Lakers Vs Warriors Game

[DJ]

Sweet Lou was going off last night.

 

[DJ]

Football is almost over.....I'll be a lot more active once the season is complete.

 

[DJ]

[QUO isTE="trojanfan12, post: 7824625, member: 4091"]Exactly. Part of being a professional athlete is learning to be ready to play at all times. That includes being a starter, coming off the bench, etc. It's also about learning to play with everyone on your team whether starter or not.

No one was happy with the amount of playing time some of the youngsters, particularly Russell and Randle were getting earlier in the season. However, over the past few weeks, we have seen all of the young guys playing a lot more and Russell and Randle are playing near starters minutes. As @lakersrule pointed out, they are getting end of game experience too.

I get not being particularly happy with Byron, I don't think any of us are thinking he's the next Phil. But anyone who thinks Russell and Randle aren't playing, not only isn't watching games, they aren't even looking at box scores.

Here is my take: If there was a better coach available I would agree about dumping Scott but there isn't so what would be the point. It's a process that takes time and Scott has a proven record in developing talent so I I say give the dude a chanzcw[/QUOTE]

I agree. You don't just fire him to fire him......you have to have a good candidate ready to step in.

Bottom line....he isn't getting fired before the end of the season and they can properly evaluate the season in it's entirety. They have been a lot more comeptitive lately.

 

[trojanfan12]

Here is my take: If there was a better coach available I would agree about dumping Scott but there isn't so what would be the point. It's a process that takes time and Scott has a proven record in developing talent so I I say give the dude a chanzcw

Why are you yelling?

 

[True Lakers Fan]

Why are you yelling?

I don't know why my font size came out like that. That was not the intention

 

[tomodach10]

Players need to know what it's like to start and come off the bench. If you had any basketball experience you'd know that. Scott is rotating the roster so Nance Jr and occasionally Brown get starting experience too. And through this Nance has become a top 10 rookie this year.

Seriously, why the fuck are you even here?

It is not a requirement to learn how to come off the bench. Well you seem like you know so much about sitting the bench. For starters like I was, you hate sitting on bench. Russell and Randle and any other competitors want to start and finish a game. You learn by playing with kobe.

 

[trojanfan12]

For starters like I was,

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

For starters like I was...

In what, Junior Varsity badminton? Cos it sure wasn't basketball!

Player rotation teaches discipline, patience and team building. Kobe started his first two seasons off the bench - did that affect his career?

 

[wildturkey]

In what, Junior Varsity badminton? Cos it sure wasn't basketball!

Player rotation teaches discipline, patience and team building. Kobe started his first two seasons off the bench - did that affect his career?

Not the best example. Kobe was on a good team, that actually had justification. When your team sucks, there's no reason not to play your younger guys to develop. Live game action is far more valuable because teams don't actually get as much practice time in season as one might think due to travel, etc. They learn thru trial by fire and get game film of themselves to study on flights and at the facilities. Whatever vets you have can actually point things out to them live in game. That's why it was so ridiculous Scott spent half the year jerking Russell, Randle, Brown etc minutes around for no real reason other than the cliched "old school". Hell, it's only been like a 2 week thing that he's finally adjusted his sub pattern to leave Russell and Clarkson in the game together. You'd think that would be a main objective seeing that is very likely to be LA's backcourt of the future and they have to make a decision on how much to pay Clarkson at season's end (or even if they want to keep him). So you want them to be together as much as possible to get a solid evaluation but its taken until January for that to even start in full. He did the same stupid shit with Jordan Clarkson last year, burying him on the bench playing guys like Ronnie Fucking Price over him. Clarkson didn't get significant PT until this time last year when Scott literally had no choice when injuries to almost every guard forced Clarkson into the lineup. Although considering exactly who the head coach is, maybe its for the best though. Less playing time means less bad habits that Scott can drill into them because his team is a total mess on both sides of the ball. It's amazing that a defensive "specialist" continues to field teams that are so clueless you can't even pick up a resemblance of a functional strategy

