Series Thread: 5) Indiana Pacers vs. 4) Cleveland Cavaliers

[msgkings322]

I'll take option 3 and exit the maze also known as your mind.

When you leave the maze you just enter the world...my world.

 

[LAD]

Yeah but Kyrie has a long way to go in terms of longevity. Unless he's going to win a couple titles in the next 2 years, he's gonna have to keep it up for a good while longer.

Why? He doesn't have to win titles to be inducted into the hall. My point is he's pretty much there in terms of his body of work. Playing longer only solidifies that it happens.

 

[LAD]

When you leave the maze you just enter the world...my world.

Um no, that only happens to you.

 

[DJ]

 

[msgkings322]

Why? He doesn't have to win titles to be inducted into the hall. My point is he's pretty much there in terms of his body of work. Playing longer only solidifies that it happens.

If he got hit by a bus tomorrow he would be close but no cigar. It's fair to say if he plays a few more years at this level (and his knee lets him) he gets in. Still doesn't make LeBron's Cavs' teams particularly 'loaded'. The current Warriors, LeBron's Heat, 90s Bulls, 80s Celtics and Lakers. Those teams were loaded.

 

[msgkings322]

Um no, that only happens to you.

Yes, they all think that.

So, last word freak?

 

[gordontrue]

Why? He doesn't have to win titles to be inducted into the hall. My point is he's pretty much there in terms of his body of work. Playing longer only solidifies that it happens.

Historically, HOF requires either a long career OR a flurry of titles / significant hardware (like MVP)

BBref has Kyries HOF probability at 36% right now. Nothing wrong with his stats, and the 2016 title definitely helps. But he's going to need to keep it up for awhile. IF his career turns out to be short, he'll need more hardware than 1 ring to get in. Which is why he isn't a lock right now.

 

[LAD]

If he got hit by a bus tomorrow he would be close but no cigar. It's fair to say if he plays a few more years at this level (and his knee lets him) he gets in. Still doesn't make LeBron's Cavs' teams particularly 'loaded'. The current Warriors, LeBron's Heat, 90s Bulls, 80s Celtics and Lakers. Those teams were loaded.

I don't think we were debating whether his teams were loaded. You specifically said he went to 4 Finals without playing with a HOF'er. Let's stay on topic here.

 

[LAD]

Yes, they all think that.

So, last word freak?

Well your imaginary friends don't count since they're ALWAYS stuck in your world.

 

[LAD]

Historically, HOF requires either a long career OR a flurry of titles / significant hardware (like MVP)

BBref has Kyries HOF probability at 36% right now. Nothing wrong with his stats, and the 2016 title definitely helps. But he's going to need to keep it up for awhile. IF his career turns out to be short, he'll need more hardware than 1 ring to get in. Which is why he isn't a lock right now.

And so whom from his era is gonna take his spot? Because that would also be a supporting factor if none of them have better careers, yes?

 

[msgkings322]

I don't think we were debating whether his teams were loaded. You specifically said he went to 4 Finals without playing with a HOF'er. Let's stay on topic here.

Well, I'll concede a bit. As I said, Kyrie is not a for sure HOFer, but his chances are good.

 

[msgkings322]

Well your imaginary friends don't count since they're ALWAYS stuck in your world.

Meh. Try harder. Last word freak confirmed.

 

[LAD]

Meh. Try harder. Last word freak confirmed.

This reeks of: "I have nothing so I will act like it wasn't a good comeback instead of trying harder myself". I will accept this as your "white flag" my friend.

 

[msgkings322]

This reeks of: "I have nothing so I will act like it wasn't a good comeback instead of trying harder myself". I will accept this as your "white flag" my friend.

And I will accept your continued posting as proof that you can't walk away...

 

[LAD]

And I will accept your continued posting as proof that you can't walk away...

Why would one need proof of that today? EVERYONE here knows I will keep going. It's ok to admit you don't have anything left.

 

[Heatles84]

Man, the "Lebron's supporting cast is not enough" narrative is so annoying

It's a short-sighted approach to judging talent in this series. But all-star count gives Cleveland the nod 2-1; one of which is being often times put as a better player than MJ.

 

[Heatles84]

Historically, HOF requires either a long career OR a flurry of titles / significant hardware (like MVP)

BBref has Kyries HOF probability at 36% right now. Nothing wrong with his stats, and the 2016 title definitely helps. But he's going to need to keep it up for awhile. IF his career turns out to be short, he'll need more hardware than 1 ring to get in. Which is why he isn't a lock right now.

I agree with this. On his present course, Kyrie's getting into the HOF. But he needs to stay healthy.

Guys were anointing Derrick Rose into the HOF; but his knees were so brittle and he never expanded his game that now he's basically worthless as an NBA player - not athletic enough anymore to be a guy that can get to the pain regularly and not a good perimeter shooter.

 

[LAD]

That may be true, but they have enough to get the job done vs the Pacers. If they don't, it means the players and/or coaching staff didn't do their job well, imo.

Are you sure?

 

[Heatles84]

Also, I didn't get to see much of the game. Went to see Super Troopers 2.

I, like @TurnUpTheHeat was pleasantly surprised as I saw bits of the first half and saw the Pacers were down 17.

 

[LAD]

I agree with this. On his present course, Kyrie's getting into the HOF. But he needs to stay healthy.

Guys were anointing Derrick Rose into the HOF; but his knees were so brittle and he never expanded his game that now he's basically worthless as an NBA player - not athletic enough anymore to be a guy that can get to the pain regularly and not a good perimeter shooter.

But, Rose only had what, 2 really good season & never won anything but 1 MVP, right? So maybe that's not the best comparison.