Chip Kelly and Eagles to part ways after the season...

[SixthStreet]

Even if they go on a deep postseason run?

HAHA! Is that a joke?

 

[DJ]

HAHA! Is that a joke?

Just asking. You never know what can happen once the postseason rolls around.

 

[mall3013]

So my question for fellow eagles fans here, who would you want to bring in as the next HC if this rumor has legs?
This would be my choice and I know it's not possible because this coach is under contract with another NFL team now, but I really like Bill O'Brian. I think he would fit nicely in the current state the Eagles are in. He has both college and NFL experience. He doesn't appear to be an ego maniac, any PSU fan probably would agree. My GM I'd be okay with Banner again. Thoughts?

 

[DJ]

That would present an awkward situation.

 

[Iggloo]

I like Banner and Howie personally. Howie missed on Marcus Smith but he did well the year before with Lane Johnson, Bennie Logan etc.

 

[Wings]

Screw Howie and Screw Banner....I want Fresh Blood.....as far as head Coach my short list....Sean Payton should he come available, Bill Obrien Should he come available after that probably Sean Mcdermott.

 

[mall3013]

Screw Howie and Screw Banner....I want Fresh Blood.....as far as head Coach my short list....Sean Payton should he come available, Bill Obrien Should he come available after that probably Sean Mcdermott.

This would be a good fit. McDermott now has some experience under his belt with a couple of teams. Glad to see you on board with BOB.

 

[SixthStreet]

Why does everyone love Bill O'Brien so much? Houston fans are ready to punt on him and I'd say I agree with them.

 

[SixthStreet]

I think Sean McDermott would be a very good choice. This roster is constructed to be a offensively conservative, ground and pound, let the D dominate type of team.

Not sure who the short list should have, but I'd want a guy with a defensive background. The only exception would be Sean Payton.

 

[deerpathdave]

Pure speculation. Its all because...

- They had high expectations. Because of Kelly's success
- Kelly gives lousy interviews. No friends in the press. He only cares about football.
- Kelly made huge changes to the roster. Djax, McCoy chief among them. People are loyal to their jersey investments.
- They have lost a few games.

Let's look at what makes Kelly unique.

- The offense. Tempo, read option. bubble screens. communications methods.
- On the positive he won early with it. Without a QB. Fun to watch when it works. Wears out the defense. Makes it easier on the OL as the DL can't keep up. Defensive coaches can't get to fancy. Essentially inside the defenses decision cycle. Thinking and reacting quicker than the defense can think and react.
- On the negative. The tempo puts extra wear and tear on all the players on the team. More plays is more opportunities for injury. Kelly doesn't seem to have further innovated. Teams have figured it out.

- The program and culture. Smoothies, sleep monitors. strength program. Pace of practice.
- Positive. Better conditioned. Better trained. More dedicated.
- Negative. Intrusive on the player's time and personal life. Demands high level of dedication or jettisons players.

- Kelly as a GM. Add up all the deals he made and they really are good deals about getting better players. Maclin and Mathis are really the only bad deals, and arguably that is more on the player.

So the question is. If you ignore the record and the personality.....Do you believe in what Chip Kelly is doing? Do you believe in the tempo offense? Do you believe in the program? Do you believe in the personnel moves?

Losing streaks will happen. If you fired every coach who had a bad run, you would be well...the Redskins...

The relationship between Kelly and the press really shouldn't matter. I really don't give a crap if he gives a bad interview. It is a valid question as to how he is relating to the players. Are the players playing for him? Is there loyalty?

Worse case, Kelly is a Mike Martz, Jon Gruden or Lane Kiffin. An innovative offensive coach without the people or management skills to be effective long term as a head coach.

At his best, Kelly could be a Belichick. A guy who really is smarter than the rest of us, wholly dedicated to football, but not inclined to relate to the fan or the press. Remember Belichick was not immediately successful and only has been after he got his QB.

