewhere along the way, so I have a feeling they are gonna use what influence they have to make this happen.

 

[deanpet21]

There you go again with the blank check excuse. Let me ask you this. What is it going to cost to replace KC with equal or better QB? Who might that be? When and how can we acquire this player?

All you ABC guys see is the money paid to KC. what you fail to look at is the cost of his replacement both in terms of direct compensation as well as the cost of lost opportunity as we search for this replacement and watch the rest of the team that we are building age and leave as we have to start all over again with the rebuild. This is so short sighted.

If we have learned anything over the last 20 years, it should be that finding a competent QB is not an easy task. There are not enough to go around and if you don't have one, you have zero chance. So we have one, by even your admission. Yet you will let him walk over a few million dollars spread over 5 or 6 years. All to re enter the QB russian roulette game and watch our other talent wither an die. Smart, real smart.

You are asking me to comment for 2018. NO one can do that. You don't know what the offers are so you cant comment.

 

[deanpet21]

Yes, if they do not offer KC a fair deal by the deadline and we lose him to FA next year, it will be no ones fault but the FO. Up to the start of '16, I don't think KC deserved a LTD and I understand why the FO did not offer him one. I would like to see him on the tag for one more year, but thats a complete roll of the dice, and we could very well lose him and starting over and going backwards for a few years. If this happens, people (BA, JG) will lose their jobs somewhere along the way, so I have a feeling they are gonna use what influence they have to make this happen.

I agree with this

 

[Sleepy T]

There you go again with the blank check excuse. Let me ask you this. What is it going to cost to replace KC with equal or better QB? Who might that be? When and how can we acquire this player?

All you ABC guys see is the money paid to KC. what you fail to look at is the cost of his replacement both in terms of direct compensation as well as the cost of lost opportunity as we search for this replacement and watch the rest of the team that we are building age and leave as we have to start all over again with the rebuild. This is so short sighted.

If we have learned anything over the last 20 years, it should be that finding a competent QB is not an easy task. There are not enough to go around and if you don't have one, you have zero chance. So we have one, by even your admission. Yet you will let him walk over a few million dollars spread over 5 or 6 years. All to re enter the QB russian roulette game and watch our other talent wither an die. Smart, real smart.

Sure, but there has to be a tipping point, the big question inquiring minds would love to know is what is the number for us? And what is that number for Kirk?

I work in a very good field where the demand for what I do far exceeds the supply. In my current job, I work for a good boss, go home every night, and make very good money. There is a need for my services in the private sector where I could increase my salary by at least 50%, maybe double it. But if I ask for a 50% raise from my boss or I walk, he is gonna tell me to kick stones. Go live on the road...good luck to you Sparky.

Same concept with this situation. I understand KC has to get his, but everyone needs to also be realistic about what his value is and what is best for the team as a whole.

 

[Krusheasy]

but everyone needs to also be realistic about what his value is and what is best for the team as a whole.

here is a candid interview cousins did back in January where he explains he believes his value is based on % of the salary cap

Segment 5- Kirk Cousins

WASHINGTON — Kirk Cousins and the Redskins begin another offseason of uncertainty.

This time around as Cousins approaches free agency, some of the circumstances have changed. He has 16 more starts under his belt for the team to evaluate. He has, for the second straight season, broken the franchise record for passing yards in a season (4,917), this time breaking his own record. He now also owns the franchise record for completions with 406, to go along with 25 touchdowns and 12 interceptions, all of which amounts to additional prestige of being named a Pro Bowl alternate.

But the potential outcomes are identical to last offseason. The Redskins can re-sign Cousins long-term, let him walk or, as they did in 2016, choose to franchise tag him, this time at around $23.94 million.

Cousins discussed all of these possibilities candidly with Grant Paulsen and Danny Rouhier Monday on 106.7 The Fan’s Under Center, driven by the Lindsay Automotive Group.

Nearing the end of the 2015 season, Cousins spoke of his future with the organization as wanting to “be where I’m wanted.” How wanted does he feel today?

“Well, I think we’re gonna find out,” Cousins said. “Those conversations haven’t happened since July 15 or even before that, so I guess time will tell. It’s still gonna play itself out. But, as I said last night, it really isn’t my choice, much like when I was drafted here.

