The Houston Rockets Thread

[MHSL82]

So far, the order of percentages is:

Tim Hardaway, 9-41 (21.95%)(Includes 0-17 game)
James Harden, 13-58, (22.4%) (Same streak as below)
James Harden, 10-44, (22.7%) (Same streak as below)
Hedo Torkoglu, 11-48 (22.9%)
Will Burton, 20-83 (24.1%)
James Harden, 20-82 = 24.4% (Current)
Rex Chapman, 19-78 (24.4%) (Same streak as below)
Rex Chapman, 26-102 (25.5%) (Same streak as above)
Jason Kidd, 35-133, (26.3%) (Same streak as below)
Phillip Wagner, 11-41 (26.8%)
Jason Kidd, 45-164 (27.4%) (Same streak as above)
Clifford Robinson, 21-74 (28.4%)
Dajuan Wagner (?) 24-84 (28.6%)
Latrell Sprewell, 25-84 (29.8%)
Brandon Jennings, 26-85 (30.6%)
Antoine Walker 23-67 (34.3%)

I can't count the 0-17 as the worst streak, despite 0% being the minimum because it lasted so shortly (one game). There were no play-by-plays for that game there, so I didn't see if he started the next game with a few misses, either.

Jason Kidd's streak is most impressively poor to me because of his reputation and the duration of the struggles. 164 shots is a good sample size, 17 is not. I listed him twice, as a section within the section you gave me was worse, with still a large sample size of 133 shots. Rex Chapman's streak was also interesting, I included two streaks that were in the big streak, too.

James Harden's streak is bad. If he starts out the game 0-2, he will be the worst we have so far in research with 80+ shots. He would have to start 0-10 in order to beat Hardaway's bad two games of 41 total shots. So that's the good news. He would just need to shoot 26-82 to beat Kidd's long streak or 16-51 to beat the shorter of the 2 streaks. He'd just need 7-20 to beat Chapmans, but he's been shooting worse (5-23 in one game).

 

[MHSL82]

Here are Stockton's worst streaks (most of them lasted only 2-3 games:

0-8 (0%) in '87 and '90.
1-12 (8.3%) in a '99 playoff win (14 assists and 12 points)
2-15 (13.3%) in '01.
2-14 (14.3%) in '99
3-18 (16.7%) in '97
4-22 (18.2%) in '96
3-16 (18.8%) in '99
4-21 (19.0%) in '92
4-20 (20.0%) in '01
6-29 (20.7%) in '96
5-21 (23.8%) in '03
8-32 (25.0%) in '92
4-15 (26.7%) in '98, '00, '01
6-22 (27.3%) in '93
6-21 (28.6%) in '00
8-27 (29.6%) in '00
7-22 (31.8%) in '94
9-25 (36.0%) in '02

As you can tell, Stockton never had an extended streak of bad shooting games, as his worst over 30 is 25% and the worst over 25 is 20.7%. All of the ones we have in the previous threads are 40+ shots. So if I add the game after the worst extended streak, that leads to 16-46, which is 34.8%. Or the game before the worst extended streak, it would be 14-42 (33.3%). In the 6-29 streak, he shot 11-12 right before the streak, which would make it 17-41 (41.5%) and 5-11 after the streak, which would make that 11-40 (27.5%).

Stockton shot 50% or greater in 60.4% of his games. Granted he didn't shoot a lot and a lot of the games were right at 50%. That's impressive to me. Not sure where to rank this as I haven't done this for anyone else. I imagine Shaq is higher and other centers, but for a PG, this has to be high. His best season for 50% or over games was his fourth season with 61 games meeting that criteria. His low was the lockout year at 26/50 games.

 

[nuraman00]

Wagner went 24-84 from 12-16 to 12-29:

Latrell Sprewell 2002-03 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com

So far, the order of percentages is:


Phillip Wagner, 11-41 (26.8%)

Why did you truncate Wagner's streak?

I see I provided the wrong link.

The dates are correct though.

So look from 12-16 to 12-29 and truncate how you want.

If you want to stop at 40, he would have been 10-40.

Dajuan Wagner 2002-03 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com

 

[nuraman00]

I can't count the 0-17 as the worst streak, despite 0% being the minimum because it lasted so shortly (one game).