There are not very many special coaches out there. It would be a mistake to give up on Kelly until you know for sure that he is not one of those rare special coaches. I think its too soon to tell whether Kelly is one of those or not. As Kelly once said about QB's they are like teabags....you don't know what you have until you put them in hot water. These next 6 games should be telling on that.

 

[L.Freamon]

So my question for fellow eagles fans here, who would you want to bring in as the next HC if this rumor has legs?
This would be my choice and I know it's not possible because this coach is under contract with another NFL team now, but I really like Bill O'Brian. I think he would fit nicely in the current state the Eagles are in. He has both college and NFL experience. He doesn't appear to be an ego maniac, any PSU fan probably would agree. My GM I'd be okay with Banner again. Thoughts?

Bill O'Brien cant seem to stay put any where. f him.

 

[DaEagles]

Maclin and Mathis are really the only bad deals, and arguably that is more on the player.
.

Care to elaborate on how Mathis was a bad deal?

 

[Iggloo]

Deerpathdave still in denial I see.

Bradford wasn't a bad deal?

Demarco Murray wasn't a bad deal?

Byron Maxwell wasn't a bad deal?

GTFO

 

[deerpathdave]

Care to elaborate on how Mathis was a bad deal?

It was really unfortunate for both Mathis and the team that they couldn't work together. He wanted too much money and wasn't being a team player, but the team would have been better on the field with him around.

 

[deerpathdave]

Deerpathdave still in denial I see.

Bradford wasn't a bad deal?

Demarco Murray wasn't a bad deal?

Byron Maxwell wasn't a bad deal?

GTFO

Bradford > Foles
Murray = McCoy
Maxwell > Williams

These deals made the Eagles more talented on the field in 2016

 

[DutchBird]

Deerpathdave still in denial I see.

A lot of arguing from hindsight, selective amnesia and apples and oranges comparisons seem to be involved from your side as well. And Deerpahtdave makes a lot of very valid points, even if there is disagreement possible about the relative role these points play in the current mess (or how easy it is to get out of it).

Bradford wasn't a bad deal?

In hindsight the 2nd rounder might be a bit too much. But how else would we be able to get a QB that might be good enough to compete for a Super Bowl. Foles and Sanchez definitely were not good enough; Bradford has proven (progressively) to be a better QB than both, and was actually still improving. And in fact selling the franchize was not enough to actually get the half-decent QB prospects in the draft this year.

Funny, I saw a whole lot of Sanchez last Sunday that was as bad or worse than anything Bradford has done this season. I see some people going completely ballistic when Bradford throws a ball where the WR can get two hands on it, and yet the WR's fails to catch it because it was 0.5 inches behind him or over his head, screaming for Bradford to be benched. When Sanchez murders Matthews, overthrows Sproles or Celek a number of times as bad anything Bradford has done this season, they are completely silent. Same with the utter silence on the 2nd INT, while Agholor was wide open. The INT last week was as bad or worse than the one Bradford threw in week 2, and again, comparative silence (people were as mad at Austin).

Same with the nonsense that Bradford is not an upgrade over Nick Foles - where people desperately cling to the 2013 season - even though it is clear that that season was a complete abberation on Foles' part, and many suffer selective amnesia as far as his performance in 2014 goes.

Part of the problem with Bradford is (a) the injury moniker (justified or not), and (b) the stark difference between the Bradford in the pre-season and the season itself. Already fairly early in the season a number of writers pointed out that for most QB's it even takes a full season of games to fully come back from an ACL. They pointed at among others McNabb and Brady who had one of the worst seasons in their career the season they returned from an ACL.

The issue with Bradford is that he is not Marcus Mariota. This is a rinse/repeat of McNabb vs Ricky Williams, complete with the attitudes of the fan base and the media.

Demarco Murray wasn't a bad deal?

