Kam Chancellor Hold out?

[gohusk]

I don't know what to make of the Kam bashing. Ask Vernon Davis or other TE's about his coverage skills. Why do you think we can play such tight press defense? The guy owns the second level and he's the biggest enforcer on that level in the league. He's a ball hawk on top of it.

I wan't him back but the team shouldn't budge. But saying he's easily replaced is ridiculous. The #1 and #2 safeties play in seattle and the order is debatable. Him leaving would be a huge blow.

 

[JMR]

Kam is great but replaceable.

That's a stretch. He's replaceable in terms of we would find a guy to put in that spot who could perform adequately, but they're not going to bring what Kam brings. He's a one of a kind type player.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

That's a stretch. He's replaceable in terms of we would find a guy to put in that spot who could perform adequately, but they're not going to bring what Kam brings. He's a one of a kind type player.

He really is ... Brings an intimidation back there ... TE's don't like him very much ...

 

[Wolverine830872]

It seems that this contract situation would be easily solved if we were simply to make part of Kam's future contract guaranteed. But for some reason we might not even be willing to do that. Makes me wonder if the FO is ready to move on from Kam after this year anyways. As other posters have pointed out, Kam is somewhat replaceable and he isn't a key cog in our defensive scheme.

On the flip side, I've heard rumors (and they are just rumors as far as I'm concerned) that Kam has a spending problem and is essentially broke and desperately needs more money because of the financial hole he has dug himself. If that is the case, then holding out and losing a chunk of his salary is going to make things MUCH worse for him. If that is all true, then I can see the team giving him an ultimatum saying that if he comes back by a certain date, then we'll waive all of the fees that he incurred

 

[fordman84]

At some point honestly it wont matter.... the number of guys that hold out, only to come back and then immediately get hurt cause they didn't have a full training camp is staggering. The only guy I remember to miss significant time and come in off the streets and perform at the normal level is big Walt. And lets agree that he was just a different human being...hence the HOF induction.

Emmitt did it, missed two games (Dallas lost both) and came back to win the rushing title, help give Dallas a 12-4 record and HFA through the playoffs, win the SB, and Smith got SB MVP.

maybe kam is trying for the same?

 

[JMR]

It seems that this contract situation would be easily solved if we were simply to make part of Kam's future contract guaranteed. But for some reason we might not even be willing to do that.

If the FO does this for Kam, there is immediately going to be a line formed right behind Michael Bennett asking for the same exact type of treatment. Maybe not this off-season but certainly next. The immediate cap situation may not prohibit it, but then when you start doing that for 2, 3 or 4 high priced players, at some point you'll be upside down and having significant cap room tied up in guys who are not even on the team anymore.

I think the best idea I've heard so far on how to solve this came from Mike Salk this morning: take some of his salary and convert it to a signing bonus, for it will give Kam a little extra cheese now and may even free up some space to sign Evan Mathis. That way it appears as if we did it to help the team and not just give in to Kam.

Makes me wonder if the FO is ready to move on from Kam after this year anyways. As other posters have pointed out, Kam is somewhat replaceable and he isn't a key cog in our defensive scheme.

Really hard to figure why some people think this. Kam is unlike any other player in the league at his position. We could have 32 rosters at our disposal and not find someone who could come in and bring what Kam does at SS.

 

[Cloud]

Sad... trade looms.

I'm glad the Hawks is holding firm. Trade him if he's going to be this troublesome.

Of all the shit that went on this off-season with Wilson and Wagner and Graham... who would've thought the guy that's giving the Hawks the most headache is already the one that signed last season. Also the "heart and soul" of this team.

Just pissing me off now.

 

[Wolverine830872]

If the FO does this for Kam, there is immediately going to be a line formed right behind Michael Bennett asking for the same exact type of treatment. Maybe not this off-season but certainly next. The immediate cap situation may not prohibit it, but then when you start doing that for 2, 3 or 4 high priced players, at some point you'll be upside down and having significant cap room tied up in guys who are not even on the team anymore.

I think the best idea I've heard so far on how to solve this came from Mike Salk this morning: take some of his salary and convert it to a signing bonus, for it will give Kam a little extra cheese now and may even free up some space to sign Evan Mathis. That way it appears as if we did it to help the team and not just give in to Kam.



Really hard to figure why some people think this. Kam is unlike any other player in the league at his position. We could have 32 rosters at our disposal and not find someone who could come in and bring what Kam does at SS.

While true, Kam does have a unique skill set, it is very tough to spend such a high percentage of your cap on DB's and be successful. If we had to move money around, it seems that Kam would be the logical guy to cut and go cheaper as his replacement would not be asked to do as much as other guys we would have to replace

 

[JMR]

While true, Kam does have a unique skill set, it is very tough to spend such a high percentage of your cap on DB's and be successful. If we had to move money around, it seems that Kam would be the logical guy to cut and go cheaper as his replacement would not be asked to do as much as other guys we would have to replace

There aren't many guys in the league who can play all positions on the DL like Bennett either. How many guys can pound the ball like Lynch? How many free safeties can do what ET can do? The mentality of those top shelf players will be that if we did it for Kam, it needs to be done for them.

 

[gohusk]

Ship his ass off for a first rounder. If he doesn't want to play here then so be it. I'm sure there's a few teams that would give that up for him and restructure his deal.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

He's one of the highest paid strong safeties in football and he continues this pointless holdout because other teammates got there's ... Well that's how it effin works Kam.... You got yours 2 years ago...

 

[PolarVortex]

Ship his ass off for a first rounder. If he doesn't want to play here then so be it. I'm sure there's a few teams that would give that up for him and restructure his deal.

