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[redseat]

I'll say this much it pisses me off that the Patriots constank put themselves in this terrible positions

 

[NEPatsfan]

Mike Pereira has decided to weigh in on this topic.

Pereira on Deflategate "This is cheating and it is something the league will deal with harshly"

Pereira on Deflate-Gate: This is cheating and it is something the league will deal with harshly | FOX Sports

dk I'll read that in a bit.

But the question still stands, where does this rule break, regardless if it took place or not, rank amongst the breaking of rules.

For example does it equate to punching your future spouse in the face? Not making light of that in any way, just wondering how can the league at this point assign punishment after all that has been poorly handled in the past year +

So putting team faithfullness aside, myself included, what should the punishment be if true?

 

[FlyerFinFan]

And you are either a moron or lying. The officials knew exatly what was going on and had no issue with the plays. In fact at one point an official had to act as defensive coach for the Ravens and tell the defense "don't cover 34. 34 is not eligible"

By the way you do know the officials from that game right? And you do know how they are picked/chosed for the SB right? You obviously are aware that the NFL likes to have the officials work at least one game in the playoffs, typically a Divisional round game, prior to working the SB right?

So you are then obviously aware that Vinovich is the official for the SB right? You know the guy who worked the Pats Ravs game right?

You're problem overall is that you are very poorly informed and act out of hatred of the Pats.

I have to double check the video of that game and see if it was Vinovich that actually said to the Ravens defense "don't cover 34, he's not eligible"

lmao

you're an idiot.

It was an obscure formation that is barely used so of course the refs fumbled it. I'm not saying that they are bad refs but due to this and the lack of time they had they mishandled it. Part of this is on the ravens no doubt as they could have been more on the ball but when the refs lose control and it directly hurts the defenses ability to defend yes it's taking advantage of the system. BB does this all the time and he pushed it even further with deflategate. Maybe you should try to get hired defending hernandez or something you love losing causes...now that would be entertainment.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

So using you're logic, the deflating of a football by a couple of psi ranks where within the list of rule breakings? Keep in mind it had no effect on the outcome of the game in question.

So what should the penalty be?

The league takes this pretty seriously and we'll all find out shortly. Tampering with equipment is pretty bad especially if it affects the players abilities. They banned stick'em for a reason...

 

[NEPatsfan]

It was an obscure formation that is barely used so of course the refs fumbled it. I'm not saying that they are bad refs but due to this and the lack of time they had they mishandled it. Part of this is on the ravens no doubt as they could have been more on the ball but when the refs lose control and it directly hurts the defenses ability to defend yes it's taking advantage of the system. BB does this all the time and he pushed it even further with deflategate. Maybe you should try to get hired defending hernandez or something you love losing causes...now that would be entertainment.

The problem with your version is the fact the officials never lost control of the situation and were spot on the entire time. But that doesn't fit into your narrative you have already come to.

So how do you explain your comments regarding which officials are calling games? I noticed you left that part out.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

Yeah slight of hand from the coach within the framework of rules legally. And that's Belichicks fault? HS. They pulled a different set of slight of hand against the Colts and the refs and Colts were supposedly better prepared and they still fooled them with big plays.

Look it's obviously not as bad as deflategate but he still took advantage of the refs inability to handle a rare set of rules in the book. Compound it with everything else and it shows a need on his part to push the envelope. I've been over this a million times with you fools you are only defending all of this because it's your team. You are just making yourself more foolish and I'm foolish for even attempting to make you understand how ridiculous you are...

 

[NEPatsfan]

Look it's obviously not as bad as deflategate but he still took advantage of the refs inability to handle a rare set of rules in the book. Compound it with everything else and it shows a need on his part to push the envelope. I've been over this a million times with you fools you are only defending all of this because it's your team. You are just making yourself more foolish and I'm foolish for even attempting to make you understand how ridiculous you are...

Yet you're not a fool for simply pushing the narrative while ignoring known facts.


