Colin Kaepernick's Future

[Liberal Icon]

Is this the figure skating off season? What the hell are you doing discussing a sport real dudes play? Even if the last 47 posts in the "Floral Arranging" thread are yours, let's not pretend you have watched 15 minutes of 9er football in the last decade.

I thought you were on the PF giving me B.S rating? What are you doing here?

 

[elw4corps]

The logic is that rarely are successful coaches especially those who consistently take their team to post season let go unless under special circumstances especially with the owners or GM. In his 3 years with Philadelphia Kelly only saw one post season and did not even make it in the 2015 season he was fired.

and i pointed out jimmy johnson which you said was a abberation, what make Harbaugh any less of an abberation seeing how he didn't even win a superbowl? Chip Kelly did have two winning season though his last one was a losing season but so was Harbaugh.

 

[BoiseMike19]

I thought you were on the PF giving me B.S rating? What are you doing here?

Meh, I ignore you unless you are opening a post calling someone an idiot or dumb fuck. Besides, it is a tag-team thing over there. If I'm not delivering justice one of 53 other dudes are stepping up. Aren't your bullshits and rainbows approaching the same number as your total post? Do you realize how few guys have the low percentage of up votes to negs like you that have not been banned? You are in a pretty exclusive club. So, you do got that going for you.

 

[NinerSickness]

wtf? The guy failed in his first post season losing at home, failing to make the post season in his second attempt and ended with an abysmal 6-9 record in 2015. Are you fucking kidding me? Harbaugh reached the NFC title games in each of his first 3 seasons and appearance in the superbowl. Unlike Kelly, Harbaugh was not a GM and had differences with York who is as clueless as they come. After we had been in the wilderness for a long time it was Harbaugh who took us out. There is no comparison with Kelly.

I completely agree Harbaugh was an amaing coach. But you said that the Eagles would've kept him if he weren't a "bust." By that rationale, Harbaugh was a bust too.

My point is that sometimes people part ways. When Kelly lost Tom Gamble & had to be the GM, things went downhill. Mike Holmgren sucked as a GM too, but he was a great HC. Now that Gamble & Kelly are re-united and he doesn't have to try personnel moves, the situation is ripe for a playoff run if they can get the right QB (Cook or Goff).

And a 26-21 record is not "abysmal."

Great QBs can make OK coaches look great, and bad QBs can make great coaches look just OK. Nick Foles is mediocre at best, and Sam Bradford sucks badly. Bradford's even worse than DumbDumb (Kaepernick), and Kaepernick is a turd. No coach on planet earth could win a SB with Sam Bradford.

 

[Ricky Roma]

That was not what Ron Jaworski who watched tons of videos of Kaepernick said when he evaluated him in 2013.
Jaworski: Kaepernick could be one of best

"SANTA CLARA, Calif. -- Niners quarterback Colin Kaepernick received high praise from ESPN analyst Ron Jaworski and managed to take it in stride.

"I truly believe Colin Kaepernick could be one of the greatest quarterbacks ever," Jaworski said Wednesday on ESPN. "I love his skill set. I think the sky's the limit."

And now we are going to pay Denver, the reigning champs, cash to take him?

You are gonna trot out what Ron Jaworski said years ago as some sort of validation of Kaepernick? How about what he's said more recently....such as this after a Cardinals game last year:

"Had to shred my guy Colin Kap today! He was awful in his reads, throws, footwork and mechanics! He has the toolset, but doesn't use them!"

I suggest you forget about what Jaws said then, and open your eyes to reality now. Everybody knows the 49ers have Kaepernick on the block. Everybody knows his contract is team-friendly. Do you honestly believe that a player of Jaws description, would get little to no interest in a trade scenario? Or that the Niners would just give up on a guy like that?

Of course not....because Kaepernick is nowhere close to what Jaws' hysterical and nonsensical rant. At this point, there is a good chance that he's not even the greatest quarterback currently on his own team.

 

[cdumler7]

You are gonna trot out what Ron Jaworski said years ago as some sort of validation of Kaepernick? How about what he's said more recently....such as this after a Cardinals game last year:

"Had to shred my guy Colin Kap today! He was awful in his reads, throws, footwork and mechanics! He has the toolset, but doesn't use them!"

I suggest you forget about what Jaws said then, and open your eyes to reality now. Everybody knows the 49ers have Kaepernick on the block. Everybody knows his contract is team-friendly. Do you honestly believe that a player of Jaws description, would get little to no interest in a trade scenario? Or that the Niners would just give up on a guy like that?