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Not the best example. Kobe was on a good team, that actually had justification. When your team sucks, there's no reason not to play your younger guys to develop. Live game action is far more valuable because teams don't actually get as much practice time in season as one might think due to travel, etc. They learn thru trial by fire and get game film of themselves to study on flights and at the facilities. Whatever vets you have can actually point things out to them live in game. That's why it was so ridiculous Scott spent half the year jerking Russell, Randle, Brown etc minutes around for no real reason other than the cliched "old school". Hell, it's only been like a 2 week thing that he's finally adjusted his sub pattern to leave Russell and Clarkson in the game together. You'd think that would be a main objective seeing that is very likely to be LA's backcourt of the future and they have to make a decision on how much to pay Clarkson at season's end (or even if they want to keep him). So you want them to be together as much as possible to get a solid evaluation but its taken until January for that to even start in full. He did the same stupid shit with Jordan Clarkson last year, burying him on the bench playing guys like Ronnie Fucking Price over him. Clarkson didn't get significant PT until this time last year when Scott literally had no choice when injuries to almost every guard forced Clarkson into the lineup. Although considering exactly who the head coach is, maybe its for the best though. Less playing time means less bad habits that Scott can drill into them because his team is a total mess on both sides of the ball. It's amazing that a defensive "specialist" continues to field teams that are so clueless you can't even pick up a resemblance of a functional strategy

Just because a player is a high draft pick doesn't mean they're automatically a starter. Just look what happened to the likes of Greg Oden and Adam Morrison in recent years for example. Development means coming off the bench too. Unless you're a star before coming into the league i.e. Jordan or Lebron, nothing should be guaranteed. Common sense says a more experienced and proven player should get the nod before a rookie, hence starting Lou Williams over Russell. Now that we're coming up to the halfway point in the season it's time to start bumping up the minutes - which is exactly what Scott is doing.

And the 1996 Lakers weren't exactly championship material yet. With the amount of praise Kobe got during workouts he should have been given more than 14 minutes per game. Scott is developing Russell and Randle better than Del Harris did to Kobe.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Additionally, Jordan Clarkson is the team leader in minutes, and Russell and Randle are 4th and 5th in minutes - only behind Kobe and Williams.

It looks like Scott is giving the Kids plenty of playing time!

 

[Retroram52]

Now if can just get Sacre and Kelly off the bench. lol! Just kidding...

 

[trojanfan12]

Just because a player is a high draft pick doesn't mean they're automatically a starter. Just look what happened to the likes of Greg Oden and Adam Morrison in recent years for example. Development means coming off the bench too. Unless you're a star before coming into the league i.e. Jordan or Lebron, nothing should be guaranteed. Common sense says a more experienced and proven player should get the nod before a rookie, hence starting Lou Williams over Russell. Now that we're coming up to the halfway point in the season it's time to start bumping up the minutes - which is exactly what Scott is doing.

And the 1996 Lakers weren't exactly championship material yet. With the amount of praise Kobe got during workouts he should have been given more than 14 minutes per game. Scott is developing Russell and Randle better than Del Harris did to Kobe.

Agree. Also, young players can learn a lot by watching. It gives them a chance to see what is happening on the floor before they have to actually be involved in the action. Also, it's looking like they are getting closer to starting. Scott has said he likes what he's seeing and that they are getting close. I'd expect they'll be starting by shortly before or after the all-star break if things keep moving like they are.

 

[trojanfan12]

Additionally, Jordan Clarkson is the team leader in minutes, and Russell and Randle are 4th and 5th in minutes - only behind Kobe and Williams.

It looks like Scott is giving the Kids plenty of playing time!

I'm beginning to wonder if some of these guys are actually watching the games. Anyone who has actually been watching knows that they are getting plenty of playing time.

