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[trojanfan12]

think of all the coaches that have been hired in the last 2-3 years in the NBA

Kerr, Budenholzer, Kidd, Blatt, Stevens, etc.


Wow...why are you getting so angry over this and getting personal? I just told you- and every single coach, GM, scout, reporter- etc. will tell you that Kyrie gave pretty much ZERO effort under Scott on defense.

The Cavs had so many high picks and lotto talent and never did anything with it under Scott- and then i look at a guy like Stevens- with not nearly the upside the Cavs had- and he has the team playing hard and in contention.

Like i said- ican only tell you what i saw- and the Cavs team i saw played with basically no effort on a lot of nights- and not one player over-achieved.

No one's angry.

And you're using the Celtics as an example of being in contention? Seriously?!? The Celtics are 35-42. If the Celtics were in the West, they would be 7 games out of the 8 spot and that's with their current record. If they played a Western Conference schedule, their record wouldn't be much better than the Lakers.

Hell, if the Lakers played in the East, they'd probably be in contention for the 8 seed.

Wow, the Celtics, just Wow.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

I just showed you that they are, do and have. The guys whose balls you slobber over on a daily basis around here has credited Scott for much of his development.

You really need to stop embarrassing yourself.

I remember watching James Worthy working with the Lakers big men earlier this season at the request of Byron Scott and I saw improvement with the moves Worthy taught them, so there is no question that Wiggy needs to put that crack pipe down and back away from it slowly - very slowwlly

 

[WiggyRuss]

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look at the other coaching hires in the league in the last 2-3 years- Kerr, Budenholzer, Stevens, Kidd, Blatt,

i hope Scott does a better job in LA and gets more out his players and has more success tahn he did in cleveland- like i said- I dont have NBA TV and the Lakers are rarely on national tv anymore because of how bad they are- so i havent watched many of their games

I just know what i saw in Cleveland- and that was a lot of poor effort and underacheiving that eventually led to him being let go. I saw feuds between their building block players in Waiters and Irving- i saw their building block players do their best matador impressions on defense.

I respect Scott as a professional- but I was glad to see him leave the Cavs and wish him the best of luck where he goes.

 

[trojanfan12]

I don't care how bad this team is, they play hard every night. My co- worker and I joke all the time how a Lakers game will turn out. They will play hard and keep it close, but can't finish at the end.

ALL. SEASON. LONG.

Seriously though, as bad as they have been, that effort every single night at least makes them watchable and gives hope for the future with the guys that will be sticking around.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

think of all the coaches that have been hired in the last 2-3 years in the NBA

Kerr, Budenholzer, Kidd, Blatt, Stevens, etc.


Wow...why are you getting so angry over this and getting personal? I just told you- and every single coach, GM, scout, reporter- etc. will tell you that Kyrie gave pretty much ZERO effort under Scott on defense.

The Cavs had so many high picks and lotto talent and never did anything with it under Scott- and then i look at a guy like Stevens- with not nearly the upside the Cavs had- and he has the team playing hard and in contention.

Like i said- ican only tell you what i saw- and the Cavs team i saw played with basically no effort on a lot of nights- and not one player over-achieved.

Prove it and post the link where any one said that. I challenge you to have enough balls

 

[WiggyRuss]

No one's angry.

And you're using the Celtics as an example of being in contention? Seriously?!? The Celtics are 35-42. If the Celtics were in the West, they would be 7 games out of the 8 spot and that's with their current record. If they played a Western Conference schedule, their record wouldn't be much better than the Lakers.

Hell, if the Lakers played in the East, they'd probably be in contention for the 8 seed.

Wow, the Celtics, just Wow.

your saying youd rather have Scott than Stevens? look at that Celtics team! who is their best player? Isiah Thomas? Sullinger?

thats a guy who has gotten way more out of his team than they have talent wise. Jason Kidd in Milwaukee? he has gotten way more out of his team talent wise than they have. Same with Budd in Atlanta- like i said- when Scott was with the Cavs I think they underacheived- and they certainly had more talent then the Celtics have this year and never came close to the playoffs.

