This is comical....yeah no SEC bias

[WVUDAD]

Yes there is a way. Alabama beat WVU, and Auburn beat K-State and these are 2 of the top teams from the Big12.

Played on the field and all that jazz.

Basically, what you are wanting to do is punish teams for being in tough conferences and reward teams for being in easy conferences with easy play off births. The majority of time it will be conference champions by default, but if it isn't - there is a reason for it.

Marshall has not been beating people soundly, they were losing against FAU this past week until 3 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and didn't put them away until middle of the 4th quarter. Meanwhile, Alabama played FAU and won 41-0 and had backups in during the same time that FAU was winning against Marshall.

Then lets just do away with any notion of playing for a title and just let four SEC teams play a "playoff" as CLEARLY the top four SEC teams, hell, the top eight SEC teams are better than the champions of ANY other league, we all know UK would win the B12, ACC, B11, and PAC??, right?

Marshall is winning 46-16 on average, pretty soundly winning, if you ask me. What YOU are doing is unfairly punishing good teams for playing in a weaker conference, ALL conference champions deserve a shot. If you want to be in the playoff, win your league, nothing at all unfair there.

 

[uncfan103]

Computers have LSU in the top10(#9 average).

College Football Ranking Composite

So, when every single source from humans, to data driven computers are suggesting something, at what point does it become a matter of - well maybe it's not bias and maybe they are just right? Is there really even a single legitimate source out there that shows anything else?

Just out of curiosity, how do these computer polls work? I'm guessing a majority of them have some type of human element. I'm guessing preseason rankings and other meaningless things like that are included.

 

[4down20]

Then lets just do away with any notion of playing for a title and just let four SEC teams play a "playoff" as CLEARLY the top four SEC teams, hell, the top eight SEC teams are better than the champions of ANY other league, we all know UK would win the B12, ACC, B11, and PAC??, right?

Marshall is winning 46-16 on average, pretty soundly winning, if you ask me. What YOU are doing is unfairly punishing good teams for playing in a weaker conference, ALL conference champions deserve a shot. If you want to be in the playoff, win your league, nothing at all unfair there.

This is not a SEC thing. While the SEC may be on top now, it won't be that way forever. Not too long ago it would have been the Big10 with 2 teams rightfully in the playoffs, and also a few years ago 2 Big12 teams.

I'm not unfairly punishing anyone. If a conference champion is undefeated in that weaker conference then they are going to go. Every single team in the country that belongs to a Power5 conference controls their own destiny to the playoffs, until you lose. Alabama no longer controls it's destiny, we may get left out - you don't see us crying about it.

 

[4down20]

Just out of curiosity, how do these computer polls work? I'm guessing a majority of them have some type of human element. I'm guessing preseason rankings and other meaningless things like that are included.

Mine worked 100% of stats off the current year and as far as I know so do most all the others. The only human element involved is the formula itself.

No, preseason rankings mean nothing. Not even the rankings from the week before means anything.

Not sure why you would think such things were needed for computer polls.

 

[WVUDAD]

This is not a SEC thing. While the SEC may be on top now, it won't be that way forever. Not too long ago it would have been the Big10 with 2 teams rightfully in the playoffs, and also a few years ago 2 Big12 teams.

I'm not unfairly punishing anyone. If a conference champion is undefeated in that weaker conference then they are going to go. Every single team in the country that belongs to a Power5 conference controls their own destiny to the playoffs, until you lose. Alabama no longer controls it's destiny, we may get left out - you don't see us crying about it.

Are you saying Marshall will go to the four team "playoff" if they finish this season undefeated as the CUSA champion?

 

[4down20]

Are you saying Marshall will go to the four team "playoff" if they finish this season undefeated as the CUSA champion?

No, they aren't in a P5 conference.

 

[Anotherwvufan]

I look at it this way. If the committee makes strong preference to conference champs, we have about 39 teams that are still alive to win their conference championship. It would make the regular season have so much more meaning for teams that could have no chance. Teams like Nebraska, WVU, Arizona, and even Duke could still claim to be alive and have a good chance if they win out.

The SEC may well have the best 4 teams in the country this year. They will surely win the recruiting wars and have the most draft picks. They don't need multiple teams in the playoff spots at the expense of the whole sport. In the NFL most every team is still alive. Take care of your division and you are in. Sometimes an 8-8 team gets in when an 11 win team is left out.

If we try to pick the best teams by looking at quality wins and embarrassing losses, it comes down to a matter of opinion who is more deserving. If we look first to conference champs, then the debate goes to which conference, or two gets left out. Conference championships would have real meaning. Look at the ACC Florida State v. Duke cc game. Duke could beat the top team have only one loss and still have no real chance of going to the playoff.

If the committee comes up with Miss State, Alabama, FSU, and ND, I'll puke.