“The franchise tag pretty much plays out the same way,” he said. “It’s ‘you’re coming back’ or nothing. When I was drafted, it’s ‘you’re drafted here’ or nothing. So you go and you do it and the tag is no different, so it’s really not my call or my choice to make. If they don’t tag me then we’ll cross that bridge when we get there, but the nature of the tag is that the ball’s in their court and it’s really not my call.”

If the Redskins are to re-sign Cousins long-term, they would need the quarterback to be an equal partner, which begs another question entirely: How does Cousins feel about remaining in Washington?

“Well, you know, I need to let some time pass right now and just get some objectivity and have a chance to think things through,” he said. “I’ve been so focused on the season and just trying to get ready for the next opponent, the next opponent and do all I can to be ready that I don’t know that my head’s clear right now.

“I’ll let some time pass. Ultimately, my agent will have those discussions and we’ll cross that bridge when we get there, but certainly it’s kind of their move first when it comes to the tag.”

It’s inarguable that the Redskins have formed on offensive formula that works. Perhaps consistency, in knowing one can succeed with the coaching staff in place, is something quarterbacks value in determining their long term futures.

“Sean’s done a phenomenal job,” Cousins said of offensive coordinator Sean McVay. “I think he’s gonna be interviewing for head coaching jobs and he’s gonna be interviewing for a reason. He’s done a phenomenal job game-planning all season, barely getting any sleep day in and day out to make sure he has the best possible game plan, understands the defense that he’s attacking inside and out and getting guys in a position to be successful.”

“I believe we had two 1,000-yard receivers this year, a Pro Bowl tight end, another tight end who really had a comeback-type year in terms of the way he played and the difference he made for us,” he said.

“We had several different running backs contribute. We had an offensive line that many people would say is in the top — I don’t know — one, two, three in the league so that says a lot about the coordinator, and the system, and the play calling and the design.”

“Football is the ultimate team game and you need great people around you, you can’t do single-handedly, and Sean McVay as a play-caller, Jay Gruden as a head coach, Matt Cavanaugh as a quarterback coach, Bill Callahan as a line coach, I mean the list goes on and on of people that am fully aware that you need to be successful and that’s very important to every quarterback.”

Cousins insists he is completely blind to how this situation will sort itself out.

“Yeah, I don’t know what’s going to happen. I really don’t,” he said. “I will just take it as it comes, have an open mind and try not to be surprised by anything. I mean in this league, you never know. I’ll just be open to however it plays out, but ultimately the offers kind of send a message and you basically can connect the dots based off of those.”

And if the Redskins choose to franchise tag him again?

“I think much like the first year I’d view it the same way,” he said. “I don’t have the option to play anywhere else, so there’s no point in dragging it out or pouting about it. It’s a great opportunity. They’re bringing you back for a reason and it sends a strong message. I have no reason to fight that and essentially I have no voice in the matter anyways, so I can’t really fight it.”

When posed with an analogy that he is in some way like an anxious girlfriend always waiting for an engagement ring that never comes, Cousins pleaded for patience.

“I think you’ve got to remember it’s day one after the season,” he said. “So we haven’t been able to talk since July 15, so I don’t know if they’ve bought the engagement ring, if you will. I don’t know that yet. It’s too early to tell.”

“That’s why I say I keep an open mind and just take it one day at a time,” he said. “We’ll see how it plays out, but certainly it’s much like the draft. I haven’t really picked where I play football since 2007 when I signed to play at Michigan State. You know, the NCAA told me I’d be penalized if I left and had to sit out a year, so I didn’t do that.

“I had no reason to — I love Michigan State — and then was drafted here, and you have to go, and I went and have had a positive experience now for five seasons, and after four was tagged and was told I’ve got to come back.”

“That’s okay and that’s the rules, and you play by the rules,” he said. “And again, I always say control what you can control, and I can’t control whether or not I get tagged, so I’m not gonna worry about it or spend time feeling anxious about it. Ultimately, I’ve just got to keep playing football, and try to do it the best I can and try to continue to be a high-level quarterback and if I do that, trust that in the long run things will work out.”

