MI snags Bama OC

[RegentDenali]

A couple of observations:

2. I think Bama fans that are thinking along the lines of "glad to see him go" are reacting to the 2 losses. There is no question he as a good OC, and there is no guarantee you will get one as good or better. That's just the way it is.



That is all.

Agreed. Bama fans are looking for a scapegoat after a massive drunk from success hangover is hitting them like a ton of bricks. But blaming Nuss for those two losses is absolute insanity. What I saw in the Sugar Bowl game, was a Bama loss because it's defensive backfield got torched by the Oklahoma passing attack. How would that be Nuss's fault? Nuss's offense actually kept that game from being a blowout and bailed out the Bama D.

Oklahoma hung 45 points on Bama's D in the SEC's backyard. That's where hungover Bama fans should be pointing fingers at looking for answers.

 

[MI Nightmare]

A couple of observations:

1. These are the types of things that disrupt successful programs. Like when Mullen and Strong left UF. I've been saying it would take a coaching change, QBs under performing, and a run of normal luck to derail Bama. I was thinking Saban, not OC, but again these are the types of changes you just don't know what you are going to get.

2. I think Bama fans that are thinking along the lines of "glad to see him go" are reacting to the 2 losses. There is no question he as a good OC, and there is no guarantee you will get one as good or better. That's just the way it is.

3. I think UM fans are irrational if you think any of the Bama recruits will follow the OC to UM. They are going to Bama because it is fricking Bama. They aren't going to go freeze their balls off because the OC left. And, if they don't like the OC you might see them switch to Auburn who is crazy O oriented right now.

4. My teams (UGa and Vandy) both might have some instability coming up. It seems for sure that Franklin is gone. He almost has to at this point. Interviewing for every job available won't help him recruit. And, there is a rumor that UGa OC Bobo might be interested in the Ga Southern job. They move up to BCS next year, and all OCs want to be HCs at some point in time.

That is all.

It's rare that players/commits follow coordinators to other schools. But it'd be asinine to think a good, successful, recruiter/coordinator couldn't persuade a current recruit or two to follow. Some of these kids are sold on the coaches and not the school. In this case I don't see it happening. Michigan's class is damn near full and Bama, right now, is a top 5 team. However, adding another great recruiter to the Michigan staff will only help with future classes, especially one with ties to the west coast and deep south.

Like it or not, a lot of kids can hack it in the cold weather. Michigan doesn't have a problem recruiting and weather is rarely an issue. Distance? Yes. Weather? Maybe for the pussies that will never play in cold weather at any level. But seriously, what kind of player says, "I can't play coach, it's too cold outside."

 

[RegentDenali]

Can't see any Bama recruits following Nuss to Mich, but it may cause a couple of their offensive commits to reconsider their other choices.

QB David Cornwell and WR Cameron Sims enrolled early and they are probably not too pleased with this news.

WR Derek Kief, and some of the uncommitted Bama targets at positions like WR, TE, and even Oline might go elsewhere now.

 

[4down20]

He absolutely developed AJ. Before Nuss arrrived, Alabama's QBs were glorified game managers whose job was nothing but short passes and handing off the ball to running backs. Nuss is without a doubt one of the best QB developers in the college game. He did wonders with making AJ look like an actual QB, instead of a game manager.

The 2011 Nat Championship season for Bama, your Defense was ranked #1 in conference and nationally. Your defense was ranked 1st in all 4 of the major team defensive categories. Your offense? Trent Richardson ran for 1,679 yds and 21 TDs. Your passing attack? Ranked 69th in the NCAA that year and AJ passed for 16TDs. Now because of Bama's emphasis on D first, it's not uncommon for your offense to be ranked nationally like that during NC years. That's typical for most SEC teams. But....


"On January 18, 2012, Nussmeier was announced as the new offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach for the Alabama Crimson Tide, replacing outgoing coordinator Jim McElwain. Under his guidance, junior quarterback A. J. McCarron set the school record for touchdowns in a season with 26. McCarron threw an additional four touchdowns in the 2013 BCS National Championship Game against Notre Dame in a 42–14 victory, which allowed McCarron to set another school record for career touchdown passes."

In 2011, AJ McCarron was not named to either the AP All-SEC first or second teams. In 2012, he lead the nation in pass efficency and was named to the AP & coaches All-SEC second team.

This is a total coup for Michigan to land him. Watch their QB performance stats increase dramatically in 2014. But it appears by this move that it's Saban's plan to go back to running the ball 80% of the time and QBs as game managers, then Nuss's talents would be wasted at Bama and it's best all around this happened.

