POLL Will Denver regret giving RW the 245 million extension?

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Russell Wilson is such a unique QB that his two closest statisitcal comparisons are Cam Newton and Peyton Manning. If you think he can age like Peyton then you're probably getting about 4 more years of elite top tier QB play and this topic is a total joke. If you think he is like Cam Newton then you think he is going to flop completely in Denver. Truth is probably somewhere inbetween but its a no-brainer move for Denver imo.

Not sure I agree with the popular narrative that Seattle is in the bottom tier of teams next year. They had one bad year in like a decade and now everyone is acting like Wilson is washed and their roster will have the top pick next year. They were in the toughest division in football and had a down year. Not a lot to freak out about.

Wilson isn't washed but there's been a decline in his play and his decision making has been questionable the last couple of years. Seattle will be bad and needs to be bad for a top QB prospect.

 

[cdumler7]

Denver will cut him first before he sees that 95 million cause he won't restructure to help the team.

You keep saying this, but it is far from the truth. Heck he did it in Seattle before. This idea that he is all about the money is ridiculous. This contract alone proves that, but even beyond that again he has done it in the past when Seattle came to him and said they needed some room to sign certain players.

 

[cdumler7]

Russell Wilson is such a unique QB that his two closest statisitcal comparisons are Cam Newton and Peyton Manning. If you think he can age like Peyton then you're probably getting about 4 more years of elite top tier QB play and this topic is a total joke. If you think he is like Cam Newton then you think he is going to flop completely in Denver. Truth is probably somewhere inbetween but its a no-brainer move for Denver imo.

Not sure I agree with the popular narrative that Seattle is in the bottom tier of teams next year. They had one bad year in like a decade and now everyone is acting like Wilson is washed and their roster will have the top pick next year. They were in the toughest division in football and had a down year. Not a lot to freak out about.

The question becomes though over the last several years how much has been Wilson holding up this team/roster and how much is more they just have a great roster? They have had some of the worst drafts and trades of the last 5-years so to me I lean towards Wilson picking up this roster more so than the roster being as strong as the record would indicate.

 

[Clayton]

Wilson isn't washed but there's been a decline in his play and his decision making has been questionable the last couple of years. Seattle will be bad and needs to be bad for a top QB prospect.

They could still end up with like the 5th or 6th worst record just due to still being in a tough division and now without a QB. Im just not seeing #1 overall bad when you have DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, etc. Drafted maybe the top RB coming out although he might be a little banged up. Pete Carroll doesnt seem like a tanker, either.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

You keep saying this, but it is far from the truth. Heck he did it in Seattle before. This idea that he is all about the money is ridiculous. This contract alone proves that, but even beyond that again he has done it in the past when Seattle came to him and said they needed some room to sign certain players.

When did he restructure in Seattle?

 

[PolarVortex]

Yep. And he took a lot of hits behind that Seattle OL.

Yep. And the last couple seasons, when it was third-and-long, Wilson was almost a guarantee sack. It got to the point where the Seahawk knew the rush was coming and still couldn't stop it. I got really tired of seeing that.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

They could still end up with like the 5th or 6th worst record just due to still being in a tough division and now without a QB. Im just not seeing #1 overall bad when you have DK Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, etc. Drafted maybe the top RB coming out although he might be a little banged up. Pete Carroll doesnt seem like a tanker, either.

With Geno starting it'll be boring and bad. With Lock starting he'll sling it around with picks so it'll be kind of exciting but bad.

 

[Clayton]

The question becomes though over the last several years how much has been Wilson holding up this team/roster and how much is more they just have a great roster? They have had some of the worst drafts and trades of the last 5-years so to me I lean towards Wilson picking up this roster more so than the roster being as strong as the record would indicate.

Seattle was 14th in point differential last year and 16th in yards per play defense and 12th in points per game defense. They weren't exactly the Jacksonville Jaguars. I just think that when you have a QB like Wilson then expectations change.

Denver did have the 2nd ranked defense last year. There is a real possibility that Denver makes the playoffs, wins the trade, and Seattle still ends up winning like 6 games next year.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

You keep saying this, but it is far from the truth. Heck he did it in Seattle before. This idea that he is all about the money is ridiculous. This contract alone proves that, but even beyond that again he has done it in the past when Seattle came to him and said they needed some room to sign certain players.

I did find 1 restructure to help Duane Brown 5 yrs ago

 

[Robotech]

He’s like the 6 highest paid QB it’s not like they gave him number one money, and let’s say people are right and he’s on the decline, a declining Russell Wilson is still miles better than A) anyone out there in free agency, B) better than any of the quarterbacks drafted this year, and C) better than any of the quarterbacks they could’ve drafted the past few years.

