POLL So who wins the B1G in 2018?

[Across The Field]

Tebow wasn’t as good as Leak.......as a passer. He was better as a runner, which is why, OHIO STATE COACH Urban Meyer found ways to get Tebow on the field as a true freshman, even though Chris Leak was a 4 year starter. IF Haskins was as good as you have tried saying — Urban Meyer would have found a way to get him on the field, just like he did with Tebow.

And stop with the talk of what I heard from those in the program and what you’ve seen from him. He saw mop up duty and didn’t start a single game. And your inside knowledge of the program is the same as everyone else on this site — what you read online.

Lastly Haskins could be the best QB by year’s end, but saying it now is nothing more than being a homer. The guy has zero CFB starts and his own coach didn’t trust starting him over a one legged Barrett in the Big CG

2006 Chris Leak: 2,950 yards, 23 TD, 13 INT
2007 Tim Tebow: 3,286 yards, 32 TD, 6 INT

I see what you mean about Leak clearly being a better passer. Not sure if you saw or not, but Urban didn't have an urgent need to get Haskins on the field this year (even though he still played about 2.5 games worth of snaps). JT had 35 TD to 9 INT this year. There was no need to toss Haskins in. Did you know that?

Barrett was one-legged? I see you didn't watch a second of the game. He had 60 yards rushing and a TD, dumbass.

 

[7Samurai13]

2006 Chris Leak: 2,950 yards, 23 TD, 13 INT
2007 Tim Tebow: 3,286 yards, 32 TD, 6 INT

I see what you mean about Leak clearly being a better passer. Not sure if you saw or not, but Urban didn't have an urgent need to get Haskins on the field this year (even though he still played about 2.5 games worth of snaps). JT had 35 TD to 9 INT this year. There was no need to toss Haskins in. Did you know that?

Barrett was one-legged? I see you didn't watch a second of the game. He had 60 yards rushing and a TD, dumbass.

Do you think that Leak would be able to surpass that yardage difference had he had the 122 plays that Tebow had under center in 2006? That of course is not including the plays that Tebow handed off.

And are you surprised that a quarterback who tries passes longer than 7 yards has more interceptions than one who doesn’t?

 

[Across The Field]

Do you think that Leak would be able to surpass that yardage difference had he had the 122 plays that Tebow had under center in 2006? That of course is not including the plays that Tebow handed off.

And are you surprised that a quarterback who tries passes longer than 7 yards has more interceptions than one who doesn’t?

If they thought Leak was capable of moving the ball further than the 5.3 yards Tebow got on average when he ran, why would they have run him anyhow? Wouldn't it make sense to just let Leak run the offense full time?

Leak was adequate in 2006. 2004 was his best year. He regressed in 2005, and even further in 2006. That's why Tebow got as much play as he did as a freshman. Tebow came on in 2007 and ripped the SEC apart despite being a backup the year before. Weird, because while he was clearly a better QB than Leak in every imaginable way, he didn't start his freshman year and when he did play, it was mostly to run.

 

[7Samurai13]

If they thought Leak was capable of moving the ball further than the 5.3 yards Tebow got on average when he ran, why would they have run him anyhow? Wouldn't it make sense to just let Leak run the offense full time?

Leak was adequate in 2006. 2004 was his best year. He regressed in 2005, and even further in 2006. That's why Tebow got as much play as he did as a freshman. Tebow came on in 2007 and ripped the SEC apart despite being a backup the year before. Weird, because while he was clearly a better QB than Leak in every imaginable way, he didn't start his freshman year and when he did play, it was mostly to run.

So Urban didn’t think that Haskins was going to be able to do better than Barrett and that is why he didn’t try working him into the offense except for when Ohio State was blowing out the other team?

 

[Across The Field]

So Urban didn’t think that Haskins was going to be able to do better than Barrett and that is why he didn’t try working him into the offense except for when Ohio State was blowing out the other team?

When your starting QB is throwing 35 TDs and 9 INTs, it's not exactly urgent to get another QB in. Unless you think otherwise?

 

[7Samurai13]

When your starting QB is throwing 35 TDs and 9 INTs, it's not exactly urgent to get another QB in. Unless you think otherwise?

If you are trying to win football games and your offense had looked stagnant for the better part of the previous two years, including get shut out in the playoffs, yeah, I’d consider trying to get the best quarterback on the field instead of putting a quarterback that you feel is inferior under center and just burning a year of eligibility for the better quarterback. But hey if you are OK with Urban caring more about not hurting players feelings rather than actually winning football games, more power to you.