I provided it because I thought you might want to know the worst game.

 

[nuraman00]

There are other bad streaks but it's kind of time consuming to look up a range of games and do adding and dividing for each player.

 

[MHSL82]

I provided it because I thought you might want to know the worst game.

Yep, I know, thank you. I remember that game because for some reason, I saw it. Poor guy. I wonder what his shot chart was in that game.

 

[MHSL82]

Why did you truncate Wagner's streak?

I see I provided the wrong link.

The dates are correct though.

So look from 12-16 to 12-29 and truncate how you want.

If you want to stop at 40, he would have been 10-40.

Dajuan Wagner 2002-03 Game Log | Basketball-Reference.com

I have both Wagner's there.I looked at all Wagners, because I didn't know who you were referring to, including Phillip and Dajuan. I didn't see the streak you had when I looked, rather hastily. But I see it now.

 

[MHSL82]

There are other bad streaks but it's kind of time consuming to look up a range of games and do adding and dividing for each player.

Don't worry about it, I was wondering if there was a database search for it - I looked on streak finder, but that's more for consecutive game stats like double doubles in a row, not accumulated stats like shooting. Also, they can only do 5-6 years at a time, so it would take long anyway. I could do a search for consecutive games of 18+ shots with <6 makes. Harden has a few, but I don't know if I will. Thanks for the stats you found.

 

[nuraman00]

Don't worry about it, I was wondering if there was a database search for it - I looked on streak finder, but that's more for consecutive game stats like double doubles in a row, not accumulated stats like shooting. Also, they can only do 5-6 years at a time, so it would take long anyway. I could do a search for consecutive games of 18+ shots with <6 makes. Harden has a few, but I don't know if I will. Thanks for the stats you found.

I used streak finder for FGA > 9 and FG% < .35

I initially had a higher FGA limit and lower FG% restriction, but found there weren't enough consecutive games to get 40-50 FGAs.

 

[nuraman00]

I have both Wagner's there.I looked at all Wagners, because I didn't know who you were referring to, including Phillip and Dajuan. I didn't see the streak you had when I looked, rather hastily. But I see it now.

More Dajuan Wagner Detail Than You Might Want - TrueHoop Blog - ESPN

 

[MHSL82]

I used streak finder for FGA > 9 and FG% < .35

I initially had a higher FGA limit and lower FG% restriction, but found there weren't enough consecutive games to get 40-50 FGAs.

Thanks, that makes sense, I didn't think about the shooting percent one because I didn't want a 1-1 game in the middle of a bad streak to break the cycle. But I guess, having the minimum shots at a certain level would do that anyway.

I hope you had some fun or learned something in the exercise, I hope I didn't waste your time for no benefit. I was interested in knowing how bad it can get and was hoping there would be a faster way to find bad streaks. I thought if we could just search for shots, we'd limit it to 80 shots attempted, but the way it's set out, that's too difficult for someone who doesn't do this for a living. I would love to do this for a living, but I'd be too inefficient to employ and depending on what the stats are (how deep/complex) it probably wouldn't be good pay.

 

[nuraman00]

Thanks, that makes sense, I didn't think about the shooting percent one because I didn't want a 1-1 game in the middle of a bad streak to break the cycle. But I guess, having the minimum shots at a certain level would do that anyway.

I hope you had some fun or learned something in the exercise, I hope I didn't waste your time for no benefit. I was interested in knowing how bad it can get and was hoping there would be a faster way to find bad streaks. I thought if we could just search for shots, we'd limit it to 80 shots attempted, but the way it's set out, that's too difficult for someone who doesn't do this for a living. I would love to do this for a living, but I'd be too inefficient to employ and depending on what the stats are (how deep/complex) it probably wouldn't be good pay.

How I would do it if I had time, would be:

A. Use streak finder to get the names of people who had bad shooting streaks.

B. Write a script that searches through their game logs for a season or end-of-one-season to beginning-of-one-season to calculate the worst FG% given a minimum of 40 FGAs, for that player.

That would save the tedious work of calculating FGAs, FGMs, and %.

So at the end, I could print out any streak of 40 FGAs with a FG% of less than .3, for example.

