Great example why Lebron will never reach Michael Jordan status

[lebron23james]

My opinion is from watching both. It is also from watching the numerous times LeBron hasn't even taken the final shot for his own team (see Kyrie Irvin taking the 3 in game 7 of the NBA finals)

Stats can be manipulated any way you'd like them to be. When your own peers and GM's don't select you, that speaks volumes.

My opinion is from facts

NBA Miner | NBA Advanced Stats- Clutch Time Stats

Playoffs clutch rating

2011- Lebron #2

2012- Lebron #1

2013- Lebron #1

2014- Lebron #8

2015- Lebron #1

Discuss why this upsets you...

 

[Shanemansj13]

Jordan went to the free throw line more because he drove to the basket more. If LeBron could shake a defender off the dribble, he'd do the same.

It is why the Pistons went to physically assaulting Jordan, because it was next to impossible from stopping him from getting to the rim. If you look at anyone who can put the ball on the floor and get to the basket, you will find the guys taking the most free throws.

MJ career 8.2 free throw attempts a game

Lebron career 8.3 free throw attempts a game

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

With 5 seconds left in the game he shot a better %, discuss why that upsets you...

What are you talking about? Did you miss the chart that showed in elimination, game clinching, etc games -- LeBron is 0-2, 0-1, 0-2? Or did you just skip over that?

You can skew stats to say whatever you want. When they asked the guys who play the game and the guys who build the rosters for each team -- ZERO picked LeBron.

 

[lebron23james]

What are you talking about? Did you miss the chart that showed in elimination, game clinching, etc games -- LeBron is 0-2, 0-1, 0-2? Or did you just skip over that?

You can skew stats to say whatever you want. When they asked the guys who play the game and the guys who build the rosters for each team -- ZERO picked LeBron.

I saw that chart, and lmfao...they had him at 0-1 in facing elimination games yet just in 2013 he hit a 3 with .22 vs the spurs...that is where i stopped taking it and you serious

My opinion is from facts

NBA Miner | NBA Advanced Stats- Clutch Time Stats

Playoffs clutch rating

2011- Lebron #2

2012- Lebron #1

2013- Lebron #1

2014- Lebron #8

2015- Lebron #1

Discuss why this upsets you...

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

MJ career 8.2 free throw attempts a game

Lebron career 8.3 free throw attempts a game

The playoffs -- he has 50 more attempts in less games.

 

[lebron23james]

The playoffs -- he has 50 more attempts in less games.

They coddled him in the playoffs

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

MJ career 8.2 free throw attempts a game

Lebron career 8.3 free throw attempts a game

Also, at the end of Jordan's career and especially when he came out of retirement the 2nd time -- he was shooting more and more jumpers

 

[tlance]

Also, at the end of Jordan's career and especially when he came out of retirement the 2nd time -- he was shooting more and more jumpers

Mid range jumpers. Hmmm.

Wonder who was talking about that?

 

[Shanemansj13]

The playoffs -- he has 50 more attempts in less games.

It doesn't matter your point about Lebron not attacking the rim is mute. He can and does score at will when he goes to the hoop just like MJ.

9.9 to 9.1 free throw attempts per game in the playoffs is a small difference

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

I saw that chart, and lmfao...they had him at 0-1 in facing elimination games yet just in 2013 he hit a 3 with .22 vs the spurs...that is where i stopped taking it and you serious

My opinion is from facts

NBA Miner | NBA Advanced Stats- Clutch Time Stats

Playoffs clutch rating

2011- Lebron #2

2012- Lebron #1

2013- Lebron #1

2014- Lebron #8

2015- Lebron #1

Discuss why this upsets you...

1. I didn't post the chart

2. I've watched Lebron since he came into the league. I watched him struggle in the NBA finals. I've watched teams completely shut him down in the 4th quarter of an entire series. I've watched him numerous times with the ball in his hands and the game on the line and come up short.