AJ already had a National Championship before Nuss got there. The difference between 2011 and 2012 was our receivers. Amari Cooper was a freshman in 2012 for example and his speed opened up the deep ball off the play action, something we didn't have in 2011.

I don't care about records, they are 90% bullshit in college ball due to the differences in the quality of competition. Like when Manziel got all those records in offense, yet the records were basically broken against crappy teams while he struggled against better defenses doing basically nothing. I don't give a shit how many TD's my QB throws against a team ranked #80. I care about how well they play against LSU and other top teams when it actually matters.

And on that note, lets examine his 2012 stats. Against quality opponents he averaged about 1 passing TD per game. But he did throw 4 against Western Kentucky, 4 against Tennessee, 2 against Michigan, 3 against FAU, 4 against Auburn.

But in other games, different story. Against Georgia - 1 TD. The long bomb to Amari Cooper. Against LSU, 1 TD - the screen pass to Yeldon to win at the end. Against A&M, the game we lost - 1 TD, 2 INT.

Don't get me wrong, he's a great QB. TD's are not the only stat out there, he was a leader on offense and he made lots of plays in the moments when he needed too. I'm not putting AJ down at all, he is possibly the best QB we've had at Alabama. Every single QB in college football has the same things going on, it's the norm. I'm just saying - fuck the records.

And sure, Nuss passing more often has to help those stats. But it's about winning football games. The problem with Nuss wasn't so much that he was pass happy, it was about passing when you needed to run and vice versa. Take the A&M game in 2012. We get down in the red zone, we have the best line in college football and Eddie Lacey for a RB. We need less than 10 yards and we have 4 downs to get there. And instead of pounding the ball in for the win, we try to be cute and throw an INT. End up losing the game.

Not even close to being a coup by Michigan. All you have to do is look at the history of Kirby Smart to see what we do when we want to keep them around. But whatever, don't care. Many Alabama fans wanted him to be gone.

 

[4down20]

1.Devin Gardner

2.Shane Morris

3.Wilton Speight

4. Whomever Michigan lands in 2015.


Come on man, McCarron's been on great teams with great coaches. Watch what he does in the NFL.

You think any of those are even going to be drafted?

 

[4down20]

A couple of observations:

1. These are the types of things that disrupt successful programs. Like when Mullen and Strong left UF. I've been saying it would take a coaching change, QBs under performing, and a run of normal luck to derail Bama. I was thinking Saban, not OC, but again these are the types of changes you just don't know what you are going to get.

2. I think Bama fans that are thinking along the lines of "glad to see him go" are reacting to the 2 losses. There is no question he as a good OC, and there is no guarantee you will get one as good or better. That's just the way it is.

Disagree. Saban actually encourages coaches to move up when possible to further their career. We had McElwain in 2011, won a National Championship, he becomes HC of Colorado St, we pick up Nuss and win another National Championship the next year. Turnover is to be expected.

We've constantly lost coaches over the past years as they have moved into better positions elsewhere. Sunseri to DC at Tennessee is another that comes to mind, although he didn't do so well at it.

What Saban doesn't encourage would be a lateral move like Nuss just made. And when it comes to those kinds of moves, we have always in the past prevented those moves by paying them more than the others could. Alabama has some of the, if not the, highest paid coordinators in football. We give Smart a raise almost every year to keep him from leaving, but if Georgia comes knocking on his door - he's gonna go and Saban will support the move.

The whole thing keeps good talent wanting to come in and further their career. It's worked from what I've seen.

That he made a lateral move and we did nothing to stop it is more telling. I guess people from other schools don't pick up on that because they aren't familiar with how the system at Alabama works.

And it's not just about losses. It's about his style and not doing the right things in the right situations.

 

[4down20]

Don't pretend Nussmeier isn't a good coach. It makes you look like a child. McCarron had his best seasons under Nussmeier. So he didn't develop him straight out of high school (I'll give you that) but he definitely developed him further, which helped him set school records. Alabama's offense, the last two seasons, has kicked ass. It's your defense that let you down against Texas A&M, Auburn (with a touch of special teams) and Oklahoma.

Hoke wants to implement the same style of offense that Bama runs. As long as Nussmeier continues to recruit talent and develop QBs, we'll be set for many years.

Nuss is a good coach and I hope he has success. I'm not mad at him and I don't hate him or anything.

Do you not understand there are different styles of football?

Also, as for defense, there is a link between the offense and defense, but I don't wanna type it all out. Best way to have a great defense is to keep them off the field. But that wasn't going to help against Oklahoma, I agree there.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

You think any of those are even going to be drafted?

