Kawhi wants out of San Antonio

[mr.hockey4242]

That's why you don't do the deal if you're the Sixers. With the Sixers being high on Fultz, they should only give him up if Kawhi agrees to an extension first.

According to what I heard, the Sixers offer is Covington, Saric and a couple of picks. The Spurs are insisting on Covington, Saric, Fultz and, I believe, 3 picks.

From the Lakers, they are trying to get Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, 2 picks and 2 swaps.

If they stay on those demands, they're going to end up losing Kawhi for nothing.

Those demands are mental lmao.

I better get a guarantee that Kawhi not only resigns for 4 years but the God of Time Travel also ensures me he never gets hurt.

 

[bksballer89]

I hate Kawhi

 

[trojanfan12]

I hate Kawhi

I hear that's the real reason he sat out. He was depressed over it.

 

[bksballer89]

I hear that's the real reason he sat out. He was depressed over it.

Sounds like him

 

[wildturkey]

The Master and the Apprentice are fighting.

The Master Woj says Kawhi is less inclined to go to the Clippers, still prefers Lakers.

The Apprentice Shams says Kawhi is less inclined to go to the Lakers because of Lebron, is now open to the Clippers.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

The Master and the Apprentice are fighting.

The Master Woj says Kawhi is less inclined to go to the Clippers, still prefers Lakers.

The Apprentice Shams says Kawhi is less inclined to go to the Lakers because of Lebron, is now open to the Clippers.

The Clippers have returned to their normal self of being losers - No one is going to that hole in the ground

 

[WiggyRuss]

harania on The Herd with Colin Cowherd:


One thing that’s been made abundantly clear. I’m going to stress this. There’s no guarantee if Kawhi Leonard hits the market next summer that he’s going to sign with the Lakers, period. I think his options have broadened a little bit, just inside L.A. There’s another team, obviously, in L.A. I think he’d be very much open to the Clippers.

And there’s a belief around the league that if the Sixers came hard, that there could be a potential there for him potentially being there long-term.


I don’t think there’s much interest in the Boston Celtics scenario for him.


Around Kawhi, what’s been made abundantly clear is there’s not an interest to go join a super team. I don’t think he’s jumping for joy that LeBron James is in L.A. with the Lakers. If anything, that’s going to make him look maybe more toward the Clippers. Because this is a guy that won Finals MVP against LeBron James. You think he’s amped up and wants to join LeBron now? I think that’s been overstated, and the Spurs are beginning to realize that and beginning to realize that we might have a broadened market for him.

Leonard initially leaked he wanted to leave San Antonio for Los Angeles – ideally for the Lakers, but leaving the door open for the Clippers. But that was before LeBron agreed to sign with the Lakers.

This latest revelation sparks many questions.

Will the Clippers more aggressively pursue a Leonard trade now? They’ll have enough cap space to sign him outright next summer, but they might not want to risk him going somewhere – like Philadelphia – and becoming attached.

Will the Lakers still try to trade for him? Would Leonard really leave the Lakers if they trade for him now then offer him a five-year max contract next summer?

 

[BigKen]

Story definitely sounds believable. But the bottom quote is very telling - family can fuck shit up.

How often have you heard about a super rich daddy buying something and then either giving it to his kid or letting his kid run it into the ground. Money always has advantages, but it can be a disadvantage when an uneducated junior takes over what mom or dad has bought..

 

[WiggyRuss]

I hate Kawhi

he is a real dbag.

i would laugh my ass off he went to the Clippers and never won anything else in his career. that would seem like a good outcome in my point of view.

 

[trojanfan12]

he is a real dbag.

i would laugh my ass off he went to the Clippers and never won anything else in his career. that would seem like a good outcome in my point of view.

I don't know about a dbag, but this stuff is getting pretty strange and kind of annoying.

I think he has plenty of good reason to not trust the Spurs and want out. They have basically been trying to bully him re: his injury.

But some of this stuff is starting to make me feel like the Lakers may be better off looking in another direction. If they can get him, I still think they kind of have to.

But from the rumors that his uncle is the one behind all of this, it's starting to have a Lavar Ball feel to it and the Lakers already have one of those.

Imo, he just needs to come clean and say exactly what he wants so teams can make fully informed decisions.

Shit, at this point, if Kawhi comes to the Lakers, between him, Lavar and Lebron...we'll have the market cornered on drama, if nothing else. lol

 

[WiggyRuss]

I don't know about a dbag, but this stuff is getting pretty strange and kind of annoying.

I think he has plenty of good reason to not trust the Spurs and want out. They have basically been trying to bully him re: his injury.