Now will this still be a good deal in 3 years? We’ll have to wait and see but also in three years this contract probably won’t even be in the top 10 for highest paid QB’s so unless he completely falls off a cliff like Manning did in his final year it’ll still be a good deal.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he is better than Drew Lock and Teddy Bridgewater. You're right , of course. Starting NFL QB's get big money. It's just the way it is. It's like when people were saying that Jimmy G's contract was going to hamstring the Niners. It didn't. And RW is a great QB, while Jimmy is average or slightly above average when he is at his best, so I'm gonna say that the Broncos are big winners here.

 

[cdumler7]

When did he restructure in Seattle?

When the Seahawks traded for Duane Brown and needed some cap space freed up they went to Wilson and he was willing to move some money around for them to make that work. When it is things that Wilson agrees with such as getting him a LT Wilson is more than willing to play ball. Problem in Seattle was rarely did they include Wilson in on anything. Hard to play ball with someone who isn't willing to play ball with you.

 

[PolarVortex]

There is a real possibility that Denver makes the playoffs, wins the trade, and Seattle still ends up winning like 6 games next year.

3-14. The Seahawks are going to be horrible. There is a fine gray area between being reluctant to risk and risking too much. Good QBs live in that gray area. Geno is from the Don't Take Any Risks group. He won't have many turnovers but he won't take many shots downfield either. Metcalfe might have a career-high in receptions while also having a career low in receiving yards.

 

[Clayton]

Ya'll are acting like I've never seen Alex Smith win a bunch of games. That said, yeah, Seattle could be 3-14 bad but I dont think thats the most likely result.

 

[Dude]

Not a bad deal all around. The key is in the guaranteed money, which RW probably deserves. He could make a big difference in Denver. They’ve been lacking QB for some time.

 

[Robotech]

Ya'll are acting like I've never seen Alex Smith win a bunch of games. That said, yeah, Seattle could be 3-14 bad but I dont think thats the most likely result.

Greatest number 1 draft pick from 2005. Alex Smith winning a bunch of games was easy work for him.

 

[fastforward]

There are potential trade options open to teams that want to move players with guaranteed contracts. If the team and trade market deem the player isn't worth the money in their contract the team can eat the guarantee and cut the player or agree terms with a trading team where the new team absorbs as much as they are willing to pay and the trading team eats eats the rest. Mayfield's contract with the Browns was an example of this.

That situation shouldn't happen with Wilson and the Broncos. This is the situation as per Spotrac:

Wilson is fully guaranteed the $124M due to be earned during the 1st 3 years of his Broncos contract. The Broncos can get out of the contract at that cost at any time up to the 5th league day of 2024, (IE before the 3rd playing season starts). At that point the Broncos will fully guarantee the $37M in Wilson's 4th year. Effectively it's $124M for 2 years with an option for 2 more years at a combined $37M. Those are the cut/keep points for non-trade options. Assuming his play doesn't fall off a cliff and there isn't a team/player rift it's 4 years at $161M. Obviously the Broncos wouldn't be paying him $124M if they traded him between years 2 & 3.

 

[eaglesnut]

That's a lot of money for a guy that short

He's no Peyton Manning

 

[LambeauLegs]

 

[DHoey]

That's a lot of money for a guy that short

He's no Peyton Manning

You have to question it when the garbage can is taller than your QB.......

 

[cdumler7]

Yes they "played" until those ages but the decline was well in advance of the retirement date, several years in fact ( which is why they retired). RW hasn't been a pocket passer and his biggest asset was being able to buy time, but that ability is pretty much gone.

The greats adjust to the struggles they are showing. Manning until his very final year had adjusted for lack of arm strength. Brady has adjusted his game throughout the years to better compensate for his body. Even Drew Brees who you say was on the decline still went 9-3 in his last year throwing 24 TD's to only 6 INT's. He still completed 70.5% of his passes, and had his 5th best QB Rating ever during his career. Over the last 4 years of his career he went to 4 Pro Bowls, finished 2nd in the MVP voting in 2018, finished top-5 in OPOY award twice, and even finished on the 2nd team All-Pro list.

Philip Rivers in his final year helped lead his team to 11-5 record, completed 68% of his throws, threw for 4,169 yards, had 24 TD's to 11 INT's, and a QB Rating of 97. That was still above his career average and was the 2nd best mark he had posted since 2013.

So this idea of them having this huge decline is overblown. Some guys yes do hit a true wall and fall off, but many of the greats still find ways to be successful and help their team to victory.