Even more important, he is keeping them in at the end of close games. One year when I was coaching high school basketball, before the season started several of my players were asking me about who would be starting. I told them they shouldn't be worrying about starting, they should be worrying about finishing. They looked at me kind of confused and I told them, the guys that are finishing games are the guys I trust the most.

They never asked about who was starting again.

 

[wildturkey]

Just because a player is a high draft pick doesn't mean they're automatically a starter. Just look what happened to the likes of Greg Oden and Adam Morrison in recent years for example. Development means coming off the bench too. Unless you're a star before coming into the league i.e. Jordan or Lebron, nothing should be guaranteed. Common sense says a more experienced and proven player should get the nod before a rookie, hence starting Lou Williams over Russell. Now that we're coming up to the halfway point in the season it's time to start bumping up the minutes - which is exactly what Scott is doing.

And the 1996 Lakers weren't exactly championship material yet. With the amount of praise Kobe got during workouts he should have been given more than 14 minutes per game. Scott is developing Russell and Randle better than Del Harris did to Kobe.

So you pick out two of the biggest draft busts of the last decade as your examples? Child please. Get that weak sauce outta here faster than a Mutombo blocked shot. You want common sense? Common sense isn't playing Lou Williams heavy minutes chasing meaningless victories. What does that accomplish? NOTHING. Lou Williams is a finished product. He'll never be anything more than a scorer best used as 6th man because he lacks the defensive skills to be a starter. That's been shown over his entire career. All you're doing is padding his career stats while someone else can get valuable development time. It makes no sense to play him 35 minutes chasing meaningless wins while Russell gets in the 20s or less than that. It's stupid and shortsighted. Scott goes half the season bumbling along this path and when he finally starts doing what he's suppose to be doing, people like you and trojan are all "look, see, he's doing it. He's fine", like he's suppose to get credit for finally doing the right thing and that totally absolves him of his shitty decision making. Like nothing in the 1st half of the season ever happened because if you watch the games now, they might play 20 minutes a game. Please. You guys need to stop trying to justify poor decisions just because its your team and you'll defend whatever course of action they take. Take your homerism blinders off for a second and you'll see Byron Scott flat out sucks at everything whether its strategy, game management, or roster management. Scott goes half a season before doing a main objective of this season and you guys are acting like that's ok. Unreal.

Agree. Also, young players can learn a lot by watching. It gives them a chance to see what is happening on the floor before they have to actually be involved in the action. Also, it's looking like they are getting closer to starting. Scott has said he likes what he's seeing and that they are getting close. I'd expect they'll be starting by shortly before or after the all-star break if things keep moving like they are.

You know what the best way to learn from watching is? Watching game film of YOURSELF in the game.

 

[trojanfan12]

You know what the best way to learn from watching is? Watching game film of YOURSELF in the game.

Not everyone learns the same way. There are many ways to learn and what is best for one, isn't necessarily the best way for someone else.

You learn from playing, you learn from watching others (both on film and in person), you learn from watching film of yourself, you learn from talking to other players, having them show you things and stealing bits of their game. The Lakers young players are experiencing all of those things and it will help them in the future.

We all get it. You think Scott is and idiot and you think you know everything there is to know about basketball. Why don't you quit wasting your time trying to teach all of us dunces about the game and go talk to Jeanie about making you the head coach?

 

[wildturkey]

Not everyone learns the same way. There are many ways to learn and what is best for one, isn't necessarily the best way for someone else.

You learn from playing, you learn from watching others (both on film and in person), you learn from watching film of yourself, you learn from talking to other players, having them show you things and stealing bits of their game. The Lakers young players are experiencing all of those things and it will help them in the future.

We all get it. You think Scott is and idiot and you think you know everything there is to know about basketball. Why don't you quit wasting your time trying to teach all of us dunces about the game and go talk to Jeanie about making you the head coach?