3. Are you sure you aren't talking about Ray Allen against the Spurs? If you read the article -- in the final minute, Lebron missed two shots and had two turnovers.

1. Ray Allen's 3 vs. Spurs saves Heat season

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

It doesn't matter your point about Lebron not attacking the rim is mute. He can and does score at will when he goes to the hoop just like MJ.

9.9 to 9.1 free throw attempts per game in the playoffs is a small difference

I never said he doesn't attack the rim. I said with the game on the line, most times he goes to the step back jumper, because he lacks the handles to take a guy off the dribble.

 

[lebron23james]

Should we move this to the fouled out board?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Mid range jumpers. Hmmm.

Wonder who was talking about that?

Oh, so the NBA, as a whole, went to mid range jumpers because of their age and the fact they had lost a step?

That is why Jordan started shooting more 3's and mid-range jumpers.

 

[tlance]

Oh, so the NBA, as a whole, went to mid range jumpers because of their age and the fact they had lost a step?

That is why Jordan started shooting more 3's and mid-range jumpers.

No. You claim the NBA does not attack the rim like they did 20 years ago because of the 3 point spike. I say you are wrong. They attack the rim just as much, they just don't shoot mid range jumpers anymore, trading 18 footers for 3s.

Your entire theory of officials calling everything today was exposed as false, yet you keep going. FT attempts are down today. That is fact. You can't prove jump shots are up, and the evidence I provided actually indicates a trend in the opposite direction.

Just because a lot of people believe something, doesn't make it true. 90's basketball had a lot of BS non-basketball plays, but the overall play, once those were removed is not less physical today than it was in 1996.

 

[tlance]

The prevailing thought in the 90s, was that a 15 foot shot was better than a 23 foot shot. That has been proven false today, because of the value of the 3. Again, more 3s does not necessarily mean more jump shots.

 

[Shaqdaddy11]

Should we move this to the fouled out board?

No we'll reserve that for just your topics.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

It doesn't matter your point about Lebron not attacking the rim is mute. He can and does score at will when he goes to the hoop just like MJ.

9.9 to 9.1 free throw attempts per game in the playoffs is a small difference

Yeah - Lebron is a good player and can score when he wants to, but I still think he needs at least one or two more titles to be placed on the same level as MJ. Lebron has very fortunate to never have injuries, so I do think it's possible for him to reach MJ status. Saying it will never happen is very premature - but he does need one more title in the next two years to be in the running which I tend to believe will happen

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

The prevailing thought in the 90s, was that a 15 foot shot was better than a 23 foot shot. That has been proven false today, because of the value of the 3. Again, more 3s does not necessarily mean more jump shots.

Since it isn't a jump shot league and the mid range jumper has been replaced by 3 point shots. How is it that in the past 20 years. The # of 2 point shot attempts have only dropped from 62.51 attempts per game to 62.06 per game?

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

No. You claim the NBA does not attack the rim like they did 20 years ago because of the 3 point spike. I say you are wrong. They attack the rim just as much, they just don't shoot mid range jumpers anymore, trading 18 footers for 3s.

Your entire theory of officials calling everything today was exposed as false, yet you keep going. FT attempts are down today. That is fact. You can't prove jump shots are up, and the evidence I provided actually indicates a trend in the opposite direction.

Just because a lot of people believe something, doesn't make it true. 90's basketball had a lot of BS non-basketball plays, but the overall play, once those were removed is not less physical today than it was in 1996.

I can't prove it? I just said the # of 2 point FGA hasn't changed much if any in 20 years, yet there has been a spike in 3 point FGA.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I never said he doesn't attack the rim. I said with the game on the line, most times he goes to the step back jumper, because he lacks the handles to take a guy off the dribble.

He doesn't need to have the best handles in the game. He can take a player off the dribble anytime he wants driving or posting up. Not sure what game you are watching. Seems to me like you have no idea what you are talking about lol