Ongoing NHL Thread Part IV - A New Hope

[jstewismybastardson]

Geez, the Flames lost that trade with the Canucks, I'm hearing Granlund might play with the Sedins this season.

Im hearing he played with them last season lol

 

[jstewismybastardson]

waiver wire last couple days littered with former canucks "prospects" lol

 

[Nasty_Magician]

Well this might explain how teams gameplan against him in the playoffs.

 

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Is Ryan Suter a top 50 player in the NHL? Sure, he's one of the highest paid players in the league, but I also think he's one of the most overrated players in the league. Full list of the top 50 can be found by clicking on the link below.

A new No. 1: McDavid edges Crosby in TSN's Top 50 player poll - Article - TSN

 

[Eco]

Is Ryan Suter a top 50 player in the NHL? Sure, he's one of the highest paid players in the league, but I also think he's one of the most overrated players in the league. Full list of the top 50 can be found by clicking on the link below.

A new No. 1: McDavid edges Crosby in TSN's Top 50 player poll - Article - TSN

OEL is still underrated IMO>

 

[BGDave]

OEL is still underrated IMO>

For his sake, he needs to be moved to the centre of the hockey universe. He will get his due then.

 

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Hey @Nasty_Magician

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Is Ryan Suter a top 50 player in the NHL? Sure, he's one of the highest paid players in the league, but I also think he's one of the most overrated players in the league. Full list of the top 50 can be found by clicking on the link below.

A new No. 1: McDavid edges Crosby in TSN's Top 50 player poll - Article - TSN

I actually think Suter's underrated because people just look at his contract.

Just gonna re-post this from earlier this year:

I'd personally go Keith for a d-man from this era but besides the lack of playoff success (which is overlooked for Ovie so why not him as well) Suter is a pretty good choice. He's 8th in scoring among defencemen in the past decade and among the top 10 on that list he has by far the lowest even-strength goals against while averaging the most ice time.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I also read a lot into how far Weber dropped from last year to this one considering how many guys in his division were all “thank god we don’t have to play against him 5 times a year now”. The guys in the east just kinda shrugged their shoulders and skated past his lumbering ass, I guess.

 

[dash]

I actually think Suter's underrated because people just look at his contract.

But isn't that part of the equation though BBB?!? You get paid that much money and I think you'd better be more of a difference maker than Suter is - That 7.5 million cap hit extends until the 2024-25 season and he's 32 now, yeesh.

 

[KennyBanyeah]

I also read a lot into how far Weber dropped from last year to this one considering how many guys in his division were all “thank god we don’t have to play against him 5 times a year now”. The guys in the east just kinda shrugged their shoulders and skated past his lumbering ass, I guess.

Yeah, if we're talking about a D who doesn't belong in the top 50 and has a ludicrous contract I'm going with Weber over Suter. I don't think Shea's game is going to age well. At all.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

But isn't that part of the equation though BBB?!? You get paid that much money and I think you'd better be more of a difference maker than Suter is - That 7.5 million cap hit extends until the 2024-25 season and he's 32 now, yeesh.

Well is the argument he isn’t a top 50 player (as ranked by the players themselves, btw) or that he’s on a bad contract? Brian Campbell had a dumpy contract but was still one of the better defensive d-men in the league during his time in both Chicago and Florida.

Need to separate the player from the salary - players don’t offer themselves money.

 

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Well is the argument he isn’t a top 50 player (as ranked by the players themselves, btw) or that he’s on a bad contract? Brian Campbell had a dumpy contract but was still one of the better defensive d-men in the league during his time in both Chicago and Florida.

Need to separate the player from the salary - players don’t offer themselves money.

My take is that he's not a top 50 player in the league which is accentuated by being on a bad contract. Heck, as far as defensemen are concerned, there are several in the league that I would take over Suter, including Cam Fowler and Hampus Lindholm of the Ducks, Ryan Ellis of the Preds, and Giordano and Brodie in Calgary.

But hey, it's a player's poll and they would know better than me, he just looks pretty meh to me whenever I watch the Wild play.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

My take is that he's not a top 50 player in the league which is accentuated by being on a bad contract. Heck, as far as defensemen are concerned, there are several in the league that I would take over Suter, including Cam Fowler and Hampus Lindholm of the Ducks, Ryan Ellis of the Preds, and Giordano and Brodie in Calgary.

But hey, it's a player's poll and they would know better than me, he just looks pretty meh to me whenever I watch the Wild play.

Offensively, I probably take all those guys you named save Hampus and Ellis over Suter but defensively I can't say other than Giordano I would take any of them over Suter. Assuming that the majority of guys who responded to the poll were forwards I'd say they likely think his defensive skill more than makes up for any offensive shortcomings (not that there really are any - I'll take a D-man who's averaged 43 pts/82 games the past 3 years any day.

Then again, players out west thought Shea Weber was the boogeyman and the eastern dudes just chuckled and skated around him. Suter would probably be just as laughable in the mighty east.

 

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The Devils have released Tim Erixon from his PTO...

See ya later, #53

 

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[Bloody Brian Burke]

Unless he’s received US citizenship during his career, he shouldn’t do it. It’s one thing if it’s your flag/anthem, completely another if it’s a country you’re a guest in.

 

[tducey]

Suter is one of the best defensive defensemen in the league IMO. Not sure if he's a top 50 player in the league right now though.

 

[dash]

This should make him even faster, right?

 

[dash]

Unless he’s received US citizenship during his career, he shouldn’t do it. It’s one thing if it’s your flag/anthem, completely another if it’s a country you’re a guest in.

Would he take a knee for both the American and Canadian anthem? I mean, Joel himself has stated that he has experienced racism in both countries. Can you imagine the reaction from Grapes?