 

[Across The Field]

If you are trying to win football games and your offense had looked stagnant for the better part of the previous two years, including get shut out in the playoffs, yeah, I’d consider trying to get the best quarterback on the field instead of putting a quarterback that you feel is inferior under center and just burning a year of eligibility for the better quarterback. But hey if you are OK with Urban caring more about not hurting players feelings rather than actually winning football games, more power to you.

So again, our QB had 35 TDs and 9 INTs. At what point would you have unquestionably pulled the plug?

Also, burned a year of eligibility? What the hell are you talking about?

 

[7Samurai13]

So again, our QB had 35 TDs and 9 INTs. At what point would you have unquestionably pulled the plug?

Also, burned a year of eligibility? What the hell are you talking about?

So he Red-shirted in 2016, correct? You are claiming the offense is better under Haskins than under Barrett, correct? So his red shirt freshman year was wasted sitting behind an inferior quarterback because Urban didn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. Maybe you don’t get manhandled by Oklahoma and skulled fucked by Iowa if Haskins was quarterback since he is better than Barrett. But again, football is more about not hurting feelings and less about putting the best players on the field.

 

[Across The Field]

So he Red-shirted in 2016, correct? You are claiming the offense is better under Haskins than under Barrett, correct? So his red shirt freshman year was wasted sitting behind an inferior quarterback because Urban didn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings. Maybe you don’t get manhandled by Oklahoma and skulled fucked by Iowa if Haskins was quarterback since he is better than Barrett. But again, football is more about not hurting feelings and less about putting the best players on the field.

So... you can't tell me when exactly you would have taken out a QB who threw 35 TD and 9 INT? I just want to confirm that you can't actually do that.

 

[7Samurai13]

So... you can't tell me when exactly you would have taken out a QB who threw 35 TD and 9 INT? I just want to confirm that you can't actually do that.

Why would you play an inferior quarterback if you have a better quarterback on the bench? You are sounding very @Great Dayne ish right now by stating Urban didn’t want to hurt Barrett’s feelings because he started a couple of years, the offense looked like shit in 2015, didn’t impress anyone in 2016, got shut out against Clemson. Do you actually believe that Urban Meyer knowing played a quarterback he believed was worse because he played previously? Maybe he isn’t getting the playbook as well as you’d like to believe, like how Michigan fans were with Peters. Or maybe he just looked good because he played in mostly mop up jobs against shitty competition like OKorn. Have you drank the Michigan koolaid lately? Because you are being very Wolverweinie lately.

 

[kburjr]

Because you are being very Wolverweinie lately.

Hey, let's keep it clean, here.

 

[Across The Field]

Why would you play an inferior quarterback if you have a better quarterback on the bench? You are sounding very @Great Dayne ish right now by stating Urban didn’t want to hurt Barrett’s feelings because he started a couple of years, the offense looked like shit in 2015, didn’t impress anyone in 2016, got shut out against Clemson. Do you actually believe that Urban Meyer knowing played a quarterback he believed was worse because he played previously? Maybe he isn’t getting the playbook as well as you’d like to believe, like how Michigan fans were with Peters. Or maybe he just looked good because he played in mostly mop up jobs against shitty competition like OKorn. Have you drank the Michigan koolaid lately? Because you are being very Wolverweinie lately.

Ok, so just to confirm for sure, you can't choose an appropriate time to take a QB with a 35/9 TD:INT ratio and 12 TD on the ground out of the QB1 spot.

 

[7Samurai13]

Ok, so just to confirm for sure, you can't choose an appropriate time to take a QB with a 35/9 TD:INT ratio and 12 TD on the ground out of the QB1 spot.

If he is better at the start of the season you do it then.

Just confirming, you are full of shit that Haskins was a better quarterback last season.

 

[Across The Field]

If he is better at the start of the season you do it then.

Just confirming, you are full of shit that Haskins was a better quarterback last season.

Well then, someone must be on their monthly.

There were several times last season where JT's limited passing ability impeded our offense. I believe Haskins will improve on those areas. He won't be the athletic threat JT is, but we have RBs to take those carries. Fact is, and this was according to Bobby Carpenter who is very close with the team, there was a contingent last season that felt the offense ran more efficiently with Haskins. This season, we will see that. We will also likely have, or come very close to having, two 1,000 yard rushers. It's going to be a really exciting season.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Ok, so just to confirm for sure, you can't choose an appropriate time to take a QB with a 35/9 TD:INT ratio and 12 TD on the ground out of the QB1 spot.

How about when he throws 4 interceptions and you lose by 31 to Iowa and your hopes for the CFP were done?