I think Morris has a good chance. He has everything statistically that makes a good NFL QB, he just needs some coaching. I wouldn't have guessed AJ would get an NFL spot if you had asked me 3 or 4 years ago.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I'm pretty excited about his style of football. I think it's what Borges kind of wanted to run but was always too stupid to do it. Pass heavy out of the pro set with power running. What I'm most excited about is a guy who can potentially develop QB's and the line.

 

[OnlyCrimson]

My thoughts regarding Nussmeier going to Michigan

Michigan is happy with this

Alabama is happy with this

I am happy with this

so


Nussmeier can be a great OC and he is very talented. My only negative is what he wanted to do at Alabama is right opposite of what we recruited players to do. His playcalling did not fit with what we are built to do. If Michigan wants to be a pass first team and has the players to support it then you guys will be very happy with him.

Roll Tide

 

[bamabear82]

Nussy. He's a good coach, but like others have said, he's not right for Alabama. As good as the numbers have looked (just the caliber of players Bama has now is a big part of that) I feel he still left alot of pts on the field by not mixing it up enough and abandoning the run at some of the dumbest times. Looking forward to a run first/play action offense again. Excited to see how everything works out this offseason, from QB to OC. Should be fun.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

I think Alabama fans have run out of things to complain about. I honestly expect to hear the exact opposite as soon as Alabama loses it's next game...."I wish (current offensive coordinator) would pass more. He abandons the pass at the dumbest times and leaves too many points on the field"

No mention of the fact that Nussmeier's offense scored the most points ever.....that Alabama has scored...ever

Also, I'm going to have to learn to spell Nussmeier.

 

[BucksFanInGA]

Holy shit. Since when are Michigan fans allowed to be cocky?

 

[bamabear82]

I think Alabama fans have run out of things to complain about. I honestly expect to hear the exact opposite as soon as Alabama loses it's next game...."I wish (current offensive coordinator) would pass more. He abandons the pass at the dumbest times and leaves too many points on the field"

No mention of the fact that Nussmeier's offense scored the most points ever.....that Alabama has scored...ever

Also, I'm going to have to learn to spell Nussmeier.

He had ALOT to work with. It's funny how peoples jimmies are getting rustled again because Bama fans aren't upset with something. I'm excited for the change and to see who Saban brings in this time. It's a win for both programs imo.

 

[bamabear82]

Holy shit. Since when are Michigan fans allowed to be cocky?

Dey sillay.

 

[OnlyCrimson]

He had ALOT to work with. It's funny how peoples jimmies are getting rustled again because Bama fans aren't upset with something. I'm excited for the change and to see who Saban brings in this time. It's a win for both programs imo.

They are just mad because we are not mad and that took away what they thought would be a jab at Alabama.

Michigan Fan, "we just stole your OC"

Bama Fan, "thank you we wanted him gone anyways"

Michigan Fan, " thats not fair, I wanted to rustle your jimmies"

Bama Fan, ""

 

[bamabear82]

They are just mad because we are not mad and that took away what they thought would be a jab at Alabama.

Michigan Fan, "we just stole your OC"

Bama Fan, "thank you we wanted him gone anyways"

Michigan Fan, " thats not fair, I wanted to rustle your jimmies"

Bama Fan, ""

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

Holy shit. Since when are Michigan fans allowed to be cocky?

Well, it is Michigan fergodsakes......too soon?

 

[MI Nightmare]

I think Alabama fans have run out of things to complain about. I honestly expect to hear the exact opposite as soon as Alabama loses it's next game...."I wish (current offensive coordinator) would pass more. He abandons the pass at the dumbest times and leaves too many points on the field"

No mention of the fact that Nussmeier's offense scored the most points ever.....that Alabama has scored...ever

Also, I'm going to have to learn to spell Nussmeier.

Now don't get smart and start listing facts. Nussmeier cost Alabama 3 games according to these Alabama fans.

 

[MAIZEandBLUE09]

They are just mad because we are not mad and that took away what they thought would be a jab at Alabama.

Michigan Fan, "we just stole your OC"

Bama Fan, "thank you we wanted him gone anyways"

Michigan Fan, " thats not fair, I wanted to rustle your jimmies"

Bama Fan, ""

I'm not sure it's that, it's more like the stereotypical "we didn't want X person anyway" after person X chooses another school. It happens all the time in coaching searches and recruiting. I think it would have more weight if we heard more about your deep desire to change offensive coordinators prior to your OC leaving for another school.