Cousins was asked to explain why, despite the best wishes of fans, it may not make the best sense to sign a deal below market value at a more team-friendly cost.

“I think there’s a few reasons,” he said. “One is, and first I’ve got to preface this be saying I’m not trying to suck out every dollar possible. I mean, that’s just not the kind of guy I am or the way I’m gonna approach it.

“I understand, like Scot McCloughan understands, like Jay Gruden understands, it’s all about winning football games and to have a platform to make a difference, ultimately which is what I want to do with my life, we’ve got to win football games. When you’re highly paid and you’re losing, no one really cares what you have to say.”

“First of all, a lot of it goes down to percentage of the salary cap,” he said. “If the salary cap was much, much higher, then quarterbacks could make much, much more and it wouldn’t hurt the team, so the cap is really determining everything, so it’s not so much a dollar amount as it is a percentage of the cap.

“How much of the apple are you really taking, regardless of the dollar amount that it is? And so that percentage I think is what my agent has always, and will always, focus on and negotiate off of — that’s what he’s explained to me.”

“Secondly, there’s other quarterbacks that come after you and it would be almost a selfish move to hurt future quarterbacks who get in a position to have a contract,” he continued. “And if you don’t take a deal that’s fair to you, then you’re also taking a deal that’s not fair to them and you’re setting them back as well. So there’s different reasons. You just do the best you can.”

“And frankly, once you sign the contract, there’s no law saying you can’t re-negotiate,” he said. “If you signed a deal and you end up coming away from two seasons saying, ‘Hey, not only did we not win, but I think the reason is that I’m taking too much,’ then you can always talk about changing that, but I don’t a need to do that on the front end.

“If you can win football games and play well and play at a high level still making a fair number, then why do you need to predetermine that and go down? I think for all those reasons, you want to find your value and then be able to play off of that accordingly.”

 

[skinsdad62]

dean you are so full of shit its pathetic . you change your views to suit your own BS purpose almost hourly . you were claiming to be a wait and see guy most of last week as your new mantra . you talked about options in 2018 and when you are asked a simple question you lack the courage to simply answer it

VT answered it Breed answered it but oh no , not dean . you know why ? because you are a bet hedger and nothing more

you are all about flipping the script with blank contract lies that no supporter of KC has put to text

answer the damn question and quit being a coward

 

[deanpet21]

dean you are so full of shit its pathetic . you change your views to suit your own BS purpose almost hourly . you were claiming to be a wait and see guy most of last week as your new mantra . you talked about options in 2018 and when you are asked a simple question you lack the courage to simply answer it

VT answered it Breed answered it but oh no , not dean . you know why ? because you are a bet hedger and nothing more

you are all about flipping the script with blank contract lies that no supporter of KC has put to text

answer the damn question and quit being a coward

no coward. I pretty much agree with Vt. Doesn't makes us ABC's. I called you a blank check guy b/c no matter what KC counters with or offers you say yes. Even if is 100mg.

 

[skinsdad62]

no coward. I pretty much agree with Vt. Doesn't makes us ABC's. I called you a blank check guy b/c no matter what KC counters with or offers you say yes. Even if is 100mg.

so you would give up 2 1st rounders for stafford ? and how do you know what i will say . i believe he will get 60 to 80 mil in guarantees the most important thing

 

[deanpet21]

so you would give up 2 1st rounders for stafford ? and how do you know what i will say . i believe he will get 60 to 80 mil in guarantees the most important thing

Im not giving up picks. didn't Luck get 87mg?

 

[skinsdad62]

Im not giving up picks. didn't Luck get 87mg?

you said you agreed with VT ?

 

[deanpet21]

you said you agreed with VT ?

I agree with Vt about KC

 

[skinsdad62]

so dean you are officially on record as saying you wouldnt give up 2 1st rounders for stafford and he is also a better qb then KC ? just so i understand

 

[deanpet21]

so dean you are officially on record as saying you wouldnt give up 2 1st rounders for stafford and he is also a better qb then KC ? just so i understand

What does this matter? Did Carr just take less than Luck?