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4down20 · Apr 12, 2015

TROJAN-MAN said:
LOL on hanging your hat on a victory over an undefeated PSU team, who only played 6 teams with a winning record, not counting Alabama (LOL). Meanwhile, not counting USC bowl game. USC played 10 teams with a winning record.

Next to Alabama, only PSU has played the most " NON-BCS, or non top 5 Conf. teams " in their existences...

You only beat Michigan on what was ranked the #10 worst call in sports history.

Maybe USC fans should be glad the Rose Bowl refs weren't at the Sugar Bowl. Because on that last goal line stand we had against Penn St the refs would have called it a TD at the 2 yard line and Penn St would have won both polls.

TROJAN-MAN · Apr 12, 2015

4down20 said:
You only beat Michigan on what was ranked the #10 worst call in sports history.

Maybe USC fans should be glad the Rose Bowl refs weren't at the Sugar Bowl. Because on that last goal line stand we had against Penn St the refs would have called it a TD at the 2 yard line and Penn St would have won both polls.

LOL at Bama Fans sugesting their team never benefited from a blow call

4down20 · Apr 12, 2015

TROJAN-MAN said:
LOL at Bama Fans sugesting their team never benefited from a blow call

I don't recall basing my position for why my team deserved a national championship based on one.

BamaTee1 · Apr 12, 2015

Alabama starts that season with #10 Nebraska and #11 Missouri while USC played a 7-4 (the 7 wins were a joke) Texas Tech and 2-9 Oregon, back when they were one of the worst teams in college football. Wonder who USC was practicing for all spring and fall? ASU beats the Trojans. Should ASU have been the Champions? Bama deserved every bit of that #1 ranking! 1941 was the one year even Alabama fans can't figure out!

TROJAN-MAN · Apr 12, 2015

BamaTee1 said:
Alabama starts that season with #10 Nebraska and #11 Missouri while USC played a 7-4 (the 7 wins were a joke) Texas Tech and 2-9 Oregon, back when they were one of the worst teams in college football. Wonder who USC was practicing for all spring and fall? ASU beats the Trojans. Should ASU have been the Champions? Bama deserved every bit of that #1 ranking! 1941 was the one year even Alabama fans can't figure out!

And in week 3 Alabama played USC and lost.. Enough said

trojanfan12 · Apr 12, 2015

BamaTee1 said:
Alabama starts that season with #10 Nebraska and #11 Missouri while USC played a 7-4 (the 7 wins were a joke) Texas Tech and 2-9 Oregon, back when they were one of the worst teams in college football. Wonder who USC was practicing for all spring and fall? ASU beats the Trojans. Should ASU have been the Champions? Bama deserved every bit of that #1 ranking! 1941 was the one year even Alabama fans can't figure out!

#7 ranked USC beat #1 ranked Alabama 24-14 at Legion Field. Additionally, Alabama played 2-9 Vandy, so no different than USC playing 2-9 Oregon. Additionally, USC and Alabama had 1 common opponent that season, Washington. Alabama beat them 20-17 while USC beat them 28-10.

USC opponents had a 61% winning percentage (83-51-2) while Alabama's opponents had a 56% winning percentage (70-53-2). The difference in overall games is because USC played a 12 game regular season and Alabama played an 11 game regular season.

trojanfan12 · Apr 12, 2015

4down20 said:
I don't recall basing my position for why my team deserved a national championship based on one.

Neither did anyone else.

outofyourmind · Apr 12, 2015

BamaTee1 said:
Alabama starts that season with #10 Nebraska and #11 Missouri while USC played a 7-4 (the 7 wins were a joke) Texas Tech and 2-9 Oregon, back when they were one of the worst teams in college football. Wonder who USC was practicing for all spring and fall? ASU beats the Trojans. Should ASU have been the Champions? Bama deserved every bit of that #1 ranking! 1941 was the one year even Alabama fans can't figure out!

TROJAN-MAN said:
And in week 3 Alabama played USC and lost.. Enough said

BOOM

nddulac · Apr 12, 2015

trojanfan12 said:
Come to think of it. I seem to remember another season where Alabama claims a title in a very similar fashion. What year was that? Let me see?

1978, I believe it was.

Alabama's claim to the 1978 title is that it beat #2 Penn State in the Sugar Bowl and finished atop the AP poll. USC's claim is based on having the same number of losses as Alabama (1) and having beaten Alabama head-to-head. USC finished the season atop the UPI poll.