 

[4down20]

I look at it this way. If the committee makes strong preference to conference champs, we have about 39 teams that are still alive to win their conference championship. It would make the regular season have so much more meaning for teams that could have no chance. Teams like Nebraska, WVU, Arizona, and even Duke could still claim to be alive and have a good chance if they win out.

The SEC may well have the best 4 teams in the country this year. They will surely win the recruiting wars and have the most draft picks. They don't need multiple teams in the playoff spots at the expense of the whole sport. In the NFL most every team is still alive. Take care of your division and you are in. Sometimes an 8-8 team gets in when an 11 win team is left out.

If we try to pick the best teams by looking at quality wins and embarrassing losses, it comes down to a matter of opinion who is more deserving. If we look first to conference champs, then the debate goes to which conference, or two gets left out. Conference championships would have real meaning. Look at the ACC Florida State v. Duke cc game. Duke could beat the top team have only one loss and still have no real chance of going to the playoff.

If the committee comes up with Miss State, Alabama, FSU, and ND, I'll puke.

^ Football Obama.

Did we forget we were trying to decide who is the national champion?

 

[Anotherwvufan]

This is not a SEC thing. While the SEC may be on top now, it won't be that way forever. Not too long ago it would have been the Big10 with 2 teams rightfully in the playoffs, and also a few years ago 2 Big12 teams.

I'm not unfairly punishing anyone. If a conference champion is undefeated in that weaker conference then they are going to go. Every single team in the country that belongs to a Power5 conference controls their own destiny to the playoffs, until you lose. Alabama no longer controls it's destiny, we may get left out - you don't see us crying about it.

Alabama gets a mulligan in your world...you may get left out teams in every other power 5 conference must go undefeated in your world. Guess what parity exists in just more than the top half of the SEC. every conference beats up on each other and unless there is a clearly dominating team, everybody suffers losses. Even Bama with its string of top classes and championships lose now and then. You have the best athletes, depth, coaching, facilities, etc, but how can you even say your the best on the field when you can't win your own division

 

[Anotherwvufan]

^ Football Obama.

Did we forget we were trying to decide who is the national champion?

How about on the field and not in the press.

 

[4down20]

Alabama gets a mulligan in your world...you may get left out teams in every other power 5 conference must go undefeated in your world. Guess what parity exists in just more than the top half of the SEC. every conference beats up on each other and unless there is a clearly dominating team, everybody suffers losses. Even Bama with its string of top classes and championships lose now and then. You have the best athletes, depth, coaching, facilities, etc, but how can you even say your the best on the field when you can't win your own division

Are you new to college football? Be honest.

Because in previous years it would have been other conferences with 2 teams in the playoffs, not the SEC.

In 2006 the Big10 would have likely had 2 with Michigan and Ohio St.

In 2008 the Big12 would have had 2 with Oklahoma and Texas.

etc.

The fact is this - the only people who actually have conference bias right now are the ones that are upset that a conference can get more than 1 team in the playoff. Because they are mad it's not their conference.

And as for Alabama and 2011 - Alabama won the National Championship on the field and beat the #1 team 21-0 while the #1 team never even crossed the 50 yard line in the game. Complete domination.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that if WVU was rated as the #3 team in the country, but Oklahoma whom you lost to happened to win your conference you don't believe you should be allowed a chance at the title? And that teams that are clearly not as good as you are - should be allowed instead? Because IMO, that would be lame. You going to take some 9-4 Big10 champion over you like Wisconsin has been for the past few years? Really?

 

[4down20]

How about on the field and not in the press.

Yeah, that's called the regular season.

 

[Mike]

I say wait till the end of the season and then gripe, and no DAD I don't care if Marshall goes undefeated, they do NOT deserve to be in the conversation. I use to buy into the hype of how good we were, until the reality called the Big 12 hit us right in the mouth. I don't know how many of them BCS bowls we would have been in if we had been in the Big 12. It is a difference playing these teams week in and week out. If the teams in the weaker conferences want in on the conversions, then schedule stronger teams OOC.

 

[WVUDAD]

I say wait till the end of the season and then gripe, and no DAD I don't care if Marshall goes undefeated, they do NOT deserve to be in the conversation. I use to buy into the hype of how good we were, until the reality called the Big 12 hit us right in the mouth. I don't know how many of them BCS bowls we would have been in if we had been in the Big 12. It is a difference playing these teams week in and week out. If the teams in the weaker conferences want in on the conversions, then schedule stronger teams OOC.

if the "stronger" teams are really stronger, they would beat the team's that "don't belong" a playoff needs to give everyone a shot, when going into the season half the team's playing football AT THE SAME LEVEL are not eligible to "win" the "title" it is not a championship. What would you think if the nfl suddenly said all the playoff teams could only come from the afc? What if high school championships were open only to schools in the eastern half of a state? At the very least we need a 16 team playoff, all ten conference champs, and six at large teams, like basketball

 

[Anotherwvufan]

Are you new to college football? Be honest.