 

[trojanfan12]

I remember watching James Worthy working with the Lakers big men earlier this season at the request of Byron Scott and I saw improvement with the moves Worthy taught them, so there is no question that Wiggy needs to put that crack pipe down and back away from it slowly - very slowwlly

I agree. That's one of the things that I like that Byron does. He's not afraid to use the "resources" available to him.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

I don't care how bad this team is, they play hard every night. My co- worker and I joke all the time how a Lakers game will turn out. They will play hard and keep it close, but can't finish at the end.

I felt like some of them at the beginning of the season were down right lazy, but honestly - I have heard that many times about losing teams. What looks like laziness is often mistaken when its really just the lack of talent

 

[trojanfan12]

your saying youd rather have Scott than Stevens? look at that Celtics team! who is their best player? Isiah Thomas? Sullinger?

thats a guy who has gotten way more out of his team than they have talent wise. Jason Kidd in Milwaukee? he has gotten way more out of his team talent wise than they have. Same with Budd in Atlanta- like i said- when Scott was with the Cavs I think they underacheived- and they certainly had more talent then the Celtics have this year and never came close to the playoffs.

Yes. I'd rather have Scott. The Celtics record is purely the result of the conference they play in. Stevens hasn't gotten any more out of his team than Scott has out of the Lakers. The only difference is the conference they play in and you know it.

Do you honestly think that ANY of the teams you mentioned would be accomplishing what they are if they were in the West?

 

[WiggyRuss]

I remember watching James Worthy working with the Lakers big men earlier this season at the request of Byron Scott and I saw improvement with the moves Worthy taught them, so there is no question that Wiggy needs to put that crack pipe down and back away from it slowly - very slowwlly

like i said- the Lakers are never on national TV- and the only games i saw them were vs. the Cavs- so i have no clue what he is doing there

I can just comment on what he did for the Cavs- and for the Cavs I saw a team underacheive and give poor effor consistently over his tenure. Like i said- i can only tell you what I saw- and what i saw disheartened me- it sucked watching Kyrie and Dion develop bad habits of not moving the ball and not playing with effort. I wish him all the best- but I was glad when he was let go.

it appears that you believe he has gotten everything he could out of what he was given this year.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Yes. I'd rather have Scott. The Celtics record is purely the result of the conference they play in. Stevens hasn't gotten any more out of his team than Scott has out of the Lakers. The only difference is the conference they play in and you know it.

Do you honestly think that ANY of the teams you mentioned would be accomplishing what they are if they were in the West?

just for your information

vs. the East this year

the Lakers are 12-18 for a 40% winning percentage.

the Celtics are 23-24 for a 49% winning percentage

 

[trojanfan12]

I felt like some of them at the beginning of the season were down right lazy, but honestly - I have heard that many times about losing teams. What looks like laziness is often mistaken when its really just the lack of talent

Yeah, it can be difficult to tell sometimes. The best way to tell is by looking at the body language. Is the team into the game? Or are they just looking bored on the bench? Are they paying attention to the coach during timeouts?

When he gets beat, does have an "oh well" look on his face? Or does he look pissed? How does he respond to getting his ass kicked? Does he do like Clarkson after CP3 kicked his ass on Sunday and say the he needs to redeem himself?

Those are the tell tale signs of whether a team is being lazy or has quit. Have't seen any of that with the Lakers this year. I wonder what Byron would do if a player laid down on the bench like Kaman did last year?

 

[trojanfan12]

just for your information

vs. the East this year

the Lakers are 12-18 for a 40% winning percentage.

the Celtics are 23-24 for a 49% winning percentage

Thanks for proving my point. If the Celtics were in the West, they'd be, at best, in Sacramento/Denver territory. If the Lakers were in the East, they'd be in Detroit/Charlotte territory.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Scott coached the Cavs for 3 seasons---- in Vegas the over under for wins in those 3 seasons combined was 80. They won 64.- of course that is not all Scott.

Thanks for proving my point. If the Celtics were in the West, they'd be, at best, in Sacramento/Denver territory. If the Lakers were in the East, they'd be in Detroit/Charlotte territory.[/QUOT

if thy both played all their games in the East Boston would have about a .500 record while the Lakers would have about a .400 winning percentage.