But some of this stuff is starting to make me feel like the Lakers may be better off looking in another direction. If they can get him, I still think they kind of have to.

But from the rumors that his uncle is the one behind all of this, it's starting to have a Lavar Ball feel to it and the Lakers already have one of those.

Imo, he just needs to come clean and say exactly what he wants so teams can make fully informed decisions.

Shit, at this point, if Kawhi comes to the Lakers, between him, Lavar and Lebron...we'll have the market cornered on drama, if nothing else. lol

if i had to choose which side was being more truthful and more professional how could you not choose the Spurs with their track record over Kawhi and his crazy uncle?

I think the Spurs have shown us over the years that they are not in the business of screwing over players- quite the opposite actually. There might not be a team in all of sports that handles their business more professionally than the Spurs.


and drama? thats for sure- you mentioned lavar, lebron--- possibl kawhi- and still have not gotten to KCP who was playing games then reporting to jail last year, McGee who is a known nut job, Stephensen who is a known nut job and Rondo who is a known nut job.

Lakers obviously had the best move of the offseason with LeBron but honestly I hate every other move they have made--- especially letting Randall leave on a 2 year 18M dollar deal when i thought hed get maybe 18 in ONE year, let alone for 2 years.

As a Lakers fan you must have preferred Randle over Rondo or KCP.

 

[DJ]

if i had to choose which side was being more truthful and more professional how could you not choose the Spurs with their track record over Kawhi and his crazy uncle?

I think the Spurs have shown us over the years that they are not in the business of screwing over players- quite the opposite actually. There might not be a team in all of sports that handles their business more professionally than the Spurs.


and drama? thats for sure- you mentioned lavar, lebron--- possibl kawhi- and still have not gotten to KCP who was playing games then reporting to jail last year, McGee who is a known nut job, Stephensen who is a known nut job and Rondo who is a known nut job.

Lakers obviously had the best move of the offseason with LeBron but honestly I hate every other move they have made--- especially letting Randall leave on a 2 year 18M dollar deal when i thought hed get maybe 18 in ONE year, let alone for 2 years.

As a Lakers fan you must have preferred Randle over Rondo or KCP.

Randle didn'twant to be there with a reduced role.

May have been a good player on a bad team.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

True, but I don’t think the Spurs deserve 100% blame.I think Kawhi needs to be more transparent and less of an introvert. Especially towards his own organization.

In this case, it doesn't matter if the Spurs warranted 100% of the blame...they did "enough" to piss off a star player that up until now has never caused any problems.

Bottom line...Coach Pop should've followed the advice of other old school coaches...such as Parcells and Jimmy Johnson...be fair, but not necessarily equal in handling your players...i.e. Superstars don't get the same treatment.

 

[LogicMan]

I go back and forth on this.

IMO, Fultz could become the best PG in the league. The narrative of Fultz, IMO, is far worse than the player.

OTOH, if we could get Kawhi for Fultz that is a trade you do.

no need to overthink. thats a deal you do , assuming matching salary players are not real valuable

 

[trojanfan12]

if i had to choose which side was being more truthful and more professional how could you not choose the Spurs with their track record over Kawhi and his crazy uncle?

I think the Spurs have shown us over the years that they are not in the business of screwing over players- quite the opposite actually. There might not be a team in all of sports that handles their business more professionally than the Spurs.

I agree that the Spurs have a history of handling things professionally. But in this case, they really haven't. Parker, Manu and Pop have all come out publicly and criticized him. Those are folks that are supposed to have your back. That's why I say they have basically tried to bully him re: his injury.

The fact that the Spurs have handled this so unprofessionally, imo, is a big part of what makes this so surprising.

and drama? thats for sure- you mentioned lavar, lebron--- possibl kawhi- and still have not gotten to KCP who was playing games then reporting to jail last year, McGee who is a known nut job, Stephensen who is a known nut job and Rondo who is a known nut job.

Lakers obviously had the best move of the offseason with LeBron but honestly I hate every other move they have made--- especially letting Randall leave on a 2 year 18M dollar deal when i thought hed get maybe 18 in ONE year, let alone for 2 years.

The KCP thing is way overblown. It was basically over a DUI. Stupid. But it's not like he's some career criminal. From everything I heard and read, he was great with the youngsters last year.

I think part of the reason they have signed Rondo is for his leadership and to seriously push Lonzo. He definitely has his "quirks" lol but from everything I've heard and read, young players love the guy and he had a lot to do with Jrue Holiday's improvement. If he does noting else but help Lonzo get better, it's well worth having on the team for a season.

I think Stephenson was signed for similar reasons. Plus, we know Lebron at least gave his blessing on these signings.

