1990 MLB Draft Semi-Final 2

[Nosferatu]

Please vote for the better team and feel free to explain why.


TEAM THREE

LINEUP
1. LF : Tim Raines (S) : 7X All Star : 808 Steals : 2,605 Hits
2. 2B : Roberto Alomar (S) : 12X All Star : 10X Gold Glove Winner : 2,724 Hits
3. CF : Kirby Puckett (R) : Leader of TWO World Series Championship Teams : Lead League in Hits 4X : 6X Gold Glove Winner
4. 1B : Rafael Palmeiro (L) : 569 Home Runs : 3,020 Hits : 1999 Major League Player of the Year
5. DH : Albert Belle (R) : Career Bests : 50 HR's : 152 RBI's : .357 AVG
6. RF : Andre Dawson (R) : 1987 MVP : 8X Gold Glove Winner : 438 Home Runs
7. C : Mickey Tettleton (S) : Career Bests : 32 HR's (Three Times) : 110 RBI's : .419 OBP
8. 3B : Tim Wallach (R) : 5X All Star : 3X Gold Glove Winner : 2,085 Hits
9. SS : Barry Larkin (R) : 1995 MVP : 12X All Star : 3X Gold Glove Winner

BENCH
C : Terry Steinbach (R) : 3X All Star : Career Bests : 35 Home Runs : 100 RBI's
1B - Mark Grace (L) : 4X Gold Glove Winner : 2,445 Hits : Career OBP .383
2B - Juan Samuel (R) : Career Bests : 19 Triples : 28 Home Runs : 72 Steals
CF - Marquis Grissom (R) : 4X Gold Glove Winner : Career High 78 Steals : 2,251 Hits
RF - Paul O'Neill (L) : 5X All Star : 2,105 Hits : 1994 Batting Champion

ROTATION
1. David Cone (R) : 1994 Cy Young Winner : 2,668 Strikeouts : 5X All Star
2. Jimmy Key (L) : 4X All Star : 12+ Wins 12 Times : 1987 ERA Champion 2.76
3. Rick Reuschel (R) : 214 Wins : Career 3.37 ERA : 2X Gold Glove Winner
4. Sid Fernandez (L) : Career 3.36 ERA : 1,743 Strikeouts in 1,866 Innings : 2X All Star
5. Charlie Hough (K) : Knuckleball Master : 25 Year Career : 2,362 Strikeouts

BULLPEN
Tom Henke CL (R) : Career 2.67 ERA : 311 Career Saves : 861 Strikeouts in 789 Innings Pitched
Rick Aguilera (R) : 318 Career Saves : 3X All Star : World Series Champion
Tom Gordon (R) : 1,928 Strikeouts : Career Bests : 17 Wins : 46 Saves
Craig Lefferts (L) : Career 3.43 ERA : Career Bests : 14 Wins : 83 Games Pitched
Atlee Hammaker (L) : 1983 ERA Champion 2.25 : All Star : Career ERA 3.66
Steve Farr (R) : Career 3.25 ERA : 132 Saves : 668 Strikeouts in 509 Games


VERSUS


TEAM FIVE

Lineup
1st Switch - LF - Vince Coleman: 6 straight Stolen Base Titles, 3 straight 100 stolen base seasons, Two Top 12 Stolen MVPs
2nd Righty - 2nd base - Craig Biggio: (Also can move to catcher)Most Leadoff Homers in NL History, 4 Straight Gold Gloves, 5 Top 16 MVPs
3rdRighty - RF - Dave Winfield: 7 Gold Gloves, 1st Ballot HOfer, Selected as Third Best Athlete EVER by ESPN in 1994.
Cleanup Switch- 1B - Eddie Murray: 1st Ballot HOFer, 3x Gold Glover, 9 Times in Top 11 in MVP voting.
5th - Righty - CF - Dale Murphy: Back to Back MVPs, 5 straight Gold Gloves, 4 straight Silver Sluggers.
6thLefty - DH - Darryl Strawberry: 8straight All Star Games, 88 HR Champ, 4 Top Ten MVPs.
7thRighty - SS - Cal "The Iron Man" Ripken: 1st Ballot HOFer, 2 MVPs, Most Homers Ever from a shortstop.
8thLefty- C - Lance "The Big Wheel"Parrish: Three Straight Gold Gloves, Three Straight Top 16 in MVP, 8x All Star.
9thRighty - 3B - Travis Fryman: Two Top 18 MVPs, 5x All Star, Gold Glover.

