Now that all are in place, who are your top 10 coaches?

[Across The Field]

Umm no. I entered this conversation because you were saying stupid shit in order justify your extremely obvious homer bias.

These were my rankings. Please point out my Shaw worshiping. I'm honestly a little ill at Shaw right now because he went for 2 instead of taking the XP which was a terrible coaching decision and cost Stanford the game.

In what way is saying Shaw isn't elite "obvious homer bias"?

But you were sucking off Harbaugh and acting like all Shaw accomplished was because of Harbaugh. Then when it came to others, had double standards.

I am extremely amused.

I'm not sucking him off at all. I can't stand the guy. Ask the michigan fans on here, I've ripped apart damn near everything he's done at michigan. However, I believe in giving him the credit he deserves. He took 3 programs and turn them from being shit to elite. I don't see how that's not fair. No, I haven't had a single double standard. Right now, I feel like Riley is a top 10 coach and Shaw isn't. I've said multiple times that I thought Shaw was a top coach back when he first started but because he's showing signs of regression, I don't have him as high.

 

[Across The Field]

I bet it’s not your last timespinning this. You are saying because he beat Ohio State, had 4 ranked wins playing in a mediocre conference and winning that conference and making the playoff with. Someone else’s players he is a top 10 coach. You know, the same thing you said about Shaw winning with Harbaughs recruits. So Larry Cocker and Gene Chizik were top ten coaches after they won it all? You just can’t call someone top ten after one year.

An when did I say top 10 is elite? You have me confused with someone else.

If the Big 12 is mediocre, what do you call the Pac 12?

I absolutely can call someone top 10 after 1 year. I did it with Kirby Smart too and you're not jumping my shit for that. Hell I had him ranked way higher than Riley even.

 

[Across The Field]

Tell me if Ohio State was elite last year? That's where this all stems from. Do I need to quote your elite standards and then pull up where Ohio State finished again?

Yes, they were. Honestly I don't think there was a runaway top team this year. Nobody was perfect, far from it. There were knocks for them all. Single seasons can vary, obviously. That said, when you are routinely a top 5 team (average final ranking is 4th over the last four years, only other team that has averaged a top 5 finish in that timeframe is Alabama), I would call that an elite program. Hence why they have the #2 coach in the nation. In regards to last season, Clemson finished ahead of OSU, but based on how both teams finished the year, I don't see how you can say Clemson was for sure better. I think on any given day, OSU could have beaten anyone. There are probably 5-6 teams you could say that about - Alabama, UGA, Oklahoma, Clemson, Ohio State, and Penn State. That's my honest opinion. I'd call those the elite teams last year, with Wisconsin right on the outside.

Do you think Ohio State wasn't elite last year?

 

[ericd7633]

Yes, they were. Honestly I don't think there was a runaway top team this year. Nobody was perfect, far from it. There were knocks for them all. Single seasons can vary, obviously. That said, when you are routinely a top 5 team (average final ranking is 4th over the last four years, only other team that has averaged a top 5 finish in that timeframe is Alabama), I would call that an elite program. Hence why they have the #2 coach in the nation. In regards to last season, Clemson finished ahead of OSU, but based on how both teams finished the year, I don't see how you can say Clemson was for sure better. I think on any given day, OSU could have beaten anyone. There are probably 5-6 teams you could say that about - Alabama, UGA, Oklahoma, Clemson, Ohio State, and Penn State. That's my honest opinion. I'd call those the elite teams last year, with Wisconsin right on the outside.

Do you think Ohio State wasn't elite last year?

Didn't read. So you were just lying earlier when you said elite is top 3-4?

 

[4down20]

Yes, they were. Honestly I don't think there was a runaway top team this year. Nobody was perfect, far from it. There were knocks for them all. Single seasons can vary, obviously. That said, when you are routinely a top 5 team (average final ranking is 4th over the last four years, only other team that has averaged a top 5 finish in that timeframe is Alabama), I would call that an elite program. Hence why they have the #2 coach in the nation. In regards to last season, Clemson finished ahead of OSU, but based on how both teams finished the year, I don't see how you can say Clemson was for sure better. I think on any given day, OSU could have beaten anyone. There are probably 5-6 teams you could say that about - Alabama, UGA, Oklahoma, Clemson, Ohio State, and Penn State. That's my honest opinion. I'd call those the elite teams last year, with Wisconsin right on the outside.

Do you think Ohio State wasn't elite last year?

Ohio St was not elite last year.

 

[ericd7633]

Ohio St was not elite last year.

He's already admitted they shouldn't be considered elite, it is funny seeing him come up with these long-winded answers trying to justify it though.

 

[batchaps4me]

IMHO the top three are fairly obvious:
1. Saban- Until someone wins 3 natties in a row, this is his spot.
2. Dabo- Won the playoffs and is a perineal favorite for top 5.
3. Meyer- Natties and conference favorite annually.

4-10 are muddy and can be swapped around in any order so I will not list them in order:
Franklin, Smart, Shaw, Patterson, Peterson, Snyder and Shaw

 

[ellupo]

Dude there are some insane David Shaw worshippers here. This is all stemming from me saying I didn't think Shaw was a top 10 coach in the nation. I had him in the top 15 and all of these angry flamers just attacked.

