Are there too many divisions in the NFL?

[DirtDirtDirt]

Didn't read.

I'll post it on your Facebook

 

[DonMan]

I understand your love of the Pats and could appreciate it, so I wouldnt expect you to agree that it is a serious problem that most teams could start 0-2 and start worrying about their postseason chances, and the Pats could start 0-7 and still win the AFC East

Howevah, how the Pats play against the rest of the league is not evidence that they would fare as well, that they would be guaranteed Homefield advantage every single season, if they had to deal with the weekly grind of a tough division, rather than having 5 or 6 virtual bye weeks....There is a trickle effect of when you barely break a sweat within your division, how well and how fresh you can be against other opponents, in comparison to other teams

Thanks for your time

too bad the facts don't support your version of reality.
In the past 10 seasons, the Pats regular season record is 126-34, with a winning percentage of roughly 79%.
In those 10 seasons, their division record has been 6-0 (twice) , 5-1 (twice), and 4-2 (six times) . Their winning percentage within their division is also roughly 79%.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

too bad the facts don't support your version of reality.
In the past 10 seasons, the Pats regular season record is 126-34, with a winning percentage of roughly 79%.
In those 10 seasons, their division record has been 6-0 (twice) , 5-1 (twice), and 4-2 (six times) . Their winning percentage within their division is also roughly 79%.

So they've absolutely eviscerated the shitty teams in their division

I think we agree

 

[Ojb81]

Bitch, suck a bag of dicks, i just broke down the real deal for ya

You broke down a make-believe scenario that you could never prove one way or another. You're a fucking idiot

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

You broke down a make-believe scenario that you could never prove one way or another. You're a fucking idiot

As I said, I wouldn't expect a Pats fan to agree with that

I'm reluctant to agree with Giants criticism

Pats are a great team, but to suggest that them getting Homefield most years isn't greatly attributable to the non competitive teams in their division, that's just crazy talk

 

[DonMan]

So they've absolutely eviscerated the shitty teams in their division

I think we agree

No, I don't think so. The Pat's record against their division is essentially the same is their overall record. Your claim that the Pats do well in the regular season because they beat up on their division rivals isn't supported by the facts. A more plausible conclusion would be that the Pat's division rivals tend to do poorly in the regular season because they have to play the Pats twice a year.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

No, I don't think so. The Pat's record against their division is essentially the same is their overall record. Your claim that the Pats do well in the regular season because they beat up on their division rivals isn't supported by the facts. A more plausible conclusion would be that the Pat's division rivals tend to do poorly in the regular season because they have to play the Pats twice a year.

That would make a ton of sense If those teams beat up on the rest of the league, amd weren't perennial sub 500 teams

 

[eaglesnut]

6x5 was much better than this 8x4 bullshit.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Leave the shit alone. My OCD would explode without the divisible symmetry.

I would change a couple of the divisions that teams were in, but 8 by 4 is perfect for 32 teams.

I would like to see divisions more staggered by region more so, instead of just because of the rivalry.

I would just make 5 moves (3) - AFC - (2) NFC.

Baltimore to the AFC East
Miami to the AFC South
Indianapolis to the AFC North

Dallas to the NFC South
Carolina to the NFC East

Make it more regional with teams out of place currently due to "rivalries".

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Leave the shit alone. My OCD would explode without the divisible symmetry.

I would change a couple of the divisions that teams were in, but 8 by 4 is perfect for 32 teams.

I would like to see divisions more staggered by region more so, instead of just because of the rivalry.

I would just make 5 moves (3) - AFC - (2) NFC.

Baltimore to the AFC East
Miami to the AFC South
Indianapolis to the AFC North

Dallas to the NFC South
Carolina to the NFC East

Make it more regional with teams out of place currently due to "rivalries".

Agree...MIA makes no sense in the AFCE logistically, or DAL in the NFCE, but Jones will never let go of the north east ties.

Having 8 DIVs does lend itself every so often of a 8-8 or 9-7 DIV winner hosting a playoff game but for the most part I'm not trying to change a whole lot.

Say you get transferred to DAL and you like the Bengals, you should be able to buy the Bengals games that are not normally being shown in DAL without buying a season long pass for all 32 teams.

The NFL is saying spend $250 or whatever on the Sun NFL tkt or tough shit...stupid.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Agree...MIA makes no sense in the AFCE logistically, or DAL in the NFCE, but Jones will never let go of the north east ties.

Having 8 DIVs does lend itself every so often of a 8-8 or 9-7 DIV winner hosting a playoff game but for the most part I'm not trying to change a whole lot.

Say you get transferred to DAL and you like the Bengals, you should be able to buy the Bengals games that are not normally being shown in DAL without buying a season long pass for all 32 teams.

The NFL is saying spend $250 or whatever on the Sun NFL tkt or tough shit...stupid.

I agree 100% with this, but I will take it a step further. Television in general (cable) should be al-a-cart per station. I watch 15 tv channels total. Why should I have to pay for the top end cable subscription just to get my one extra channel?