Bench
Pinch Hitter - Righty- 1B/DH - Cecil Fielder: 1st player with 50HRs since 1977 in 1990, Back to Back HR Titles, Three Straight RBI Titles.
Pinch Runner- Lefty- CF - Steve Finley: 5x Gold Glover, 320 Career SBs, Two Top 14 MVPs.
Pinch Runner -Switch- 2B/LF/3B -Bip Roberts: Extremely Versatile, 2x 40 stolen bases, 8th in 1992 MVP Voting.
DH/1B/3B -Righty- Darrell Evans: 4 Top 18 MVps, 1985 HR Champ, 1605 Career Walks- 12th All-Time.
LF/RF - Righty- Dante Bichette: HR&RBI Title in 91, 4 Top 20 MVPs, 4x All Star.

Rotation
SP -Righty- Jack Morris: 1991 World Series MVP, Opening Day No Hitter in '84, Most Wins in the '80's.
SP - Lefty- Frank Tanana: 3 straight Top 9 Cy Young voting, 3 straight ERAs under 2.62, 100MPH Fastball!
SP - Righty- Kevin Appier: 1993 ERA leader, 3rd in Cy Young Voting, Back to back ERAs under 2.56.
SP - Righty- Jose Rijo: 1990 World Series MVP, 1993 K leader, 2 Top 5 Cy Young votings.
SP - Righty - Mark Gubicza: Back to Back All Stag games, 3rd in '88 Cy Young Voting, Back to Back Seasons over 255 innings.

Bullpen
Closer -Righty - Steve Bedrosian: Cy Young Winner, Rolaids Relief Award Winner, One of Four Relievers to win the CYA.
RP -Lefty- Mike Stanton: Three Times Over 80 appearances, Most Holds in MLB History, 3 Straight WS Rings.
RP -Power Lefty- Mitch Williams: The Wild Thing, All-Star, Slide Step Master.
RP - Righty- Gregg Olson: 4 out 5 season with an ERA under 2.05, 217 saves, All Star.
RP -Power Lefty- Dan Plesac: Three Straight All Star Games, Brewers Alltime ERA and Saves Leader.
RP - Righty- Steve Olin: Submariner, 2.34 ERA in 88 innings in '92 at age 26, his final season.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Team 3

 

[UK Cowboy]

This contest is about a coin flip to me. I ranked team 3 higher in the rankings, but looking at these two head to head, it's a toss up. Team 3 has a pretty good hitting catcher, but he isn't exactly Pudge behind the plate, and team 5 has lots of speed at the top. Their lineups are pretty close overall, would give the edge to team 3. there. Better bench for team 5 and a little better pen. Rotations are solid, maybe a slight edge to team 5. This one would go the full 7 games, and probably extra's at the end.

Team 3 wins

 

[steveringo]

I'm gonna pick team 5. I like the back end of the lineup and the back end of the rotation a little bit better.

 

[Pack 500]

I'm gonna pick team 5. I like the back end of the lineup and the back end of the rotation a little bit better.

How much does the back end of the rotation matter in a series? They will pitch 1 game at most

 

[Pack 500]

Team 3

 

[blstoker]

Let's see how many people I can tick off this round with my rankings!!!!

Batting Order
Tim Raines - Vince Coleman 3 (Raines)
Roberto Alomar - Craig Biggio 3 (Alomar)
Kirby Puckett - Dave Winfield 3 (Puckett)
Rafael Palmeiro - Eddie Murray 3 (Palmeiro)
Albert Belle - Dale Murphy 3 (Belle)
Andre Dawson - Darryl Strawberry 5 (Strawberry)
Mickey Tettleton - Cal Ripken 5 (Ripken)
Tim Wallach - Lance Parrish 5 (Parrish)
Barry Larkin - Travis Fryman 3 (Larkin)

Defense
C - Mickey Tettleton - Lance Parrish 5 (Parrish)
1B - Rafael Palmeiro - Eddie Murray 5 (Murray
2B - Roberto Alomar - Craig Biggio 3 (Alomar)
3B - Tim Wallach - Travis Fryman 3 (Wallach)
SS - Barry Larkin - Cal Ripken 3 (Larkin)
LF - Tim Raines - Vince Coleman 3 (Raines)
CF - Kirby Puckett - Dale Murphy 5 (Murphy)
RF - Dave Winfield - Daryl Strawberry 3 (Winfield)

Bench
Terry Steinbach - Darrell Evans 5 (Evans)*
Mark Grace - Cecil Fielder 5 (Fielder)
Juan Samuel - Bip Roberts 3 (Samuel)
Marquis Grissom - Steve Finley 3 (Grissom)
Paul O"Neill - Dante Bichette 5 (Bichette)

