Series Thread: 6) Miami Heat vs. 3) Philadelphia 76ers

[trojanfan12]

Oh yeah the first round is almost over and we have seen the real teams and the pretenders, and this is a bold prediction? Stephen A smith is a donkey cock riding pig fucking utter sucking bold bullshit predicting fake fag cause hes only one cause he thinks its cool. What a disgrace. Was a fan, no longer.

So you're pretty neutral on Stephen A. then?

 

[WiggyRuss]

Part of the reason the Cavs got rid of Wiggins for Love because although Wiggins had/has the higher upside than Love, the latter was more seasoned and ready to handle being on a title contending team. Rookie's playing prominent roles typically mature and show where they'll be at by year 3. I could see Cleveland shopping that pick for an all star player to couple with Lebron should he chose to stay.

I think a real option is trading the pick for McCollum if the pick stays at 8.

 

[trojanfan12]

This will be one of the strangest Lebron free agencies. You have to think that Houston's off the list for the mere fact they'll have to blow up the team to sign Lebron. The Lakers would be a playoff team if you add Lebron. But if they could send the Spurs a trade package for Kawhi, it gets real interesting.

I'd be shocked if the Lakers could trade for Kawhi. Pop isn't going to want to send him to a Western Conference team and especially not the Lakers.

Plus, even if the Lakers offered the Spurs their choice of 3 from Ingram, Kuzma, Lonzo and Hart plus this years first rounder...there are a couple of teams that could still make a better offer.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Well, get ready.

Because they are also one of a few teams with cap space this summer. There is a pretty high possibility you will be sporting a Sixer logo come July.

no way LeBron sells out like that to go to Philly.

Plus---- Philly does have some cap room but its not like they are just flush with it.

There guaranteed contracts next year are:

R. Covington: 10.5M
J. Bayless: 8.5M
M. Fultz: 8.5M
Simmons: 6.5M
Embiid: 25M
Saric: 2.5M
Korkmaz: 2.0M
T. CAbarrot: 1.5M

and this does not count TJ Mcconnel: 1.5M and Richaun Holmes 1.5 who have team options.

That is a total of roughly: 68M. The salary cap is set to be 103M. That leaves just about exactly what LeBron makes available- 35M. So they could definitely do it---- and if they could get someone to take bayless might be able to do a couple other small things---- but doubtful it would be anyone else.

That team would def. be the East favorites if LEBron signed there-

I just dont think he is.

I think he reups in Cleveland for 1 or 2 more years--- waits for the Lakers to get the situation a little better, and moves on.

Of course- there are plenty of factors that yet to be determined--- how far the Cavs get...if the Brooklyn pick moves up in the lotto.....if they can trade the pick for a significant player.

If say the Cavs traded the Brooklyn pick for McCollum---- LeBron, Love, McCollum, Hood, Nance Jr., Clarkson, TT, JR, Korver---- and having that team for a full year and healthy would be interesting. The Blazers would probably ask for Hill back to match salaries since they prob wouldnt take TT.

 

[Heatles84]

I think a real option is trading the pick for McCollum if the pick stays at 8.

I completely forgot about McCollum. I think Portland recognizes its time to start over and build around Lillard. I'm assuming you trade JR and Brooklyn's pick for CJ. Nets you an all-star caliber 2-guard while also shedding bad salary in JR; although he does have his moments.

 

[Heatles84]

I just dont think he is.

I think he reups in Cleveland for 1 or 2 more years--- waits for the Lakers to get the situation a little better, and moves on.

Of course- there are plenty of factors that yet to be determined--- how far the Cavs get...if the Brooklyn pick moves up in the lotto.....if they can trade the pick for a significant player.

If say the Cavs traded the Brooklyn pick for McCollum---- LeBron, Love, McCollum, Hood, Nance Jr., Clarkson, TT, JR, Korver---- and having that team for a full year and healthy would be interesting. The Blazers would probably ask for Hill back to match salaries since they prob wouldnt take TT.

In the end, I think that's what happens. Another 1 and 1 contract for Lebron. Broussard mentioned that this is the likely scenario given that there are more options potentially in 2019 as opposed to this year.

 

[trojanfan12]

no way LeBron sells out like that to go to Philly.

Plus---- Philly does have some cap room but its not like they are just flush with it.

There guaranteed contracts next year are:

R. Covington: 10.5M
J. Bayless: 8.5M
M. Fultz: 8.5M
Simmons: 6.5M
Embiid: 25M
Saric: 2.5M
Korkmaz: 2.0M
T. CAbarrot: 1.5M

and this does not count TJ Mcconnel: 1.5M and Richaun Holmes 1.5 who have team options.