My computer (which is, of course, the arbiter of all things college football (I say this tongue in cheek,because even I don't believe that . . see 2002 as an example)) gives the nod to USC. And that is actually unusual. Generally when two teams have the same good record, the computer gives the nod to the loser of the head-to-head game, since their loss came to the more highly rated team. So it would seem to me that USC must have had the more difficult schedule - and by a pretty substantial amount to overcome having the worse loss between the two.

Here is the final top ten from that season according to my computer:

HTML:

TFS - 2.0
Rank   School                         Record          Rating     Schedule
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.   1)  Southern California          (12 -  1 -  0)    86.171       67.556
.   2)  Alabama                      (11 -  1 -  0)    84.470       65.387
.   3)  Oklahoma                     (11 -  1 -  0)    81.016       61.683
.   4)  Penn State                   (11 -  1 -  0)    79.876       59.876
.   5)  Texas                        ( 9 -  3 -  0)    78.629       64.671
.   6)  Michigan                     (10 -  2 -  0)    77.091       59.008
.   7)  Notre Dame                   ( 9 -  3 -  0)    76.870       65.829
.   8)  Arkansas                     ( 9 -  2 -  1)    76.141       61.682
.   9)  Houston                      ( 9 -  3 -  0)    75.945       63.987
.  10)  Nebraska                     ( 9 -  3 -  0)    74.954       63.579

outofyourmind · Apr 12, 2015

nddulac said:
Alabama's claim to the 1978 title is that it beat #2 Penn State in the Sugar Bowl and finished atop the AP poll. USC's claim is based on having the same number of losses as Alabama (1) and having beaten Alabama head-to-head. USC finished the season atop the UPI poll.

My computer (which is, of course, the arbiter of all things college football (I say this tongue in cheek,because even I don't believe that . . see 2002 as an example)) gives the nod to USC. And that is actually unusual. Generally when two teams have the same good record, the computer gives the nod to the loser of the head-to-head game, since their loss came to the more highly rated team. So it would seem to me that USC must have had the more difficult schedule - and by a pretty substantial amount to overcome having the worse loss between the two.

Here is the final top ten from that season according to my computer:

HTML:

TFS - 2.0 Rank School Record Rating Schedule -------------------------------------------------------------------------- . 1) Southern California (12 - 1 - 0) 86.171 67.556 . 2) Alabama (11 - 1 - 0) 84.470 65.387 . 3) Oklahoma (11 - 1 - 0) 81.016 61.683 . 4) Penn State (11 - 1 - 0) 79.876 59.876 . 5) Texas ( 9 - 3 - 0) 78.629 64.671 . 6) Michigan (10 - 2 - 0) 77.091 59.008 . 7) Notre Dame ( 9 - 3 - 0) 76.870 65.829 . 8) Arkansas ( 9 - 2 - 1) 76.141 61.682 . 9) Houston ( 9 - 3 - 0) 75.945 63.987 . 10) Nebraska ( 9 - 3 - 0) 74.954 63.579

It should have Been Oklahoma.
Oklahoma beat every team they played that year.
BOOM

nddulac · Apr 12, 2015

outofyourmind said:
It should have Been Oklahoma.
Oklahoma beat every team they played that year.
BOOM

Except Nebraska. But why pick nits?

4down20 · Apr 13, 2015

nddulac said:
Alabama's claim to the 1978 title is that it beat #2 Penn State in the Sugar Bowl and finished atop the AP poll. USC's claim is based on having the same number of losses as Alabama (1) and having beaten Alabama head-to-head. USC finished the season atop the UPI poll.

Alabama's claim to the 1978 title is that the AP voters voted for it. I know this may come as a shock to some of you.

nddulac · Apr 13, 2015

nddulac said:
Alabama's claim to the 1978 title is that it beat #2 Penn State in the Sugar Bowl and finished atop the AP poll. USC's claim is based on having the same number of losses as Alabama (1) and having beaten Alabama head-to-head. USC finished the season atop the UPI poll.

4down20 said:
Alabama's claim to the 1978 title is that the AP voters voted for it. I know this may come as a shock to some of you.

I, for one, am SHOCKED!

outofyourmind · Apr 13, 2015

nddulac said:
Except Nebraska. But why pick nits?