Still waiting your your explanation regarding your comments surrounding who the officials are for the games.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

I'll say this much it pisses me off that the Patriots constank put themselves in this terrible positions

Exactly as it compounds. The pats seem to be the only team constantly in the middle of this shit that's why it becomes such a big story. Either way its not right but one team can't keep doing this stuff...

 

[NEPatsfan]

Exactly as it compounds. The pats seem to be the only team constantly in the middle of this shit that's why it becomes such a big story. Either way its not right but one team can't keep doing this stuff...

So let's get back to the facts of everything.

We don't know if the Patriots actually did anything wrong in this incident, may have, but we don't know yet.

But of course you believe it regardless.


Soooooo your comment about the officials that you got so drastically wrong? Nothing?

 

[dkmightyhammer]

dk I'll read that in a bit.

But the question still stands, where does this rule break, regardless if it took place or not, rank amongst the breaking of rules.

For example does it equate to punching your future spouse in the face? Not making light of that in any way, just wondering how can the league at this point assign punishment after all that has been poorly handled in the past year +

So putting team faithfullness aside, myself included, what should the punishment be if true?

That's up to the league to decide but I'll tell you what, I would be slightly worried if I was a Pats fan. This won't effect the SB at all so need to worry about that. Even if they prove the Pats did this they will have a right to appeal and there isn't a chance that it gets done before Feb 1st. But, according to Peter King, Goodell already is already pissed with BB's handling of spygate and this could give him an opportunity to stick it to him a bit.

Here is what King wrote today:

3. If Belichick is found to be culpable, I think Goodell will come down hard on him. It’s early. We don’t yet know where the trail on this investigation will lead. So this is presuming a lot. But in reporting a Goodell story four years ago, this anecdote stuck out to me. You’ll recall that after the 2007 Spygate investigation into the Patriots’ videotaping of opposing coaches’ signals that Goodell fined Belichick $500,000 and the franchise an additional $250,000, and he docked New England a first-round draft pick. As part of the discipline, Belichick would have to make a verbal apology in front of the press that week. Instead, the coach issued a printed statement and refused to answer any questions on the topic. “I was given assurances that [Belichick] would tell his side of the story,” Goodell said at the time. “He went out and stonewalled the press. I feel like I was deceived.”

Belichick said at the time, “I did not make any assurances about thoroughly discussing the subject publicly. I said I would address it following the league’s review. I then did that in a way I thought was appropriate. I don’t think that was deceptive.’’

Goodell did. I doubt there’s much benefit-of-the-doubt here if Goodell finds that Belichick was involved in the deflating.

The commish feels he was already deceived once by BB. I agree with King, if there is a shred of proof of this I think Goodell will hammer him and the Pats hard.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

The problem with your version is the fact the officials never lost control of the situation and were spot on the entire time. But that doesn't fit into your narrative you have already come to.

So how do you explain your comments regarding which officials are calling games? I noticed you left that part out.

Learn to read. I explained that it wasn't so much that the refs are bad but its the situation that they were put into. Its an obscure rule which created confusion. The refs confusion delayed the defenses ability to play defense. Slight of hand by BB that's all. The difference with Eddlemans pass was that it happened amongst the players the refs didn't impede the D. That's football the play call was premeditated...that's why they are looking at it next year. They'll most likely give the D more time to set. My last response as you seem to be too dumb to understand...sorry.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

So let's get back to the facts of everything.

We don't know if the Patriots actually did anything wrong in this incident, may have, but we don't know yet.

But of course you believe it regardless.


Soooooo your comment about the officials that you got so drastically wrong? Nothing?

The evidence is pointing in that direction...deal with it.

I responded twice about the refs learn to read.

 

[NEPatsfan]

Learn to read. I explained that it wasn't so much that the refs are bad but its the situation that they were put into. Its an obscure rule which created confusion. The refs confusion delayed the defenses ability to play defense. Slight of hand by BB that's all. The difference with Eddlemans pass was that it happened amongst the players the refs didn't impede the D. That's football the play call was premeditated...that's why they are looking at it next year. They'll most likely give the D more time to set. My last response as you seem to be too dumb to understand...sorry.