Could be argued he was/is. That said, as spectacular as Shady could be, salary cap alone posed problems for him remaining here. And how quickly do some people forget the frustration of McCoy dancing behind the line and losing big yards; IIRC it was Football Outsiders that ranked McCoy as one of the worst RB's as far as losing yardage goes (i.e. yardage lost because the RB f'ed up, not the line) in the whole of the NFL. And the numbers were baaaaaad.

Byron Maxwell wasn't a bad deal?

Everybody knew we had to overpay big to get a CB in here, and Maxwell was the best out there, or at least was thought so at the time. The vast majority of people found the move acceptable (knowing full well he was overpaid) for the situation the Eagles were in. Has Maxwell made mistakes? Yes. Could he on occasion be a better tackler? Yes. That said - and this is on Billy Davis and Chip Kelly - he could also be used better.

 

[deerpathdave]

In hindsight the 2nd rounder might be a bit too much. But how else would we be able to get a QB that might be good enough to compete for a Super Bowl. Foles and Sanchez definitely were not good enough; Bradford has proven (progressively) to be a better QB than both, and was actually still improving. And in fact selling the franchize was not enough to actually get the half-decent QB prospects in the draft this year.

Funny, I saw a whole lot of Sanchez last Sunday that was as bad or worse than anything Bradford has done this season. I see some people going completely ballistic when Bradford throws a ball where the WR can get two hands on it, and yet the WR's fails to catch it because it was 0.5 inches behind him or over his head, screaming for Bradford to be benched. When Sanchez murders Matthews, overthrows Sproles or Celek a number of times as bad anything Bradford has done this season, they are completely silent. Same with the utter silence on the 2nd INT, while Agholor was wide open. The INT last week was as bad or worse than the one Bradford threw in week 2, and again, comparative silence (people were as mad at Austin).

Same with the nonsense that Bradford is not an upgrade over Nick Foles - where people desperately cling to the 2013 season - even though it is clear that that season was a complete abberation on Foles' part, and many suffer selective amnesia as far as his performance in 2014 goes.

Part of the problem with Bradford is (a) the injury moniker (justified or not), and (b) the stark difference between the Bradford in the pre-season and the season itself. Already fairly early in the season a number of writers pointed out that for most QB's it even takes a full season of games to fully come back from an ACL. They pointed at among others McNabb and Brady who had one of the worst seasons in their career the season they returned from an ACL.

The issue with Bradford is that he is not Marcus Mariota. This is a rinse/repeat of McNabb vs Ricky Williams, complete with the attitudes of the fan base and the media.

I could very well see Kelly doubling down on Bradford in 2016 and either sinking or swimming both their careers based on how it plays out.

 

[Iggloo]

We are all looking at this in hindsight. But bottom line is all those deals look terrible. Spin it however you want.

 

[deerpathdave]

We are all looking at this in hindsight. But bottom line is all those deals look terrible. Spin it however you want.

The hindsight is all about 4-6. Look at each deal individually and you see a fairly strong record for Kelly the GM. I am more worried about Kelly the coach than Kelly the GM.

Byron Maxwell >> Carey Williams
Malcolm Jenkins >> whoever
Nate Thurmond >> Nate Allen
Jordan Hicks >> whoever
Brandon Graham >> Trent Cole (in 2015)
Darren Sproles >> any third RB
Zach Ertz >> whoever
Lane Johnson >> whoever
Every RG started > Herremans (in 2015)
Ryan Mathews >> just about any #2 back

DeMarco Murray = McCoy
Bradford > Foles, (but not Foles plus a 2)
Agholor (in 2015) < Maclin (arguably not a choice that Kelly made, Maclin made it)
Barbre = Mathis (in 2015, and shows up for work at much less money)
DJAX > Cooper (but one can argue that Maclin would not have extended if DJAX stayed). Maclin > DJAX

 

[PhillyGreen]

If it is going to happen the best time would be at the end of the season. There is talent on this team and it can be built upon.