The Lakers and Lebron know they aren't winning the title this year. So they're gonna push and challenge the kids to see who's going to be sticking around after next season and who isn't.

McGee was brought in because they needed a big. He's athletic and a solid defender. Plus, he knows the system because it's very similar to what the Warriors do. They just have to be smart like the Warriors and make sure they take him out of games before he does something to end up on Shaqtin' A Fool. lol

The Lakers are trying to preserve cap space for next off-season. So, like last year, they have to sign guys to 1 year deals. There's a reason these guys are available for 1 year deals. It is what it is.

As a Lakers fan you must have preferred Randle over Rondo or KCP.

If they were going to keep him...absolutely. I'm a big Randle fanboy. I doubt there's another Lakers fan that wanted the Lakers to find a way to keep him more than me.

But he was always going to be renounced. Better to let him move on now since he wasn't going to be part of the future anyway.

End of the day, Magic and Pelinka have done so many positive things since they took over...that I think they have earned the benefit of the doubt for Lakers fans to trust that they know what they're doing.

 

[flyerhawk]

no need to overthink. thats a deal you do , assuming matching salary players are not real valuable

Sounds like both the Celtics and Sixers are not willing to give up assets. Celtics reportedly won't consider including Brown or Rozier in a Kawhi move.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Sounds like both the Celtics and Sixers are not willing to give up assets. Celtics reportedly won't consider including Brown or Rozier in a Kawhi move.

htey must think kyrie is a strong possibility to move on if they are so intent on keeping rozier.

you cant give both brown and tatum huge deals can you?

Celtics have a lot of decisions to make.

If I am the Spurs i take Covington, Saric and a 1st or two and be done with it.

 

[LogicMan]

Celtics reportedly won't consider including Brown or Rozier in a Kawhi move.

If Danny had to give up Rozier and he would not do it he would be a fool. Had not heard Rozier is off limits tho

 

[DarthVedder]

Those demands are mental lmao.

I better get a guarantee that Kawhi not only resigns for 4 years but the God of Time Travel also ensures me he never gets hurt.

That's just the starting. That's the negotiation process, both sides start with insane demands and then meet somewhere in the middle. The multiple picks and kind of meaningless, since they will likely be crappy picks anyway.

San Antonio can't give him away. If they can't find a good deal, then screw him, have him sit for a year if he wants to do that, and see who gives him a max contract after two lost seasons.

 

[Mecca]

harania on The Herd with Colin Cowherd:


One thing that’s been made abundantly clear. I’m going to stress this. There’s no guarantee if Kawhi Leonard hits the market next summer that he’s going to sign with the Lakers, period. I think his options have broadened a little bit, just inside L.A. There’s another team, obviously, in L.A. I think he’d be very much open to the Clippers.

And there’s a belief around the league that if the Sixers came hard, that there could be a potential there for him potentially being there long-term.


I don’t think there’s much interest in the Boston Celtics scenario for him.


Around Kawhi, what’s been made abundantly clear is there’s not an interest to go join a super team. I don’t think he’s jumping for joy that LeBron James is in L.A. with the Lakers. If anything, that’s going to make him look maybe more toward the Clippers. Because this is a guy that won Finals MVP against LeBron James. You think he’s amped up and wants to join LeBron now? I think that’s been overstated, and the Spurs are beginning to realize that and beginning to realize that we might have a broadened market for him.

Leonard initially leaked he wanted to leave San Antonio for Los Angeles – ideally for the Lakers, but leaving the door open for the Clippers. But that was before LeBron agreed to sign with the Lakers.

This latest revelation sparks many questions.

Will the Clippers more aggressively pursue a Leonard trade now? They’ll have enough cap space to sign him outright next summer, but they might not want to risk him going somewhere – like Philadelphia – and becoming attached.

Will the Lakers still try to trade for him? Would Leonard really leave the Lakers if they trade for him now then offer him a five-year max contract next summer?

I think I put a bit more faith in what Woj is saying....

The Clippers need to sign their rookies and move on.

They aren't going anywhere fast with or without him with that Team in the Bay adding multiple time all stars at every position yearly.

Adrian Wojnarowski: “I’ve been told that one of the reasons [Kawhi Leonard] looks at going to the Clippers – is a little less motivated [to go to the Clippers] is because initially, the idea of Los Angeles was fine to him – he preferred the Lakers but was all right with the Clippers – but now that LeBron James is there, the idea of going head-to-head with LeBron – to have Kawhi with the Clippers and LeBron with the Lakers, and to maybe feel dwarfed by that – I’m told that’s become far less appealing for him.”