Going down that path again, eh? Please. At least I'm not a hypocrite that brings up HS coaching stories to validate his post while a few posts prior he's laughing at @tomodach10 for saying he was a starter when he played basketball. Byron Scott is not a good coach. The guy has taken a team with more talent than last year and they're worse by every margin (which hard to do considering how awful last year's roster was). You, and everyone else thought they'd be better, at least in the 30s for win totals (myself included). It was a perfectly reasonable assumption. Bass, Hibbert, Williams are better players than Hill, Ellington, and the washed up corpse of Carlos Boozer. The young guys are all more talented than D-League level talents like Ronnie Price or Jabari Parker. Old man with no legs Kobe Bryant is still better than No Kobe Bryant. Yet the team is awful. They aren't even close to getting that mark that we all thought they'd hit. They are on pace to be the worst Lakers team ever, a clueless mess on both ends of the floor and to once again be at the very bottom of the league in team rankings for both sides of the ball. A coach worth even the tiniest bit of merit wouldn't be that much of a disaster. There would be some signs of improvement both quantitative and subjective. There isn't. It all points the opposite way. But somehow, despite all the evidence in front of you or anyone else here that still clings to the notion of Scott being a good coach, you still say he's doing an ok job. Here's what's really up. You know Scott sucks, you're just too stubborn and prideful to admit you could be wrong. You'll cling to the smallest twig you can find to avoid it. If and when (more likely when) Scott is fired at the end of the season, I'm sure you'll find some reason it didn't work out that tries to cover up the stench that Scott stinks as a coach. When Scott was hired, I told all of you this was the most likely route of what would happen because I don't think he's a good coach based on what I've seen throughout his coaching career. Most of you were willing to give him a chance and/or thought he was good. That's fine. Difference of opinion that would bear itself out. But now that its come to pass and you're still clinging to that? Maybe you are dunces.

 

[trojanfan12]

Going down that path again, eh? Please. At least I'm not a hypocrite that brings up HS coaching stories to validate his post while a few posts prior he's laughing at @tomodach10 for saying he was a starter when he played basketball. Byron Scott is not a good coach. The guy has taken a team with more talent than last year and they're worse by every margin (which hard to do considering how awful last year's roster was). You, and everyone else thought they'd be better, at least in the 30s for win totals (myself included). It was a perfectly reasonable assumption. Bass, Hibbert, Williams are better players than Hill, Ellington, and the washed up corpse of Carlos Boozer. The young guys are all more talented than D-League level talents like Ronnie Price or Jabari Parker. Old man with no legs Kobe Bryant is still better than No Kobe Bryant. Yet the team is awful. They aren't even close to getting that mark that we all thought they'd hit. They are on pace to be the worst Lakers team ever, a clueless mess on both ends of the floor and to once again be at the very bottom of the league in team rankings for both sides of the ball. A coach worth even the tiniest bit of merit wouldn't be that much of a disaster. There would be some signs of improvement both quantitative and subjective. There isn't. It all points the opposite way. But somehow, despite all the evidence in front of you or anyone else here that still clings to the notion of Scott being a good coach, you still say he's doing an ok job. Here's what's really up. You know Scott sucks, you're just too stubborn and prideful to admit you could be wrong. You'll cling to the smallest twig you can find to avoid it. If and when (more likely when) Scott is fired at the end of the season, I'm sure you'll find some reason it didn't work out that tries to cover up the stench that Scott stinks as a coach. When Scott was hired, I told all of you this was the most likely route of what would happen because I don't think he's a good coach based on what I've seen throughout his coaching career. Most of you were willing to give him a chance and/or thought he was good. That's fine. Difference of opinion that would bear itself out. But now that its come to pass and you're still clinging to that? Maybe you are dunces.

 

[wildturkey]

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Get called out. Can't take the heat. Post funny gif to hide behind.

 

[trojanfan12]

Get called out. Can't take the heat. Post funny gif to hide behind.

Everyone is sick of your know it all bullshit. Like I said, go talk to Jeanie and let her know you can fix the Lakers. Your incredible basketball acumen is being wasted here.