FOX is talking about Belichek being the best in history

[NEPatsfan]

Best at what?

Crabcakes. BB's are AMAZING! Must have been all those years he spent breaking down game film at the Naval Academy for his Dad.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Hence my point about Walsh.

The broader point is they all have help somewhere along the line, and that help is nearly always what is used to bring them down in peoples opinions.

Not me I always was in awe of those guys and you can have all the talent in the world, but you still have to coral all those personalities. That's what BB does so well, they don;t talk about of school and no their rules. 'Just do your job"

 

[Rex Racer]

Lombardi, Landry, Shula, Parcells, Grant, Noll, etc. Recent years I'd go with Coughlin as he never loses to him when it matters.

I just knew you'd put Bud grant in there

Tom Landry was great and for a long time, but he was nothing without Roger Staubach.

Lombardi was nothing without Bart Starr

Shula is a dewshbag.

Parcells, 2 SB wins with Belichick as his DC. Parcells, 0'fer without Belichick

Noll is nothing without Terry Bradshaw

Coughlin is slightly better than a .500 coach that got lucky in a couple of SBs

Belichick has a .668 career winning percentage, .737% in NE and he has been to eight SB's collecting 5 rings.

 

[Rex Racer]

Every great coach that has sustained success has seen controversy follow them. It's based on jealousy. See Red Auerbach.

Whatsa matter, you don't like 120 degree locker rooms and cold showers?

 

[HammerDown]

The fact that BB can consistently game plan to overcome Brady's woeful deficiencies speaks to his greatness.

 

[Ricky Roma]

Lets start with Parcells, shall we? Lets see now, if I recall correctly he won a SB as the Giants headcoach via defense. I wonder who authored the game plan for that game, and is now in the Hall of Fame. Hmmm let me think a second. Maybe you can help?

That gameplan being in the HOF is a complete joke. The Giants offensive gameplan against the Bills deserves to be there if anything (and it doesn't) since they controlled the clock for 41 minutes. The Bills had the ball for only 19 minutes, still racked up 370+ yards and could've easily won on that FG.

I don't care one way or another about Billy Belly, but noting that specific gameplan is laughable.

 

[GNG]

He's a good coach, but he's looked like a genius because of Brady ...

He had a 36-44 record over four seasons as Cleveland head coach from 1991-1995.

 

[GNG]

Lombardi coached in an era where you could hoard players, so you have to weight his success a bit. And Walsh had the benefit of Hall of Fame QB play as well. (By the way the WCO was by Don Coryell, not Bill Wash)

Nonsense.... Vince Lombardi took charge of a team that was woefully bad for over a decade and led them to 5 NFL Championships in 9 years. There is a reason the SB trophy was renamed the Lombardi trophy.

 

[tducey]

He's up there, not the best but he's one of the top of all time.

 

[Rex Racer]

Nonsense.... Vince Lombardi took charge of a team that was woefully bad for over a decade and led them to 5 NFL Championships in 9 years. There is a reason the SB trophy was renamed the Lombardi trophy.

No free agency and no salary cap in those days and because of that it is not realistic to compare the eras to each other.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

He had a 36-44 record over four seasons as Cleveland head coach from 1991-1995.

Yeah but did he have total control of the franchise with personnel ? I remember Pete Caroll saying he would never coach again without having total control of personnel ... Having someone above you making the draft picks can derail you pretty quickly...

 

[GNG]

Yeah but did he have total control of the franchise with personnel ? I remember Pete Caroll saying he would never coach again without having total control of personnel ... Having someone above you making the draft picks can derail you pretty quickly...

Not many teams have the head coach determine the picks without consulting with the GM.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Not many teams have the head coach determine the picks without consulting with the GM.

Yeah I"m sure they consult, but some coaches in the league have total control of personnel, final say anyway...

 

[NEPatsfan]

Nonsense.... Vince Lombardi took charge of a team that was woefully bad for over a decade and led them to 5 NFL Championships in 9 years. There is a reason the SB trophy was renamed the Lombardi trophy.

And what does that have to do with what I pointed out?

 

[GNG]

No free agency and no salary cap in those days and because of that it is not realistic to compare the eras to each other.

There is more money in today's NFL. Back in those days teams struggled to turn a profit.

 

[gohusk]

Flippin Walsh is the best coach I've ever seen. He innovated the league and would have had 4 Super Bowls if he stuck around 1 more year. I could have coached that 4th super bowl team that Seifert got. BB was a great defensive mind but let's face it, it's Brady that runs that offense. Then there's Joe Gibbs who won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QB's.

 

[gohusk]

Flippin Walsh is the best coach I've ever seen. He innovated the league and would have had 4 Super Bowls if he stuck around 1 more year. I could have coached that 4th super bowl team that Seifert got. BB was a great defensive mind but let's face it, it's Brady that runs that offense. Then there's Joe Gibbs who won 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QB's.

Sorry, I missed the fact that Gibbs had 3 different starting RB's as well. Nobody talks about him but he was an awesome coach.

 

[NEPatsfan]

So to sum up the current discussion.


If we are talking about all time greatest coaches, when it comes to BB it's all because of Brady.

If we are talking about all time greatest QB's when it comes to Brady it's all because of BB and his "system".

Amirite?

 

[kcden]

If I had to pick a coach that I have any familiarity with out of history, BB would be my choice...

 

[Delphic1]

I hate the Pats, but Belichick is one of the best if not the best coach in the NFL so far.