We beat Nebraska that year in the Orange Bowl.

nddulac · Apr 13, 2015

outofyourmind said:
We beat Nebraska that year in the Orange Bowl.

Well, you got me there. Oklahoma did, in fact, beat every team they played in the 1978 season, but not every time they played them. Touche.

outofyourmind · Apr 13, 2015

nddulac said:
Well, you got me there. Oklahoma did, in fact, beat every team they played in the 1978 season, but not every time they played them. Touche.

kind of like how Alabama got a rematch against LSU
Oklahoma got screwed in 1978 :eek:

nddulac · Apr 13, 2015

outofyourmind said:
kind of like how Alabama got a rematch against LSU
Oklahoma got screwed in 1978

If you look at the final top four (at least according to my computer) of Southern Cal, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Penn State .... You can toss Penn State right away because they lost their bowl game. But USC, Alabama, and Oklahoma certainly all deserved consideration. Where i would say Oklahoma got screwed was in having to play Nebraska again. But then again, had the Sooners beaten then Huskers, it would have been Nebraska playing Penn State for the Natty.

But who am I kidding - this was 1978 and the bowl matchups were determined with two weeks left to go in the season. Who knows what would have happened?

Don't get me started on Alabma getting a second bite at the apple against LSU. That was complete and utter ESPN marketing bullshit. The BCS Championship game should have been Oklahoma State vs. Louisiana State.

outofyourmind · Apr 13, 2015

Osborne knew he couldn't do it again. :heh:

4down20 · Apr 13, 2015

nddulac said:
If you look at the final top four (at least according to my computer) of Southern Cal, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Penn State .... You can toss Penn State right away because they lost their bowl game. But USC, Alabama, and Oklahoma certainly all deserved consideration. Where i would say Oklahoma got screwed was in having to play Nebraska again. But then again, had the Sooners beaten then Huskers, it would have been Nebraska playing Penn State for the Natty.

But who am I kidding - this was 1978 and the bowl matchups were determined with two weeks left to go in the season. Who knows what would have happened?

Don't get me started on Alabma getting a second bite at the apple against LSU. That was complete and utter ESPN marketing bullshit. The BCS Championship game should have been Oklahoma State vs. Louisiana State.

I'm not sure you could have posted a more bullshit post if you tried.

Nebraska wasn't an undefeated #1 team when Oklahoma got the rematch, he was making a joke I'm sure. In fact, that Nebraska team lost their first game of the season to Alabama 20-3.

On top of which, Nebraska lost their last game to 7-4 Missouri at the end of the year. Alabama also beat Missouri that year in week 2.

Every metric available showed Alabama and LSU were the 2 best teams in 2011. Unless by some miracle ESPN marketing also extends to computer formulas and stats.

nddulac · Apr 13, 2015

4down20 said:
Some stuff about how no one should have an opinion that differs from his . . oh yeah - it went like this:

I'm not sure you could have posted a more bullshit post if you tried.

Here is "an available metric" (it is, after all, a metric and it is, by virtue of me posting it here (and in on my own website back in 2011), available) that would say that Alabama was not in the in top two at the end of the regular season in 2011.

HTML:

TFS - 2.0 (College Football - NCAA and NAIA)

Rank   School                         Record          Rating     Schedule
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.   1)  LSU                          (13 -  0 -  0)   114.776       91.853
.   2)  Oklahoma St                  (11 -  1 -  0)   112.556       95.140
.   3)  Alabama                      (11 -  1 -  0)   111.110       90.610
.   4)  Oklahoma                     ( 9 -  3 -  0)   107.466       96.008
.   5)  Kansas St                    (10 -  2 -  0)   105.663       93.788
.   6)  Stanford                     (11 -  1 -  0)   104.883       87.133
.   7)  Baylor                       ( 9 -  3 -  0)   104.857       95.024
.   8)  Oregon                       (11 -  2 -  0)   104.455       88.724
.   9)  Michigan                     (10 -  2 -  0)   103.358       88.358
.  10)  South Carolina               (10 -  2 -  0)   103.350       89.267

The real bottom line (for me as a fan) is that Alabama had a shot against LSU and crapped the bed - at home.

But don't feel too badly. I also think it was some BS when Oklahoma lost their conference championship game to Kansas State and still made it to the BCS championship game.

Added in Edit:
If you don't believe me that not "every available metric" had Alabama in the top two, check out the Massey computer comparisons following the last week of the season in 2011: College Football Ranking Comparison

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