How many teams have the money that Kam wants? Seattle only has to give him a raise above whatever his present ap hit is. Other teams would have to give him the entire salary which is going to be - what? $9 million/year plus a signing bonus? Does anyone even have that kind of available cap space in early September?

What they should do is tell him he has x days (maybe 3-7 days) to report to camp or they are going to cut him. He has absolutely no leverage at all. None.

 

[blstoker]

How many teams have the money that Kam wants? Seattle only has to give him a raise above whatever his present ap hit is. Other teams would have to give him the entire salary which is going to be - what? $9 million/year plus a signing bonus? Does anyone even have that kind of available cap space in early September?

What they should do is tell him he has x days (maybe 3-7 days) to report to camp or they are going to cut him. He has absolutely no leverage at all. None.

To cut him now would be a mistake. Talk about chopping off the nose to spite the face. If they cut him, it'll cost the Hawks close to another $2 million off their cap (above what they already owe him), than to just let him sit out and stew. Besides, with is salary guaranteed this year, it'll be better for him because Seattle has to pay him whether he's on their roster or not. If it comes to cutting him or just letting him hold out - let him hold out forever, if he wants. He has no leverage - but cutting him really shouldn't be an option for the Seahawks either.

 

[WizardHawk]

Cutting him? Are people high?

At worst you trade him if it really looks like he's in it for the long haul, but cut him?

The leverage is telling him if he's back by next Moday at noon you will wave his fines to date, or at least cut it down to something smaller and after that date he has no chance to get out of those fines. That's your leverage. If he's stubborn and stays out anyway you probably have no choice but to trade him. At least if he's still out by week 3 or 4.

 

[blstoker]

Cutting him? Are people high?

At worst you trade him if it really looks like he's in it for the long haul, but cut him?

The leverage is telling him if he's back by next Moday at noon you will wave his fines to date, or at least cut it down to something smaller and after that date he has no chance to get out of those fines. That's your leverage. If he's stubborn and stays out anyway you probably have no choice but to trade him. At least if he's still out by week 3 or 4.

At what time does he lose a year on his contract? I know that if he holds out long enough his contract status does not move forward, or at least I think that's true. Either way, why trade him, play real hardball - save the dead money and make him lose a year on his career. Eventually, his hold out will cost him more than the money he is making this season.

 

[WizardHawk]

At what time does he lose a year on his contract? I know that if he holds out long enough his contract status does not move forward, or at least I think that's true. Either way, why trade him, play real hardball - save the dead money and make him lose a year on his career. Eventually, his hold out will cost him more than the money he is making this season.

I believe it's week 10 he has to report by and he likely would just so he doesn't lose that. Would you really let him get away with hurting the team for over half the season? And then when he did come back how hard do you think he would really play for you? Would you get the Kam you want/need/expect?

Ship him off to a shitty last place team with no chance at a post season and see how happy he is with his decision. Get an O lineman or some kind of depth guy out of it and laugh at him sitting home eating popcorn during the playoffs.

 

[blstoker]

I believe it's week 10 he has to report by and he likely would just so he doesn't lose that. Would you really let him get away with hurting the team for over half the season? And then when he did come back how hard do you think he would really play for you? Would you get the Kam you want/need/expect?

Yeah, I would. He shouldn't tank it when he gets back - as that would hurt him if he does ever go someplace else. He would have to come back and play like he wants to play, or other teams would be influenced about who he is as a player, not to mention he would need to come back ready to play or the rust will also hurt him in the eyes of other teams. IF he does hold out and then show up week 10 - he would have already forfeited over $3.5 million of his salary, and though don't quote me, Seattle may be able to recoup some of that in next year's cap. If he wants to hold out again next season, that's when you trade him - cause it'll cost less money to get rid of him than to keep him - that just isn't the case this season.

 

[WizardHawk]

I think there were changes in the CBA a few years back that already make it so the team has relief from cap space on his time held out. Basically the players gave up a lot in the language of how hold outs work and the teams won big time. A lot has changed since Galloway held out and ended up traded to the Cowboys. There really is nothing Kam can get out of this hold out, and yet here he still is.

FWIW I have Kam on my avatar right now and really do expect the line I spoke of was actually drawn and will be taken. I believe he will be back Monday and we will hear that some/most/all of his fines to date were waived. I don't see him sitting out and losing all that money when he really has nothing to gain.

 

[Cloud]

He's one of the highest paid strong safeties in football and he continues this pointless holdout because other teammates got there's ... Well that's how it effin works Kam.... You got yours 2 years ago...

Also, some of his teammates who are supporting him for holding out claiming he should go get his money. I dare them to restructure their contracts for less money so a portion of it could go to him. With each and every day he continue to hold out, I lose more respect for him. Even Irvin who supported the hold out from the beginning is calling for Kam to come back, because quite frankly, this team needs him.

Whatever information he's been getting, it's completely ill-advised. The first thing he need to do is dump his agent.

 

[Cloud]

Cutting him? Are people high?

At worst you trade him if it really looks like he's in it for the long haul, but cut him?

The leverage is telling him if he's back by next Moday at noon you will wave his fines to date, or at least cut it down to something smaller and after that date he has no chance to get out of those fines. That's your leverage. If he's stubborn and stays out anyway you probably have no choice but to trade him. At least if he's still out by week 3 or 4.

We'll have to see how stubborn he is because apparently, the Seahawks have offered to waive 70% of his fine and a partial guarantee for 2016. But still not expecting him for Wk 1.