I want ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW, AMC, FX, Science Channel, FSN-Ohio, ESPN, MLB Network, NFL Network, Hallmark (for the wife), Nick (for the kids) and Boomerang (for the kids and me once in a while) which is in the highest tier.

At $2.50 a channel / month....I have to pay a premium per channel al-a-cart, but I get everything I want for $37.50/month + Taxes and equipment. I know most all television is own by 7-9 networks, and they will not want to divide their stuff up, but you can pay for the works to get a better price per channel like we currently do. I see no reason why tv can't be broken up like this, as the cable provider just has a list of subscribed channels for that network and they pay them accordingly per subscription.

Same with Sirius XM radio. I listen to two channels, why should I have to pay $20 bucks a month to listen to 2 channels only?

 

[sonnyblack65]

Most divisions have fluctuation and competitive balance, but we could call this the "Patriot" change, cause it's a bit silly that you can pencil them into the SB almost every season because the Dolphins/Jets and Bills are their main competition

I just looked up Brady's regular season record vs all the divisions.

AFCE 71-19 79%
AFCN 24-5 83%
AFCS 23-5 82%
AFCW 18-12 60%
NFCE 13-3 81%
NFCN 14-2 87%
NFCS 9-3 75%
NFCW 10-5 66%

So the AFCW Denver and KC are his biggest competition and 2 div in the AFC and 2 in the NFC they fair better than the weak AFCE

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I just looked up Brady's regular season record vs all the divisions.

AFCE 71-19 79%
AFCN 24-5 83%
AFCS 23-5 82%
AFCW 18-12 60%
NFCE 13-3 81%
NFCN 14-2 87%
NFCS 9-3 75%
NFCW 10-5 66%

So the AFCW Denver and KC are his biggest competition and 2 div in the AFC and 2 in the NFC they fair better than the weak AFCE

We've provided @DirtDirtDirt these numbers multiple times. His bias against everything NE just won't allow him to see it. For him it's much easier to talk nonesense. That's what he does and he's very very good at it.

 

[sonnyblack65]

We've provided @DirtDirtDirt these numbers multiple times. His bias against everything NE just won't allow him to see it. For him it's much easier to talk nonesense. That's what he does and he's very very good at it.

Not biased towards NE just mad that Brady gets the credit more than his ex DC Belichick. BB couldn't win in the AFCE before Brady, lost the Div in 08 when Brady was out and missed playoffs and went 1-1 vs AFCE last year w/o Brady one being a shutout at home to Buffalo??? BB is 4-3 vs Buffalo w/o Brady and 30 -5 w/o TB

 

[soxfan1468927]

That would make a ton of sense If those teams beat up on the rest of the league, amd weren't perennial sub 500 teams

Already been debunked.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

We've provided @DirtDirtDirt these numbers multiple times. His bias against everything NE just won't allow him to see it. For him it's much easier to talk nonesense. That's what he does and he's very very good at it.

Youre completely and utterly full of shit

"Dirt doesnt like the Pats" is your response to everything

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Not biased towards NE just mad that Brady gets the credit more than his ex DC Belichick. BB couldn't win in the AFCE before Brady, lost the Div in 08 when Brady was out and missed playoffs and went 1-1 vs AFCE last year w/o Brady one being a shutout at home to Buffalo??? BB is 4-3 vs Buffalo w/o Brady and 30 -5 w/o TB

Everyone in and around the NFL thinks Belichick is best or no worse than 2nd best HC of all time

Ill go with that over the Sonny Black and no one else opinion

 

[soxfan1468927]

That would make a ton of sense If those teams beat up on the rest of the league, amd weren't perennial sub 500 teams

Since 2002, here are the AFC East ranks in terms of the out of division records for the 2-4 place teams:

2016: 3rd
2015: 1st
2014: 5th
2013: 3rd
2012: 5th
2011: 4th
2010: 2nd
2009: 4th
2008: 2nd
2007: 8th
2006: 1st
2005: 6th
2004: 1st
2003: 1st
2002: 1st

Average ranking: 3rd

Total wins by the 2nd-4th place teams in the AFC: 213, 1st in the NFL

AFC East: 213
NFC East: 211
AFC North: 208
NFC South: 200
AFC West: 196
AFC South: 194
NFC North: 190
NFC West: 167

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Since 2002, here are the AFC East ranks in terms of the out of division records for the 2-4 place teams:

2016: 3rd
2015: 1st
2014: 5th
2013: 3rd
2012: 5th
2011: 4th
2010: 2nd
2009: 4th
2008: 2nd
2007: 8th
2006: 1st
2005: 6th
2004: 1st
2003: 1st
2002: 1st

Average ranking: 3rd

Total wins by the 2nd-4th place teams in the AFC: 213, 1st in the NFL

AFC East: 213
NFC East: 211
AFC North: 208
NFC South: 200
AFC West: 196
AFC South: 194
NFC North: 190
NFC West: 167

Im not even being a wise ass, but how is it that they have less postseason appearances than any other division in the NFL in that time span? It cant just be the loss (or 2) to the Pats?

 

[Dude]

Four divisions of 8 teams each could be interesting. Key word: "could"