 

[MHSL82]

How I would do it if I had time, would be:

A. Use streak finder to get the names of people who had bad shooting streaks.

B. Write a script that searches through their game logs for a season or end-of-one-season to beginning-of-one-season to calculate the worst FG% given a minimum of 40 FGAs, for that player.

That would save the tedious work of calculating FGAs, FGMs, and %.

So at the end, I could print out any streak of 40 FGAs with a FG% of less than .3, for example.

Yep, looking at Kidd's stats, he probably had some bad streaks in 1996-97 and around then.

 

[nuraman00]

Daily Dime - ESPN


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MVP: Kemba Walker's team lost, but it's hard to argue him not being the best player on the court for a majority of this game. He scored a career-high 35 points on 12-for-21 shooting (6-for-7 from behind the arc) and got wherever he wanted, whenever he wanted for 39 minutes.

X factor: Patrick Beverley gave Houston 24 huge minutes and finished the game in place of Jeremy Lin. Beverley had a slew of hustle plays that allowed the Rockets to mount their comeback, and scored 10 points on 50 percent shooting.

That was ... good?: James Harden scored 29 points and attempted 21 free throws (good) … but was 5-for-20 from the floor, making him 20-for-80 in his past four games (not good).
-- Michael Pina, Red94

 

[MHSL82]

Daily Dime - ESPN

100
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Recap
94

MVP: Kemba Walker's team lost, but it's hard to argue him not being the best player on the court for a majority of this game. He scored a career-high 35 points on 12-for-21 shooting (6-for-7 from behind the arc) and got wherever he wanted, whenever he wanted for 39 minutes.

X factor: Patrick Beverley gave Houston 24 huge minutes and finished the game in place of Jeremy Lin. Beverley had a slew of hustle plays that allowed the Rockets to mount their comeback, and scored 10 points on 50 percent shooting.

That was ... good?: James Harden scored 29 points and attempted 21 free throws (good) … but was 5-for-20 from the floor, making him 20-for-80 in his past four games (not good).
-- Michael Pina, Red94

Cool, someone else finally noted this in a game recap. Not that I dislike Harden, it's the offense I think. It's too prone to streakiness. But that should be game to game, not sure why it's lasted 8 games now.

 

[MHSL82]

Dang it! Harden ended the streak. He went 8-17 in a loss. I wanted him to go 4-24 just so I could add to my list. Oh well, he could always start another one.

Denver Nuggets vs. Houston Rockets

 

[MHSL82]

Dang it! Harden ended the streak. He went 8-17 in a loss. I wanted him to go 4-24 just so I could add to my list. Oh well, he could always start another one.

Denver Nuggets vs. Houston Rockets

I must note in terms of fairness. Harden has now shot 43-86 (50%) in the 6 games since that streak. And the 7 games prior to that streak, he was shooting, 64-130 (49.2%). (49.5% in the 5 games prior to the streak.)

I just wanted a record. I don't know the record, but if he had gone four or so more games like that, I would have declared him the winner (or loser). Apparently, his bad shooting was a strike for not getting voted into the All-Star Game. He ended that when he was named a reserve.

 

[MHSL82]

A. Lot. Of. Threes. They shot much better from three (57%) than from two (45%). They at one point were shooting 77% from three. It might have been higher (not including 1/1 or 2/2, etc.) but I wasn't looking the whole game. The box score was close to my parameters, except again, one guy.

 

[MHSL82]

Jeremy Lin had a great game tonight. Most of it was before true garbage time (the last 8 points were, though). Some of it was in pseudo-garbage time, as in comebackable. In their defense, they were up so much by the half. He had the great game because of his opponent and being home, he rooted for the Warriors growing up.

In the last 1 games, he's averaging 28 points and 9 assists on 62.5% shooting. (For those who don't know me, this is a joke; I know one game isn't something to treat like a steak.)

 

[nuraman00]

Houston finally played a few west coast teams, the past few weeks. But I either wasn't able to watch, or I wasn't paying attention.

For example, I would have watched the Houston-Portland game after Bulls-Jazz, but then the ESPN ticker ruined the score, so I didn't want to watch anymore.

And I wasn't able to watch any games yesterday, in which I could have seen Houston play.