Did you tell them they were pretty when you were telling them they were wrong? There are some delicate little flowers that post here and need to know they are the most special princesses ever when you are correcting them.

 

[4down20]

Did you tell them they were pretty when you were telling them they were wrong? There are some delicate little flowers that post here and need to know they are the most special princesses ever when you are correcting them.

Go read the thread. I'm sure you'll love where he sucks off Harbaugh.

 

[4down20]

He's already admitted they shouldn't be considered elite, it is funny seeing him come up with these long-winded answers trying to justify it though.

I'm enjoying this a ton.

 

[Across The Field]

Didn't read. So you were just lying earlier when you said elite is top 3-4?

Of course you didn't. It's always easier for you to remain ignorant. This is nothing new.

 

[Across The Field]

I'm enjoying this a ton.

Ignorance is bliss sort of thing, yeah?

 

[Across The Field]

He's already admitted they shouldn't be considered elite, it is funny seeing him come up with these long-winded answers trying to justify it though.

Do you think Ohio State was or was not elite last year?

 

[Across The Field]

Did you tell them they were pretty when you were telling them they were wrong? There are some delicate little flowers that post here and need to know they are the most special princesses ever when you are correcting them.

Go read the thread. I'm sure you'll love where he sucks off Harbaugh.

Let me catch you up, ellupo:

ATF: I don't think David Shaw is top 10

4d20: I'M INEXPLICABLY A STANFORD FAN! YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

ATF: It seems clear that he was elite for 3 years right after Harbaugh left and has regressed these last 4 years. A winning percentage dropping by 12% would support that. It's fair to say he was successful because of the recruits and development done there by Harbaugh.

4d20: STOP SUCKING OFF HARBAUGH OMG YOU'RE A MICHIGAN FAN I'M TELLING MY WIFE!

That brings us to now.

 

[7Samurai13]

Let me catch you up, ellupo:

ATF: I don't think David Shaw is top 10

4d20: I'M INEXPLICABLY A STANFORD FAN! YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

ATF: It seems clear that he was elite for 3 years right after Harbaugh left and has regressed these last 4 years. A winning percentage dropping by 12% would support that. It's fair to say he was successful because of the recruits and development done there by Harbaugh.

4d20: STOP SUCKING OFF HARBAUGH OMG YOU'RE A MICHIGAN FAN I'M TELLING MY WIFE!

That brings us to now.

You skipped the part that you said it’s soooo easy to recruit 5 star players for Stanford and Shaw has done absolutely nothing at Stanford without Harbaugh’s players and that being ranked #3 with his own players was a gift. And that everything Riley has down with exactly 0 recruiting classes is because he is an elite coach and molded the offense himself and didn’t inherit a loaded team.

 

[4down20]

Ignorance is bliss sort of thing, yeah?

I'm assuming you are telling me this and just don't know the correct punctuation.

 

[4down20]

Let me catch you up, ellupo:

ATF: I don't think David Shaw is top 10

4d20: I'M INEXPLICABLY A STANFORD FAN! YOU'RE AN IDIOT!

ATF: It seems clear that he was elite for 3 years right after Harbaugh left and has regressed these last 4 years. A winning percentage dropping by 12% would support that. It's fair to say he was successful because of the recruits and development done there by Harbaugh.

4d20: STOP SUCKING OFF HARBAUGH OMG YOU'RE A MICHIGAN FAN I'M TELLING MY WIFE!

That brings us to now.

The problem with your argument is I didn't even list Shaw in my top10.

You were just saying stupid shit about Harbaugh and giving Harbaugh credit for shit Shaw does 7 years later.

 

[ericd7633]

Do you think Ohio State was or was not elite last year?

I like you, believe elite means top 3-4, so no they weren't.

 

[Across The Field]

You skipped the part that (1)you said it’s soooo easy to recruit 5 star players for Stanford and (2)Shaw has done absolutely nothing at Stanford without Harbaugh’s players and that (3)being ranked #3 with his own players was a gift. And that (4)everything Riley has down with exactly 0 recruiting classes is because he is an elite coach and molded the offense himself and didn’t inherit a loaded team.

1. No I didn't. I said it's not impossible, and then I backed it up by showing that they've not only brought in quite a few 5* kids in the last several years, but have extended offers to quite a few, 16 in the last 2 years. This was to illustrate that bringing in top end kids is so hard because "it's Stanford" is a bullshit excuse.

2. No I didn't. I have said countless times now that I think Shaw is a good coach. He's doing a good job. However, he's not elite, and the numbers very clearly show that he was winning at a much higher rate with Harbaugh's kids than his own - 83% to 71%.

3. Yes, I did say this. That was absolutely a gift ranking.

4. I've been clear that I don't think Riley is elite. I just think he's a little ahead of Shaw in my coaching rankings.


Glad I could help you clear that up.

 

[Across The Field]

The problem with your argument is I didn't even list Shaw in my top10.

You were just saying stupid shit about Harbaugh and giving Harbaugh credit for shit Shaw does 7 years later.

I can't help but laugh at how this statement is still being said by you even though I've never said it one single time. I've said Shaw was elite when Harbaugh's players were still there. Once his players cycled out, Shaw dropped off. It's not hard to see - winning 83% of the time his first 3 years vs. 71% of the time the last 4 years with very few or no Harbaugh recruits at all. You know how numbers work, right?