Because in previous years it would have been other conferences with 2 teams in the playoffs, not the SEC.

In 2006 the Big10 would have likely had 2 with Michigan and Ohio St.

In 2008 the Big12 would have had 2 with Oklahoma and Texas.

etc.

The fact is this - the only people who actually have conference bias right now are the ones that are upset that a conference can get more than 1 team in the playoff. Because they are mad it's not their conference.

And as for Alabama and 2011 - Alabama won the National Championship on the field and beat the #1 team 21-0 while the #1 team never even crossed the 50 yard line in the game. Complete domination.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that if WVU was rated as the #3 team in the country, but Oklahoma whom you lost to happened to win your conference you don't believe you should be allowed a chance at the title? And that teams that are clearly not as good as you are - should be allowed instead? Because IMO, that would be lame. You going to take some 9-4 Big10 champion over you like Wisconsin has been for the past few years? Really?

I would be rooting for Oklahoma. Would not be lame if it was lost on the field. That is where we are different my friend. You want the best teams on paper, I want the teams that have proven it on the field

Mich Ohio State was the worst NC games ever. Does not matter if they are the best teams on paper. One of the biggest failures of the BCS was this rematch.

Alabama 2011 should dominate, best coach best recruiting class every year. Just start out giving them the NC when the season starts. Why should you have to win like everyone else.

 

[Anotherwvufan]

Yeah, that's called the regular season.

And guess what, you lost. Now win the hearts and minds of the committee so you can a mulligan.

 

[4down20]

if the "stronger" teams are really stronger, they would beat the team's that "don't belong" a playoff needs to give everyone a shot, when going into the season half the team's playing football AT THE SAME LEVEL are not eligible to "win" the "title" it is not a championship. What would you think if the nfl suddenly said all the playoff teams could only come from the afc? What if high school championships were open only to schools in the eastern half of a state? At the very least we need a 16 team playoff, all ten conference champs, and six at large teams, like basketball

Uh, when you allow a team that doesn't belong - you are keeping out a team that does belong.

16 team playoff is a terrible idea and completely ruins the regular season. Do you even realize you are taking away any and all incentive to play tougher games during the year? I like that we played you guys to open the season, you would kill those kinds of games and many others like them. We need more of these games during the regular season, not less. Even among teams that don't make the playoffs you get way more quality games during the year.

I honestly don't know what some people are thinking or if they are at all with some of these suggestions.

 

[4down20]

I would be rooting for Oklahoma. Would not be lame if it was lost on the field. That is where we are different my friend. You want the best teams on paper, I want the teams that have proven it on the field

Mich Ohio State was the worst NC games ever. Does not matter if they are the best teams on paper. One of the biggest failures of the BCS was this rematch.

Alabama 2011 should dominate, best coach best recruiting class every year. Just start out giving them the NC when the season starts. Why should you have to win like everyone else.

If the other conference champion was not in the top4 and ranked above WVU in that scenario - it's because they lost games as well, probably lost MORE games and probably lost worse games.

That's what happened with Alabama in 2011. Both Alabama and OkSt lost 1 game, and they both lost 1 conference game. The difference? Alabama lost to a good team, OkSt lost to a bad team. Because Alabama lost to a team that mattered, it pushed them out of the conference championship. But because OkSt lost to a team that wouldn't have had a winning record otherwise, and was in no way a contender for the conference championship - OkSt was able to still win the conference.

So basically, in your world - it's better to lose to a horrible team in conference than to lose to a crappy team, all for the superficial title of "conference champion".

And to top it off - you talk about what happens on the field matter, but yet put so much stock into such a title.

 

[4down20]

And guess what, you lost. Now win the hearts and minds of the committee so you can a mulligan.

So you think the mulligan should go to the other teams that lost instead. Because someone is getting it. If your complaint was a team getting in over a P5 undefeated team, I could understand your complaint. But that's not what is happening here at all.

 

[WVUDAD]

Uh, when you allow a team that doesn't belong - you are keeping out a team that does belong.

16 team playoff is a terrible idea and completely ruins the regular season. Do you even realize you are taking away any and all incentive to play tougher games during the year? I like that we played you guys to open the season, you would kill those kinds of games and many others like them. We need more of these games during the regular season, not less. Even among teams that don't make the playoffs you get way more quality games during the year.

I honestly don't know what some people are thinking or if they are at all with some of these suggestions.

Explain to me how a real playoff ruins the season, if anything it makes the season more important, you would see more, not less big time games, as teams try to strengthen themselves for league play. I see a poll system, committee system, etc that has grown this myth of SEC superiority, yes the SEC has some very good teams, but that does not mean you just hand their second and third place team's a spot over other leagues champions.