Rotation
David Cone - Jack Morris 3 (Cone) - sure to piss some people off
Jimmy Key - Frank Tanana 5 (Tanana)
Rick Ruechel - Kevin Appier 5 (Appier)
Sid Fernandez - Jose Rijo 3 (Fernandez)
Charlie Hough - Mark Gubicza 3 (Hough)

Bullpen
Tom Henke - Steve Bedrosian 3 (Henke)
Rick Aguilera - Mike Stanton 3 (Aguilera)
Tom Gordon - Gregg Olson 3 (Gordon)
Craig Lefferts - Mitch Williams 5 (Williams)
Alan Hammaker - Dan Plesac 5 (Plesac)
Steve Farr - Steve Olin 3 (Farr)

Totals:
BO - 6-3
Df - 5-3
Ro - 3-2
BP - 4-2

Team 3 -18
Team 5 - 10

Team 3

 

[blstoker]

I forgot the bench, which would have closed the gap to Team 3 - 20 Team 5 - 13

 

[steveringo]

How much does the back end of the rotation matter in a series? They will pitch 1 game at most

When all else is equal - the back end of a rotations and lineup can help tremendously...

 

[Pack 500]

When all else is equal - the back end of a rotations and lineup can help tremendously...

Lineup sure. But your #4 starter is only pitching 1 game 5th starter not at all

 

[Pack 500]

Let's see how many people I can tick off this round with my rankings!!!!

Batting Order
Tim Raines - Vince Coleman 3 (Raines)
Roberto Alomar - Craig Biggio 3 (Alomar)
Kirby Puckett - Dave Winfield 3 (Puckett)
Rafael Palmeiro - Eddie Murray 3 (Palmeiro)
Albert Belle - Dale Murphy 3 (Belle)
Andre Dawson - Darryl Strawberry 5 (Strawberry)
Mickey Tettleton - Cal Ripken 5 (Ripken)
Tim Wallach - Lance Parrish 5 (Parrish)
Barry Larkin - Travis Fryman 3 (Larkin)

Defense
C - Mickey Tettleton - Lance Parrish 5 (Parrish)
1B - Rafael Palmeiro - Eddie Murray 5 (Murray
2B - Roberto Alomar - Craig Biggio 3 (Alomar)
3B - Tim Wallach - Travis Fryman 3 (Wallach)
SS - Barry Larkin - Cal Ripken 3 (Larkin)
LF - Tim Raines - Vince Coleman 3 (Raines)
CF - Kirby Puckett - Dale Murphy 5 (Murphy)
RF - Dave Winfield - Daryl Strawberry 3 (Winfield)

Bench
Terry Steinbach - Darrell Evans 5 (Evans)*
Mark Grace - Cecil Fielder 5 (Fielder)
Juan Samuel - Bip Roberts 3 (Samuel)
Marquis Grissom - Steve Finley 3 (Grissom)
Paul O"Neill - Dante Bichette 5 (Bichette)

Rotation
David Cone - Jack Morris 3 (Cone) - sure to piss some people off
Jimmy Key - Frank Tanana 5 (Tanana)
Rick Ruechel - Kevin Appier 5 (Appier)
Sid Fernandez - Jose Rijo 3 (Fernandez)
Charlie Hough - Mark Gubicza 3 (Hough)

Bullpen
Tom Henke - Steve Bedrosian 3 (Henke)
Rick Aguilera - Mike Stanton 3 (Aguilera)
Tom Gordon - Gregg Olson 3 (Gordon)
Craig Lefferts - Mitch Williams 5 (Williams)
Alan Hammaker - Dan Plesac 5 (Plesac)
Steve Farr - Steve Olin 3 (Farr)

Totals:
BO - 6-3
Df - 5-3
Ro - 3-2
BP - 4-2

Team 3 -18
Team 5 - 10

Team 3

You're a genius Stoker. Coney should absolutely be ahead of Morris. Yes he's my favorite Yankee of all time but still.

 

[steveringo]

Lineup sure. But your #4 starter is only pitching 1 game 5th starter not at all

Is that how you are voting?

Then what was the point of drafting a #5 starter?

 

[steveringo]

You're a genius Stoker. Coney should absolutely be ahead of Morris. Yes he's my favorite Yankee of all time but still.

yeah... I don't think anyone would disagree with that...

 

[Pack 500]

Is that how you are voting?

Then what was the point of drafting a #5 starter?

That's my premise. Not everybody votes the same though.

 

[blstoker]

yeah... I don't think anyone would disagree with that...

Oh, I've had my fair share of "discussions" about Morris and how good he was.

