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Why JAX and MIN are good for football

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IF the Jags and Vikes are in the Super Bowl it will be the worst rated SB in television history. Nobody but Jags and Vikes fans will watch. No one will give a rat shit. The reason the NFL, NBC and the advertisers want the Patriots is because the ratings will be huge with 95% of viewing audience watching to see if the Vikes or Eagles can knock them off.

Defense is still the buzzword for this year’s NFL playoffs.

The Jacksonville Jaguars, Minnesota Vikings and Philadelphia Eagles ranked No. 1, 2 and 3, respectively, for fewest points allowed per drive during the regular season, with the New England Patriots finishing a respectable sixth. But don’t confuse these teams for some of the one-dimensional, defense-only squads we have seen in the past — they can score points, too.

The Patriots led the league in scoring efficiency (2.6 points per drive), the Eagles ranked fifth (2.2), and the Vikings finished eighth (2.0). The Jaguars weren’t offensive dynamos, but they finished above average at 13th (1.8).

And don’t worry too much about Philadelphia’s drop-off in points with quarterback Nick Foles filling in for the injured Carson Wentz: The defense has stepped up, allowing 1.2 points per drive over the past four games, including the playoffs, to give them the second-best mark among playoff teams in that span (behind the Vikings at 0.7).

It’s that stellar defense — and the possibility the Vikings could appear in the championship game at U.S. Bank Stadium, their home field — that has Minnesota with almost as good of a chance as the Patriots to win Super Bowl LII.

Title odds are determined by using the win rates that fuel our weekly power rankings, which take into account a team’s actual record and what its record should be based on points scored and allowed — also known as its Pythagorean win percentage — and simulating the playoffs 5,000 times.

Team Seed Chance to win Super Bowl LII Super Bowl LII Odds
New England Patriots AFC No. 1 seed 34% 2-to-1
Minnesota Vikings NFC No. 2 seed 30% 2-to-1
Philadelphia Eagles NFC No. 1 seed 24% 3-to-1
Jacksonville Jaguars AFC No. 3 seed 12% 7-to-1
Jacksonville Jaguars at New England Patriots (-9)

Winner:Patriots, 66 percent
Pick: Jaguars +9


The Jaguars have shut down the passing game of their opponents all season. Four of their key defensive players — defensive linemen Calais Campbell and Malik Jackson, and cornerbacks A.J. Bouye and Jalen Ramsey — were named to the Pro Bowl after the team limited opposing quarterbacks to a 68.5 passer rating against during the regular season, a mark that was 18 points better than the average defense in 2017.

[Can Bill Belichick and the Patriots survive losing another pair of star coordinators?]

Tom Brady isn’t your run-of-the-mill passer: Against the four defenses that ranked in the top 10 of Football Outsiders’ Defense-adjusted Value Over Average, which measures a team’s efficiency by comparing success on every single play to a league average based on situation and opponent, Brady posted a 78.8 Total Quarterback Rating. If sustained over a full season, that would have been the best mark by any qualifying passer. Put another way, Brady has been the NFL’s best quarterback when facing the best defenses.

[Patriots’ Tom Brady is a freak, and Jaguars’ defense will only make him better]

In addition, the Jaguars dominated offensive formations that utilized “11 personnel”, which means one running back, one tight end and three wide receivers are on the field. According to research by Warren Sharp, Jacksonville allowed a mere 4.9 yards per attempt and 73 passer rating against in these situations. If an offense used a formation with no more than two wideouts, those numbers increased to 9.6 and 99, respectively. The Patriots, meanwhile, ran “11 personnel” just 45 percent of the time, the sixth-lowest rate in the NFL. When New England ran two-receiver sets with two tight ends (“12 personnel,” 14 percent of the time), it averaged a 146.8 passer rating. In two-receiver sets featuring two running backs (“21 personnel,” 26 percent), it managed a passer rating of 131.2.

Minnesota Vikings (-3) at Philadelphia Eagles

Winner: Vikings, 54 percent
Pick: Vikings -3


The battle of the backup quarterbacks, Case Keenum and Nick Foles, will be the focal point, but one of the key matchups will be how left tackle Halapoulivaati Vaitai, filling in for the injured Jason Peters since Week 7, handles Vikings defensive end Everson Griffen.

[A wing and a prayer: Eagles’ Nick Foles turned to a higher power before returning to Eagles]

Griffen was credited with 13 sacks during the regular season and finished as the 10th-best edge rusher per the game charters at Pro Football Focus. He had a sack against Drew Brees in the divisional playoff game Sunday in addition to deflecting a pass into the arms of teammate Anthony Barr for the Vikings’ second interception. Griffen has at least one sack in each of his three career playoff games.

