Stafford: keep or new QB?

[TBBishop]

It's just one of those sticky situations where it's like, do we pay our own home grown guy or let someone else? And there's no guarantee saved money auto equals success by spending elsewhere. Look at the Lions.

Sometimes you just gotta pay the guys you have and not gamble that someone better will come along for cheaper. MCCoy ain't perfect, but he's one of the best players Tampa has drafted in a long time.

So the Lions would be in the same situation with Levy, right? I mean hind sight, if Levy is ruined, it was a bad deal. But based on production, before the injury, it was a great deal. They had to pay him and he had earned more than Lavonte David based on production but took a more team friendly deal. David is fully healthy and doesn't have much better numbers than Levy this season (he doesn't fit the system IMO). Every signing is a gamble, a sticky situation as you say, and I think Tampa lost the gamble on both just as the Lions are losing the gamble on Levy so far.

 

[RobBase]

So the Lions would be in the same situation with Levy, right? I mean hind sight, if Levy is ruined, it was a bad deal. But based on production, before the injury, it was a great deal. They had to pay him and he had earned more than Lavonte David based on production but took a more team friendly deal. David is fully healthy and doesn't have much better numbers than Levy this season (he doesn't fit the system IMO). Every signing is a gamble, a sticky situation as you say, and I think Tampa lost the gamble on both just as the Lions are losing the gamble on Levy so far.

I don't think much of Levy. Just a guy for the first several years of his career, started playing well once we got Ansah in front of him then had his best year playing behind our once in a lifetime line. I would not have re-signed him until seeing him play all year this year.

I thought David got a much larger contract than Levy? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

 

[Stomp]

So the Lions would be in the same situation with Levy, right? I mean hind sight, if Levy is ruined, it was a bad deal. But based on production, before the injury, it was a great deal. They had to pay him and he had earned more than Lavonte David based on production but took a more team friendly deal. David is fully healthy and doesn't have much better numbers than Levy this season (he doesn't fit the system IMO). Every signing is a gamble, a sticky situation as you say, and I think Tampa lost the gamble on both just as the Lions are losing the gamble on Levy so far.

Levy was a good signing his contract was cheap for his production. Levy would have been stupid to disclose his injury during negotiations and i'm pretty sure the team can't demand a physical for a contract extension so him being hurt really isn't on Mayhew. Hopefully he comes back healthy next year and the new staff puts a strong D-line in front of him so he can get back to producing.

 

[TBBishop]

I don't think much of Levy. Just a guy for the first several years of his career, started playing well once we got Ansah in front of him then had his best year playing behind our once in a lifetime line. I would not have re-signed him until seeing him play all year this year.

I thought David got a much larger contract than Levy? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

Yea Bro most players take a few years to get acclimated to the NFL (or NBA, NHL, MLB or any other pro league in the entire world). I'm not exactly sure why you'd downgrade a 3rd round pick for taking a few years to develop because develop he did. Yea, he had a great line in front of him but he was stout against the run, he could cover most any tight end or running back, he was always around the ball, he fast and instinctive. He didn't lead the league (finished second I think) in interceptions AS A LINEBACKER because the line was so good. I can't agree with that. Over the past 2 years he was the best 4-3 WLB in the league and he didn't stumble into it.

And that was my point about David. Levy commanded a contract at least equal to what David got. David got 2 or 3 million more per year on average. They had no way to know Levy would get injured so the deal was an absolute steal by market value based on production.

 

[TBBishop]

Levy was a good signing his contract was cheap for his production. Levy would have been stupid to disclose his injury during negotiations and i'm pretty sure the team can't demand a physical for a contract extension so him being hurt really isn't on Mayhew. Hopefully he comes back healthy next year and the new staff puts a strong D-line in front of him so he can get back to producing.

So did I miss that everyone assumes Levy was hurt before he resigned? I ask because he went from full practice participant for weeks, playing in a couple of preseason games if I remember correctly to being shut down. Have I smoked out my memory and he was hobble all of camp or did he get hurt during camp?

 

[Stomp]

So did I miss that everyone assumes Levy was hurt before he resigned? I ask because he went from full practice participant for weeks, playing in a couple of preseason games if I remember correctly to being shut down. Have I smoked out my memory and he was hobble all of camp or did he get hurt during camp?

He signed the extension then started sitting out because of a "minor" undisclosed injury the next week. He was hiding his injury.Heres a short timeline for you from KFFL

"Lions | DeAndre Levy extension update


Thu, 06 Aug 2015 10:50:23 -0700

Updating a previous report, Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy signed a four-year extension worth $33.72 million. The team includes $20 million in guaranteed money."

"Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:13:55 -0700

Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy (undisclosed) did not participate in practice Friday, Aug. 7. Head coach Jim Caldwell said Levy tweaked something earlier in the week, but the injury is considered minor."


"Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:35:46 -0700

Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy (undisclosed) did not participate in practice for the second straight day Wednesday, Aug. 26, because of an undisclosed injury."

Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:35:46 -0700

Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy (undisclosed) did not participate in practice for the second straight day Wednesday, Aug. 26, because of an undisclosed injury."