That is a total of roughly: 68M. The salary cap is set to be 103M. That leaves just about exactly what LeBron makes available- 35M. So they could definitely do it---- and if they could get someone to take bayless might be able to do a couple other small things---- but doubtful it would be anyone else.

That team would def. be the East favorites if LEBron signed there-

I just dont think he is.

I think he reups in Cleveland for 1 or 2 more years--- waits for the Lakers to get the situation a little better, and moves on.

Of course- there are plenty of factors that yet to be determined--- how far the Cavs get...if the Brooklyn pick moves up in the lotto.....if they can trade the pick for a significant player.

If say the Cavs traded the Brooklyn pick for McCollum---- LeBron, Love, McCollum, Hood, Nance Jr., Clarkson, TT, JR, Korver---- and having that team for a full year and healthy would be interesting. The Blazers would probably ask for Hill back to match salaries since they prob wouldnt take TT.

Yeah, he saw all the shit KD got and still gets for going to the Warriors. I doubt he wants to deal with all of that.

As for the Lakers, if he waits and they sign a couple of max guys over the next couple of years and the youngsters keep developing, they may not need him or have the cap space to sign him.

 

[flyerhawk]

I think they should bring back Redick on a 1-2 year deal.

He's been huge for them IMO. As a veteran to teach the kids and such....and a nice outside shooter.

I definitely think they will try.

 

[flyerhawk]

As for the Lakers, if he waits and they sign a couple of max guys over the next couple of years and the youngsters keep developing, they may not need him or have the cap space to sign him.

Lebron at 35 is not going to be Lebron at 33 either.

 

[tlance]

no way LeBron sells out like that to go to Philly.

Plus---- Philly does have some cap room but its not like they are just flush with it.

There guaranteed contracts next year are:

R. Covington: 10.5M
J. Bayless: 8.5M
M. Fultz: 8.5M
Simmons: 6.5M
Embiid: 25M
Saric: 2.5M
Korkmaz: 2.0M
T. CAbarrot: 1.5M

and this does not count TJ Mcconnel: 1.5M and Richaun Holmes 1.5 who have team options.

That is a total of roughly: 68M. The salary cap is set to be 103M. That leaves just about exactly what LeBron makes available- 35M. So they could definitely do it---- and if they could get someone to take bayless might be able to do a couple other small things---- but doubtful it would be anyone else.

That team would def. be the East favorites if LEBron signed there-

I just dont think he is.

I think he reups in Cleveland for 1 or 2 more years--- waits for the Lakers to get the situation a little better, and moves on.

Of course- there are plenty of factors that yet to be determined--- how far the Cavs get...if the Brooklyn pick moves up in the lotto.....if they can trade the pick for a significant player.

If say the Cavs traded the Brooklyn pick for McCollum---- LeBron, Love, McCollum, Hood, Nance Jr., Clarkson, TT, JR, Korver---- and having that team for a full year and healthy would be interesting. The Blazers would probably ask for Hill back to match salaries since they prob wouldnt take TT.

I disagree.

The fact that the Cavs did not deal the Nets pick at the deadline tells me that they think he is gone. No other reason to hold on to that asset when they traded half the team.

The Cavs should be in win now at all cost mode, and they held back. The David Griffin scenario over the summer was also very telling. LeBron and Gilbert are heading for another divorce. This year, LeBron will do a better job manufacturing his narrative before gen leaves to minimize the backlash. But, it is coming. I just don't see how he stays if he has any desire to compete for championships in what will likely be his last few years of elite play.

Cleveland can still get out of the East for sure, but they don't have the horses to compete with the Warriors or even the Rockets this year.

Laslty, they can't even trade the Nets pick until after the draft. Since they gave up their own pick this year and the 2019 pick conditionally to the Hawks in the Korver trade. That should not totally prohibit a potential deal, but it certainly makes one a little tougher. Especially given their likely small window of time between the draft and LeBron's decision. If they were looking to deal that pick, the time to do it was last February.

 

[tlance]

I think it is about 80% that LeBron leaves. If he stays, he should just sign long term and stay in Cleveland the rest of his career riding it out like Kobe.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I would say that the process was supposed to take 3 years. But Embiid took an extra year and Simmons lost a season to a broken foot.

Ultimately it boils down to whether you stomach your team having the Sixers 15-16 season where they won 10 games and lost something like 20 straight. That was some dark times.

How about the 3 seasons previous to that where their win total was in the 20's?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

I disagree.

The fact that the Cavs did not deal the Nets pick at the deadline tells me that they think he is gone. No other reason to hold on to that asset when they traded half the team.

The Cavs should be in win now at all cost mode, and they held back. The David Griffin scenario over the summer was also very telling. LeBron and Gilbert are heading for another divorce. This year, LeBron will do a better job manufacturing his narrative before gen leaves to minimize the backlash. But, it is coming. I just don't see how he stays if he has any desire to compete for championships in what will likely be his last few years of elite play.