Vaitai ranks 52 out of 55 qualified tackles after allowing nine sacks, 10 hits and 20 hurries. That could spell disaster for Foles, whose passer rating drops from 106.3 to 34.0 under pressure. An incomplete pass, by comparison, results in a passer rating of 39.6.

I disagree. It's the last football game (NCAA or NFL) for a while.....so I think more people will be watching it than most expect.....and also because it's 2 different teams than the usual participants.
 

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I disagree. It's the last football game (NCAA or NFL) for a while.....so I think more people will be watching it than most expect.....and also because it's 2 different teams than the usual participants.

Even if the ratings aren't what they usually are.
 

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Jags drafted a QB and RB top 4 overall. They prioritized offense with the draft and then solidified their defense mostly through Free Agency. They also took Jalen Ramsey #5 but he was pretty much a consensus top player just like Fournette.

Imo, if the Jaguars win the Super Bowl, it will be known as the year that Aaron Rodgers, DeShaun Watson, Carson Wentz, (probably) Tom Brady all got hurt.

If the Vikings win, it will probably go down as a miracle run because they have an awesome narrative.
 

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I respect the patriots and what they've accomplished. But anyone who thinks that no one will watch a super bowl if the Pats aren't in it need to get over themselves.

And just to clarify the point I was originally making has more to do with HOPE for the other 20+ teams' FANBASE without an elite QB.

Most fans want to see their team have a chance to win. Doesn't matter how it is done.
 

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And just to clarify the point I was originally making has more to do with HOPE for the other 20+ teams' FANBASE without an elite QB.
There are usually less than 5 elite defenses every year, too, so its not like thats an easier thing to come across.

Jags also just gave up 42 points. I'm not really sure they have a narrative.
 

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There are usually less than 5 elite defenses every year, too, so its not like thats an easier thing to come across.

Jags also just gave up 42 points. I'm not really sure they have a narrative.

No doubt the Jags defense last week wasn't their finest moment, but Steelers have perhaps the most dynamic offense in the NFL. Jags second in points given up, second in rushing yards allowed, first in passing yards allowed, tied for first in sacks per game. Oh yeah they have a narrative.

Go Jags by gawd!
 

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Jags also sacrificed yards last for burning times. My concern is their DBs were allowed alot of contact against the Steelers that could have been called and I guarantee it is called against the Pats.
 

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Jags also sacrificed yards last for burning times. My concern is their DBs were allowed alot of contact against the Steelers that could have been called and I guarantee it is called against the Pats.
This is true, but the Pats receiving Corp is a far cry from the Steelers receiving Corp. So perhaps the DBs won’t find it necessary to mug the receivers? Especially if they can bring the heat.
 

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Jags CBs gonna beat the shit out of NWE WRs
it is what they do, regardless of opponent, and that's why they are so good.

Same reason Patriots were so good in the early Brady years.
Don't believe me? ask Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, or Isaac Bruce and Torry Holt.

The best pass defenses always feature in-your-face, tough CBs with a good pass rush (think Seattle last few yrs)
 

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Well there is no doubt ratings are higher if Brady is there again

but seriously are we all not football fans..

i have no prob watching Eagles/Jags or Vike /Jags

i know this frozen northerner will be watching...


how many people shunned the potential Rams/Titans matchup prior to the big dance


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Find it kinda laughable that anyone would really pur forth the idea that a Bottles/Keenum (or Bottles/Foles) Super Bowl would get people who would normally watch, to not watch. People will watch regardless, they'll attend the SB parties, they'll head to the bars and watch there, the people who don't even like football will still have it on to watch the commercials for Christ's sake.
I think it will be a better game to watch if Brady is in it..even if for no other reason than to root against him, but in no way would I think Borylrs would get peeps to not tune it all. Definitely not enough people to make a significant dent
 

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well...instead of a stout running game and strong defense proving a point (a very valid point), everyone will still be looking for their Tom Brady
 

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welp the Patriots are in it..

Eagles just took the lead..... Things are going to be very interesting
 

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I'll simply say this - doesn't matter who is in it, I'm sticking to my boycott guns. ... they can kiss my a$$ :usa2:
 

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Barring a miraculous 4th quarter comeback, looks like it will be the Pats v Eagles.
The barbs between the 2 fan bases may be more entertaining than the game itself.
 

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The barbs between the 2 fan bases may be more entertaining than the game itself.

This^^^

pains me to say it, but I don't think Foles can score enough to beat the pats.

hope I'm wrong, even tho I'm not a deep seeded Patriots hater like some, still tired of watching them win it so many times recently.
 
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