And with the arm that you talk about Haskins having — we better see 5,000+ yards passing and 50 tds, because the limited arm of Barrett threw for 3500 and 35. Especially with a WR group you say is as talent as 2014. I can’t wait to see which guy puts up 30 ypc and almost a 1,000 receiving like Devin Smith did or which guy will go on to set the NFL record for most catches over their first two seasons like Michael Thomas did for the Saints. Next you are going to say JK Dobbins is a more complete back than Zeke

You are turning into MnB with these predictions.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Well then, someone must be on their monthly.

There were several times last season where JT's limited passing ability impeded our offense. I believe Haskins will improve on those areas. He won't be the athletic threat JT is, but we have RBs to take those carries. Fact is, and this was according to Bobby Carpenter who is very close with the team, there was a contingent last season that felt the offense ran more efficiently with Haskins. This season, we will see that. We will also likely have, or come very close to having, two 1,000 yard rushers. It's going to be a really exciting season.

But what it does is make the offense more predictable — it is much tougher stopping the RPO than stopping a standard spread. And if they run the RPO, we will see quickly how good Haskins reads a defense after the snap and if he is even effective running that type of offense.

 

[Across The Field]

How about when he throws 4 interceptions and you lose by 31 to Iowa and your hopes for the CFP were done?

And with the arm that you talk about Haskins having — we better see 5,000+ yards passing and 50 tds, because the limited arm of Barrett threw for 3500 and 35. Especially with a WR group you say is as talent as 2014. I can’t wait to see which guy puts up 30 ypc and almost a 1,000 receiving like Devin Smith did or which guy will go on to set the NFL record for most catches over their first two seasons like Michael Thomas did for the Saints. Next you are going to say JK Dobbins is a more complete back than Zeke

You are turning into MnB with these predictions.

If our hopes for the CFP were done, why take him out?

We'll see how much they have him pass the ball. I could see him put up similar numbers to Barrett this year, but he won't be making the mistakes Barrett did, missing wide open WRs and throwing awful looking INTs.

I fully expect Dobbins and Weber to get a combined 350-375 carries next season, with Haskins maybe having 50-60 as opposed to Barrett's 165.

 

[Across The Field]

But what it does is make the offense more predictable — it is much tougher stopping the RPO than stopping a standard spread. And if they run the RPO, we will see quickly how good Haskins reads a defense after the snap and if he is even effective running that type of offense.

I've seen enough RPO over the last 3 years. I'm fine with seeing a bit more of a pro style offense, which is what Haskins is. He'll run, don't get me wrong, but I'm cool with him not having the games with 15-19 carries that Barrett had.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

If our hopes for the CFP were done, why take him out?

We'll see how much they have him pass the ball. I could see him put up similar numbers to Barrett this year, but he won't be making the mistakes Barrett did, missing wide open WRs and throwing awful looking INTs.

I fully expect Dobbins and Weber to get a combined 350-375 carries next season, with Haskins maybe having 50-60 as opposed to Barrett's 165.

Why? Because he wasn’t going to be your QB the next year and you could give the best QB in the B1G the experience he doesn’t have as a starter.

And if Haskins is so much better as a passer, why in the world would his passing numbers be similar to Barrett? How does that make sense?

And something I don’t think you understand about the QB position — what is between the ears is just as important as what you have been blessed with talent wise. So if you think someone who has never started a game in college and hasn’t seen 1/10th of the different defensive alignments teams will throw at him and truly believe he won’t make dumb decisions or throw awful interceptions, you are mistaken.

 

[Across The Field]

Why? Because he wasn’t going to be your QB the next year and you could give the best QB in the B1G the experience he doesn’t have as a starter.

And if Haskins is so much better as a passer, why in the world would his passing numbers be similar to Barrett? How does that make sense?

And something I don’t think you understand about the QB position — what is between the ears is just as important as what you have been blessed with talent wise. So if you think someone who has never started a game in college and hasn’t seen 1/10th of the different defensive alignments teams will throw at him and truly believe he won’t make dumb decisions or throw awful interceptions, you are mistaken.

Yeah that makes no sense and wouldn't happen at any program. He went on to win the CCG and Cotton Bowl. Urban was able to send the most decorated QB in school history off on a high note. I have no issue with that, not sure why you do.

I think his passing numbers will be similar because I don't think he'll have as many attempts. I think the team will be built around the run, but if he's playing to his capabilities, he can produce more efficiently than JT as a passer.

Yes, I do understand that. It's why JaMarcus Russell and VY were busts. I'm not sure how you've decided Haskins doesn't have that, but ok.