Cleveland can still get out of the East for sure, but they don't have the horses to compete with the Warriors or even the Rockets this year.

Laslty, they can't even trade the Nets pick until after the draft. Since they gave up their own pick this year and the 2019 pick conditionally to the Hawks in the Korver trade. That should not totally prohibit a potential deal, but it certainly makes one a little tougher. Especially given their likely small window of time between the draft and LeBron's decision. If they were looking to deal that pick, the time to do it was last February.

I think if James agrees to stay if they trade it, they'll trade it.
My guess was the same offer was made in Feb..

 

[DJ]

Lebron at 35 is not going to be Lebron at 33 either.

By then....they won't need him to be. The youngsters should be on their way by that time.

 

[Black Adam]

By then....they won't need him to be. The youngsters should be on their way by that time.

yeah, but why pay an aging superstar all that moey and eat up cap space...?

 

[Sparhawk]

How about the 3 seasons previous to that where their win total was in the 20's?

Hinkie had only been on the job for 2 seasons after being hired around the 2013 draft.
If they only won 20-something games in the '12-13 season, it wasn't because of the Process, rather, it led to the Process.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I disagree.

The fact that the Cavs did not deal the Nets pick at the deadline tells me that they think he is gone. No other reason to hold on to that asset when they traded half the team.

The Cavs should be in win now at all cost mode, and they held back. The David Griffin scenario over the summer was also very telling. LeBron and Gilbert are heading for another divorce. This year, LeBron will do a better job manufacturing his narrative before gen leaves to minimize the backlash. But, it is coming. I just don't see how he stays if he has any desire to compete for championships in what will likely be his last few years of elite play.

Cleveland can still get out of the East for sure, but they don't have the horses to compete with the Warriors or even the Rockets this year.

Laslty, they can't even trade the Nets pick until after the draft. Since they gave up their own pick this year and the 2019 pick conditionally to the Hawks in the Korver trade. That should not totally prohibit a potential deal, but it certainly makes one a little tougher. Especially given their likely small window of time between the draft and LeBron's decision. If they were looking to deal that pick, the time to do it was last February.

Well--- I think you need to do a little more analysis here.

First, you have to look at- who could they have gotten with the Brooklyn pick that would have made it worth it at that time?

When you answer that question for me I can take you through the rest.

 

[ericd7633]

I mean if you were already bad, I could live with sucking for a couple years, but that just isn't the case here.
I'd rather have a season like this and draft a player like Bam, then be on the edge of the lottery and hope to get someone slightly better.

In addition, the league decreased the odds for the worst teams getting the best picks starting next year.

???

The Sixers were awful prior to them actually tanking. They gave up a guy coming off an all-star season(Iggy) and 2 promising young players(Vucevic and Harkless) for a player that never played a second with the Sixers. The Sixers were gifted the #2 pick in the 2010 draft and took Turner. Hindsight's always 20/20, but Cousins, Hayward and Paul George were all taken later. The year before they started tanking the Sixers won 34 games, it's actually quite remarkable considering the roster they had. But at that point they had one viable asset in Jrue Holiday. The tank started at the draft in 2013 with his trading. 4 years of tanking is WELL worth it considering how bright the future looks and how awful the Sixers have been since the late 80's. I mean this is ONLY the Sixers 3rd 50 wins season since 1990.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I think if James agrees to stay if they trade it, they'll trade it.
My guess was the same offer was made in Feb..

there was no one worth it to use the pick on at that time of the trade deadline was the problem.

Deandre Jordan is the only one that would have been even a semi-reasonable option- and the guy is a FA at the end of the season so it made zero sense.

Also, at the time the pick looked like it might even be worse position than 8. They will at least wait to see if the pick jumps up into the top 3 before giving up the asset for pennies on the dollar.

 

[flyerhawk]

How about the 3 seasons previous to that where their win total was in the 20's?

As has been pointed out, those seasons weren't all part of the process.

The Washington Wizards have gone 40 years since their last 50 win season. I don't think it is a coincidence that the only Wizards fan here is also one of the biggest advocates for The Process.

The Heat have been a successful organization since Pat Riley came to town. You have had something like 3 lottery picks in the past 20 years and with one of them you grabbed a 1st ballot Hall of Famer.

But as Lakers fans can tell you, just because you have a long run of success doesn't mean you are guaranteed success. IF the Heat go through a run of 3 or 4 seasons of winning 30 something games and getting dude or league average players in the draft, you may see things differently.

The Knicks are the cautionary tale of what can happen when you don't follow the process. Or the Nets.