No you actually posted about who calls the games. Go back and read. Then I pointed out that the guy that called the Pats Ravens game is the same guy calling the SB, completely dismantling your thought on the subject.

I'll wait.

 

[PatsFan2003]

Look it's obviously not as bad as deflategate but he still took advantage of the refs inability to handle a rare set of rules in the book. Compound it with everything else and it shows a need on his part to push the envelope. I've been over this a million times with you fools you are only defending all of this because it's your team. You are just making yourself more foolish and I'm foolish for even attempting to make you understand how ridiculous you are...

It's completely different then with the footballs. The complaining about it is just noise. There's nothing wrong with pushing the envelope as long it's done within the rules. That's why he's considered a good coach and why some people can't handle it when they're embarrassed like that. You're the one making yourself foolish since the complaints are more of same vague crap.

The problem is when he pushes it past the rules and he should know better at this point.

I've been a fan for while and it's clear he tries to do that much more then he used to. He talks about how he coaches people on what are legal hits and what aren't. Same with pass interference.

 

[NEPatsfan]

FFF said "Once the refs got their shit straight they didn't work any more but in the meantime the ravens got screwed in that game as it got the pats right back in it. Either way that was a factor and to say that you don't think that having a better grip on the football helped the pats then why are we all here discussing it???"

Vinovich is working the SB, just saying.

 

[FlyerFinFan]

No you actually posted about who calls the games. Go back and read. Then I pointed out that the guy that called the Pats Ravens game is the same guy calling the SB, completely dismantling your thought on the subject.

I'll wait.

WTF are talking about? I've said my piece take it or leave it. I bet that the competition committee will adjust the rule we'll discuss it then.

In any case you have more to worry about what's happening right now as you may not have a coach to defend soon. Kraft may be sick of this already...

 

[FlyerFinFan]

FFF said "Once the refs got their shit straight they didn't work any more but in the meantime the ravens got screwed in that game as it got the pats right back in it. Either way that was a factor and to say that you don't think that having a better grip on the football helped the pats then why are we all here discussing it???"

Vinovich is working the SB, just saying.

You don't get the point that it doesn't matter who ref'd that game no one was prepared for the situation. Worst or best ref it was mishandled and once they got things straightened out the formation had 0 effect. A gimmick is one thing but abusing the ref's is another and that's basically what happened. Anyway I'm out of here carry on with your deflection and we'll see what happens tomorrow.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

It's completely different then with the footballs. The complaining about it is just noise. There's nothing wrong with pushing the envelope as long it's done within the rules. That's why he's considered a good coach and why some people can't handle it when they're embarrassed like that. You're the one making yourself foolish since the complaints are more of same vague crap.

I didn't have any problem with those formations. They were legal and within the rules even if Harbaugh was confused by them. This ball thing though is different if its true. Even if someone believes it had no effect or is a stupid rule the fact is (if proven) that someone on the Pats staff intentionally set out to knowingly, sneakily, break the rules in a premeditated way.

 

[PatsFan2003]

WTF are talking about? I've said my piece take it or leave it. I bet that the competition committee will adjust the rule we'll discuss it then.

In any case you have more to worry about what's happening right now as you may not have a coach to defend soon. Kraft may be sick of this already...

Kraft would be an idiot if he did that. There ain't no perfect coaches in this league. Even with this crap he's proven his worth many times over.

 

[NEPatsfan]

You don't get the point that it doesn't matter who ref'd that game no one was prepared for the situation. Worst or best ref it was mishandled and once they got things straightened out the formation had 0 effect. A gimmick is one thing but abusing the ref's is another and that's basically what happened. Anyway I'm out of here carry on with your deflection and we'll see what happens tomorrow.

So what did you mean by "they didn't work anymore"?

Actually the refs were fully prepared for it. You should probably read up on it a bit more. The refs were so ready for it they had to actually coach the Ravens on it, "don't cover #34, he is not eligible"


Any way you can't come up with a factual case to defend your position.