The Celtics would end the season with approximately 7-8 more wins than the Lakers.- If both teams played all their games in the East

 

[WiggyRuss]

Conversely- the Celtics are 12-18 vs. the West for a winning percentage of .400

while the Lakers are 8-38 against the West. for a winning percentage of about .174 percent

if both teams played an 82 game schedle vs. the West- Boston would win about 33 games, while the Lakers would win about 14 games.

 

[trojanfan12]

Scott coached the Cavs for 3 seasons---- in Vegas the over under for wins in those 3 seasons combined was 80. They won 64.- of course that is not all Scott.


if thy both played all their games in the East Boston would have about a .500 record while the Lakers would have about a .400 winning percentage.

The Celtics would end the season with approximately 7-8 more wins than the Lakers.- If both teams played all their games in the East

You're not too bright are you?

The point was that in the East, the Lakers would be in the hunt for the playoffs or at least close, just like the Celtics. If the Celtics played in the West, they would have absolutely zero shot at the playoffs, just like the Lakers.

Yet somehow, you think that them doing well in a lousy conference means the coaches have them playing over their heads. They aren't playing over their heads, they are doing exactly what they should because they are in a shitty conference.

 

[trojanfan12]

Conversely- the Celtics are 12-18 vs. the West for a winning percentage of .400

while the Lakers are 8-38 against the West. for a winning percentage of about .174 percent

if both teams played an 82 game schedle vs. the West- Boston would win about 33 games, while the Lakers would win about 14 games.

If the Celtics were playing the same schedule as the Lakers, they would lose more games and they wouldn't carry a 40% winning percentage in the West for the season because it would mean more games vs. the top teams in the West.

By the same token, the Lakers are likely to do better than a 40% clip vs. the East because they would get more games against the worse teams in the East. Not sure why you can't grasp that. It's pretty simple.

 

[WiggyRuss]

You're not too bright are you?

The point was that in the East, the Lakers would be in the hunt for the playoffs or at least close, just like the Celtics. If the Celtics played in the West, they would have absolutely zero shot at the playoffs, just like the Lakers.

Yet somehow, you think that them doing well in a lousy conference means the coaches have them playing over their heads. They aren't playing over their heads, they are doing exactly what they should because they are in a shitty conference.

i mean cmon man- theCeltics had a 40% winning clip in the West- thats not too damn bad for how bad their roster is and all the trades they have made- while it doesnt get them close to the playoffs thats at least respectable.

The Lakers are at a 17% winning percentage in the West which puts them as one of the worst in the league and far from respectable- and while the Celtics are at 49% winning percentage in the East- almost .500- the Lakers are only at 40% in the East- and would be 7-8 games worse than the Celtics---

you dont think thats significant? If you dont then i dont know what to say. i do- --- as is true with everything around here- i suppose its in your own opinion. I know that you dont think much of my opnion and i cant change that.

 

[trojanfan12]

i mean cmon man- theCeltics had a 40% winning clip in the West- thats not too damn bad for how bad their roster is and all the trades they have made- while it doesnt get them close to the playoffs thats at least respectable.

The Lakers are at a 17% winning percentage in the West which puts them as one of the worst in the league and far from respectable- and while the Celtics are at 49% winning percentage in the East- almost .500- the Lakers are only at 40% in the East- and would be 7-8 games worse than the Celtics---

you dont think thats significant? If you dont then i dont know what to say. i do- --- as is true with everything around here- i suppose its in your own opinion. I know that you dont think much of my opinion and i cant change that.

Winning 40% of their games against the West doesn't mean much because they only play each team twice. If they played in the West, that would mean they play each team 4-5 times. Their winning percentage wouldn't stay the same, it would go down because that means 2-3 more games against each of the better teams.

And incidentally, No one on here thinks much of your opinion. I think pretty much everyone on here has pointed that out to you at one time or another. But that's just something else that you don't seem to grasp.

 

[WiggyRuss]

NBA: 2015 Front Office Rankings -- Top coaches

also- take this for what you will- but ESPN recently polled NBA GM's, coaches, players on the coaches and gms in the league.---- this was not a poll of ESPN reporters-

it was a poll of league execs, gms, players, coaches.

the link is above. Scott was ranked 29th in the league- behind only Derek Fisher-

again- i am highly skeptical of any kind of ESPN rankings as I think a lot of their analysts are blow-hards- but they do claim it was a poll of league execs, gms, players etc.- which i do believe carries some weight.