 

[broncosmitty]

Had these teams ranked 1 and 2.

And Im voting Team 5 here.

Comes down to rotation and bench. Had Nos' not taken the top guy on my list when he selected Cone, Id go with all 5 rotation spots Team 5 over Team 1. But he did, Morris could quite possibly lose both of his starts in a 7 Game series. Tanana though, his prime is the best of any two in this Mock. Pitching in a Game 7, that advantage is HUGE. Sid and Rijo are close. Gubicza's 88-89 seasons are superior to anything Hough did. (I won a Mock with Hough as my #5, but opted for MG this time.)

 

[mr.hockey4242]

Had these teams ranked 1 and 2.

And Im voting Team 5 here.

Comes down to rotation and bench. Had Nos' not taken the top guy on my list when he selected Cone, Id go with all 5 rotation spots Team 5 over Team 1. But he did, Morris could quite possibly lose both of his starts in a 7 Game series. Tanana though, his prime is the best of any two in this Mock. Pitching in a Game 7, that advantage is HUGE. Sid and Rijo are close. Gubicza's 88-89 seasons are superior to anything Hough did. (I won a Mock with Hough as my #5, but opted for MG this time.)

Bascially this. I take a big value in bench and that edge goes to team 5. I have also been on the side of good hitting beats good pitching in this draft but I think the lineups are pretty equal. I give an edge to team 3 though. So now it comes down to the rotation and in my opinion Team 5's depth wins it. If Morris can win either of his 2 starts team 5 is basically a lock in my opinion and takes it in 6. If he loses both I think team 5 sneaks out in 7 games.

Team 5 for me.

 

[Nosferatu]

Let's see how many people I can tick off this round with my rankings!!!!

Batting Order
Tim Raines - Vince Coleman 3 (Raines)
Roberto Alomar - Craig Biggio 3 (Alomar)
Kirby Puckett - Dave Winfield 3 (Puckett)
Rafael Palmeiro - Eddie Murray 3 (Palmeiro)
Albert Belle - Dale Murphy 3 (Belle)
Andre Dawson - Darryl Strawberry 5 (Strawberry)
Mickey Tettleton - Cal Ripken 5 (Ripken)
Tim Wallach - Lance Parrish 5 (Parrish)
Barry Larkin - Travis Fryman 3 (Larkin)

Defense
C - Mickey Tettleton - Lance Parrish 5 (Parrish)
1B - Rafael Palmeiro - Eddie Murray 5 (Murray
2B - Roberto Alomar - Craig Biggio 3 (Alomar)
3B - Tim Wallach - Travis Fryman 3 (Wallach)
SS - Barry Larkin - Cal Ripken 3 (Larkin)
LF - Tim Raines - Vince Coleman 3 (Raines)
CF - Kirby Puckett - Dale Murphy 5 (Murphy)
RF - Dave Winfield - Daryl Strawberry 3 (Winfield)

Bench
Terry Steinbach - Darrell Evans 5 (Evans)*
Mark Grace - Cecil Fielder 5 (Fielder)
Juan Samuel - Bip Roberts 3 (Samuel)
Marquis Grissom - Steve Finley 3 (Grissom)
Paul O"Neill - Dante Bichette 5 (Bichette)

Rotation
David Cone - Jack Morris 3 (Cone) - sure to piss some people off
Jimmy Key - Frank Tanana 5 (Tanana)
Rick Ruechel - Kevin Appier 5 (Appier)
Sid Fernandez - Jose Rijo 3 (Fernandez)
Charlie Hough - Mark Gubicza 3 (Hough)

Bullpen
Tom Henke - Steve Bedrosian 3 (Henke)
Rick Aguilera - Mike Stanton 3 (Aguilera)
Tom Gordon - Gregg Olson 3 (Gordon)
Craig Lefferts - Mitch Williams 5 (Williams)
Alan Hammaker - Dan Plesac 5 (Plesac)
Steve Farr - Steve Olin 3 (Farr)

Totals:
BO - 6-3
Df - 5-3
Ro - 3-2
BP - 4-2

Team 3 -18
Team 5 - 10

Team 3

Just a couple thoughts.
1. Puckett IMO was a better CF than Murphy
2. You have Winfield beating Strawberry on defense in RF (Those are both players on team 5) Andre Dawson is my RF

 

[Nosferatu]

Team 3

 

[Nosferatu]

Ritz = 3
UK = 3
Steve = 5
Pack = 3
Stoke = 3
Smitty = 5
Hockey = 5
Nos = 3


Team 5 = 3 votes
Team 3 = 5 votes




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