Of course not....because Kaepernick is nowhere close to what Jaws' hysterical and nonsensical rant. At this point, there is a good chance that he's not even the greatest quarterback currently on his own team.

Just because Jaworski said those words I don't think Jaworski was even close to saying that Kaepernick had actually become that guy just that he had the tools to become that guy. He still has the physical tools to do that but there are two major areas that have to be fixed with him and while I wouldn't mind one bit the Broncos get him I also realize he has a lot of work to do if he wants to prove he belongs. His technique at times is down right terrible. This is what you usually see in physically gifted athletes in they were never taught actual technique because they have never needed great technique to succeed. This is where I do like the pairing with Kubiak as that is a huge deal to Kubiak of getting the technique starting from the bottom up. He is a huge believer in how you use your feet determines your accuracy. So my guess is the first few months in Denver would just be spent working on foot work and improving technique. Next would obviously be learning to read a defense. This is the part that I have trouble seeing huge improvement on. He has a very intelligent mind from what I have read but that doesn't mean that he has a great football mind. Now he would have Elway and Kubiak who are both ex-QB's in the NFL working with him so I would bet it could improve some but with him learning a new offense, having to work on his technique, and so much more there is only so much you can fit into one off season.

 

[Ricky Roma]

If I had a dollar for every quote about a player and their 'physical skills' and whatnot, I would've bought the 49ers and cut Kaepernick myself. I don't care if it was Jim Harbaugh, Gary Kubiak, Bill Walsh, or the hand of god....you aren't gonna magically make Kaepernick into anything much more than he is now.

 

[cdumler7]

If I had a dollar for every quote about a player and their 'physical skills' and whatnot, I would've bought the 49ers and cut Kaepernick myself. I don't care if it was Jim Harbaugh, Gary Kubiak, Bill Walsh, or the hand of god....you aren't gonna magically make Kaepernick into anything much more than he is now.

Good to know you know the future. I guess in your opinion players have never gotten better over time or maybe under another coach? I guess some players have never taken time to have the mental side of the game to catch up with the physical.

I guess us as Bronco fans should count it a fluke that Jake Plummer improved 20 points on his QB Rating when he had Kubiak as his OC. I guess we should discount the fact that Elway had some of his best years of a HOF career at the very end under Kubiak. I guess Matt Schaub as a Back Up QB with the Falcons all of a sudden becoming a Pro Bowl QB with the Texans should mean nothing. Those are just guys under Kubiak. Listen I get that Kaepernick good chance he doesn't become much more than he already is and the Broncos maybe make a mistake in trading for him and hoping he could become more. That does happen in this league where teams hope they can fix somebody and it just doesn't happen. But to me seems pretty arrogant to think that he can't become anymore than he already is as we have seen way too many times that a player goes to a new environment and maybe gets into a better system that fits his skills and revitalizes his career.

 

[Breed]

dp

 

[Ricky Roma]

Good to know you know the future. I guess in your opinion players have never gotten better over time or maybe under another coach?

He was regressing under Jim Harbaugh, one of the best HC's in the NFL during his tenure, but if you want to believe that Gary Kubiak can revitalize Colin Kaepernick, be my guest.

 

[shopson67]

He was regressing under Jim Harbaugh, one of the best HC's in the NFL during his tenure, but if you want to believe that Gary Kubiak can revitalize Colin Kaepernick, be my guest.

All that is going to happen with Kaep is that the damage will be minimized, putting the training wheels back on him. Kubiak will slow things down, getting him back to trying to read half the field instead of the whole field and minimize the expectations. That's not fixing someone, it's accepting his weaknesses and trying to avoid them.

Kaep simply doesn't throw with anticipation, which is necessary to become a good pro QB. He waits until he sees someone open and tries to rocket the ball to him. That will work occasionally, and having the elusiveness to keep the play going helps, but guys just don't run free in the NFL like they did in college, especially when you're only looking at one half of the field. Arguably, that will be towards your #1 receiver, who likely gets double-teamed.

 

[shopson67]

I completely agree Harbaugh was an amaing coach. But you said that the Eagles would've kept him if he weren't a "bust." By that rationale, Harbaugh was a bust too.

My point is that sometimes people part ways. When Kelly lost Tom Gamble & had to be the GM, things went downhill. Mike Holmgren sucked as a GM too, but he was a great HC. Now that Gamble & Kelly are re-united and he doesn't have to try personnel moves, the situation is ripe for a playoff run if they can get the right QB (Cook or Goff).

And a 26-21 record is not "abysmal."