"Wed, 09 Sep 2015 14:07:38 -0700

Detroit Lions OG Larry Warford (ankle), DT Caraun Reid (ankle) and LB DeAndre Levy (hip) did not participate in practice Wednesday, Sept. 9. OT LaAdrian Waddle (elbow) and LB Tahir Whitehead (elbow) were limited during practice."

"Wed, 04 Nov 2015 10:54:16 -0800

Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy (hip) was placed on the Reserve/Injured list Wednesday, Nov. 4."

 

[Old Lion]

My guess is he tore his labrum in his hip. Its an easy injury to hide as you can walk fine, but can not run full speed or cut much at all. Some tears dont require surgery if they are small enough and you dont do any extreme physical activity. For pro athletes though it usually does if they want to get back to what they were. Most weekend warriors and amateur athletes dont realize how much power comes from the hips.

 

[Rollingthndr]

You're a stupid fucking homer picking them to win 10 games, I'm stupid picking them to win 6. Is that what you want to hear?

They should match those 6 wins. Martha said they are going to start winning now

 

[Rollingthndr]

I'm not saying at all that McCoy isn't a top DT, just that it was insanely foolish to pay him as much as they did. He simply hasn't earned it. He's always hurt. He disappears for long stretches. He'll never reach his potential because he doesn't have that nasty streak a DT needs.

I never saw the love for McCoy either. Never seen a dominating stretches of games or anything.

 

[Rollingthndr]

He signed the extension then started sitting out because of a "minor" undisclosed injury the next week. He was hiding his injury.Heres a short timeline for you from KFFL

"Lions | DeAndre Levy extension update


Thu, 06 Aug 2015 10:50:23 -0700

Updating a previous report, Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy signed a four-year extension worth $33.72 million. The team includes $20 million in guaranteed money."

"Fri, 07 Aug 2015 16:13:55 -0700

Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy (undisclosed) did not participate in practice Friday, Aug. 7. Head coach Jim Caldwell said Levy tweaked something earlier in the week, but the injury is considered minor."


"Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:35:46 -0700

Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy (undisclosed) did not participate in practice for the second straight day Wednesday, Aug. 26, because of an undisclosed injury."

Wed, 26 Aug 2015 13:35:46 -0700

Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy (undisclosed) did not participate in practice for the second straight day Wednesday, Aug. 26, because of an undisclosed injury."

"Wed, 09 Sep 2015 14:07:38 -0700

Detroit Lions OG Larry Warford (ankle), DT Caraun Reid (ankle) and LB DeAndre Levy (hip) did not participate in practice Wednesday, Sept. 9. OT LaAdrian Waddle (elbow) and LB Tahir Whitehead (elbow) were limited during practice."

"Wed, 04 Nov 2015 10:54:16 -0800

Detroit Lions LB DeAndre Levy (hip) was placed on the Reserve/Injured list Wednesday, Nov. 4."

Desperation signing from MM after he lost out on Suh. Then found out he bought damaged goods and told Caldwell to keep it hush hush.

 

[broncosmitty]

Desperation signing from MM after he lost out on Suh. Then found out he bought damaged goods and told Caldwell to keep it hush hush.

Atleast he didn't extend Ngata and Tag Levy.

I figured that dumbfuck would do both before he finally got let loose.

Shoulda been fired the same hour Suh signed his deal in Miami.

 

[RobBase]

Shoulda been fired the same hour Suh signed his deal in Miami.

Lions season, and Mayhew's career ended that very second.

 

[RobBase]

Desperation signing from MM after he lost out on Suh. Then found out he bought damaged goods and told Caldwell to keep it hush hush.

Prob had a lot to do w his firing. I'm sure the FO knows the truth. Chris Houston V2.

 

[RobBase]

Report: Saints would allow Sean Payton to explore coaching options - CBSSports.com

Interesting.

 

[GNG]

Report: Saints would allow Sean Payton to explore coaching options - CBSSports.com

The Cowboys would be his preferred destination.

 

[RobBase]

The Cowboys would be his preferred destination.

Probably.

 

[RobBase]

My guess is he tore his labrum in his hip. Its an easy injury to hide as you can walk fine, but can not run full speed or cut much at all. Some tears dont require surgery if they are small enough and you dont do any extreme physical activity. For pro athletes though it usually does if they want to get back to what they were. Most weekend warriors and amateur athletes dont realize how much power comes from the hips.

I'd like to think athletes of all ages with any kind of competent coaches know that your power comes from your hips. This is especially true in football.

 

[RobBase]

The Cowboys would be his preferred destination.

Garrett gong nowhere tho.

 

[RobBase]

Interesting story here. Says Stafford never bought into Lombardi's offense.

Stafford never bought into Lions ex-OC Joe Lombardi - NFL.com

"Stafford never really bought in to offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi," Rapoport said. "He was essentially nursing a hangover from the loss of Scott Linehan, his preferred offensive coordinator. (Stafford and Lombardi) were never on the same page. The hope now is with new offensive coordinator Jim Bob Cooter, that Stafford will get back to what he was doing two years ago."

 

[RobBase]

Stafford the QB the Lions want for future, Quinn says

Quinn says KEEP.