Great QBs can make OK coaches look great, and bad QBs can make great coaches look just OK. Nick Foles is mediocre at best, and Sam Bradford sucks badly. Bradford's even worse than DumbDumb (Kaepernick), and Kaepernick is a turd. No coach on planet earth could win a SB with Sam Bradford.

If no coach on the planet could win with Bradford, how can you back a coach that traded for Bradford by giving up a QB that HAD worked in your system (before giving away your #1 receiver) along with a 2nd round pick and another pick swap? It's not like Kelly took over the GM job out of necessity, he demanded it. He thinks he can just recruit new players to replace guys that have an ego like he's still in college. That blew up huge in his face. He would still be in Philly if he had agreed to step down as GM. Instead, he's fired and in SF, who gave their last coaching choice only 1 season. Best of luck with that. The Niners offense appears bereft of the type of playmakers that Kelly prefers.

 

[Ricky Roma]

All that is going to happen with Kaep is that the damage will be minimized, putting the training wheels back on him. Kubiak will slow things down, getting him back to trying to read half the field instead of the whole field and minimize the expectations. That's not fixing someone, it's accepting his weaknesses and trying to avoid them.

Kaep simply doesn't throw with anticipation, which is necessary to become a good pro QB. He waits until he sees someone open and tries to rocket the ball to him. That will work occasionally, and having the elusiveness to keep the play going helps, but guys just don't run free in the NFL like they did in college, especially when you're only looking at one half of the field. Arguably, that will be towards your #1 receiver, who likely gets double-teamed.

Pretty much. Sad thing is, that's what Harbaugh started doing (tearing up the full playbook/dumbing things down for Kaepernick) and that continued last year, and he only regressed. He's basically more athlete than quarterback.

 

[Liberal Icon]

You are gonna trot out what Ron Jaworski said years ago as some sort of validation of Kaepernick? How about what he's said more recently....such as this after a Cardinals game last year:

"Had to shred my guy Colin Kap today! He was awful in his reads, throws, footwork and mechanics! He has the toolset, but doesn't use them!"

I suggest you forget about what Jaws said then, and open your eyes to reality now. Everybody knows the 49ers have Kaepernick on the block. Everybody knows his contract is team-friendly. Do you honestly believe that a player of Jaws description, would get little to no interest in a trade scenario? Or that the Niners would just give up on a guy like that?

Of course not....because Kaepernick is nowhere close to what Jaws' hysterical and nonsensical rant. At this point, there is a good chance that he's not even the greatest quarterback currently on his own team.

Yeah, I brought Jaws who has looked into tons of films over the years description in response to the guy who claims Kap had no skills. And yes, Jaworski still says he has the toolset just that he has not used it!
I know Payton Manning was thought to be over the hill enough to be shipped to Denver to win the Superbowl.

 

[Ricky Roma]

Yeah, I brought Jaws who has looked into tons of films over the years description in response to the guy who claims Kap had no skills. And yes, Jaworski still says he has the toolset just that he has not used it!
I know Payton Manning was thought to be over the hill enough to be shipped to Denver to win the Superbowl.

And Jaworski was wrong.....which is clearly evident by the performance itself. Now you want to bring Peyton Manning into the conversation? Peyton Manning was not shipped anywhere....the Colts made a wise decision to get Andrew Luck, and Manning was released. Lets also not forget that he basically sucked this year, and the defense carried them to the Super Bowl.

 

[Mondo Jay]

...but, but....Jaws says he was good 3 years ago!

 

[Mondo Jay]

I know Payton Manning was thought to be over the hill enough to be shipped to Denver to win the Superbowl.

You probably don't realize Peyton had several serious neck surgeries (and was not "shipped" anywhere). His ability to get back on the field was absolutely in doubt. Do you think the Colts should have kept him and not given the team to Luck?

I will wait for you to find a Jaworski quote on this matter. Thanks.

 

[The Oldtimer]

I never liked Kelly and his offense. He was a bust in Philadelphia and he will be a bust here.

Yeah Kelly could be a bust with the Niners, but I think he will surprise you.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Or SF will trade away a GREAT QB.

Well then you would/should be happy, as you said Kap was a below average QB.

 

[The Oldtimer]

For most QBs to be successful, it's fifty percent the QB & fifty percent the situation. In Denver's situation, they don't need a good to great QB to be successful. They can have average QB play & still be dominate.

Kap has proven that he can lead a team with a dominate defense & a strong run game, to the SB. As long as Denver doesn't ask him to drop back & throw the 30+ times, they can win with Kap.

Denver would be silly to give up anything more than conditional 4th round pick.

I agree, but Denver even with their good defense needs an above average QB, or they don't win their division.