FINAL AP TOP 25

[kburjr]

. Am I now just a massive P5 homer, too?

Well, yeah. But I agree with you.

 

[socaljim242]

I'm only talking about how our defense played. Frankly your defense did a fantastic job against our offense. We definitely didn't win it because of JT Barrett & Co.

Our defense kept it from becoming Alabama bad and your offense did too. lol. Your QB was no threat on gotta have passing plays. But your defense was a beast.

 

[ralphiewvu]

So again, in your mind, "isn't far-fetched" means the same thing as "without a doubt"? Please help me clarify. Just making sure I clarify what you actually said. Keep going.

So you really didn't read anything I said at all. I never said a RB had 1,000 yards. I said our RB had over 1,400 yards, our QB nearly had 1,000, and our backup RB had over 600 with 10 TDs, and UCF's run defense is shit. I guess pointing out the ways we would be a mismatch means I'm a homer, even when they're based on stats?

Go ahead and read the lead up stuff on USC going to the Cotton. They were furious that they were given no chance to be in the playoff even though they were a 2-loss conference champ. Meanwhile, Auburn had nothing because they had their playoff ticket in front of them and then laid an egg. Did you actually watch the Auburn-UCF game? I already know the answer is no since you have no idea what was actually happening in that game.

Help you clarify? You are the one saying it does even have to be Ohio states best game.

So yes, you saying Ohio State has a runner over 1,000 yards is a reason. So I was right there. Congrats, you would score points. What makes you a homer is your inability to see UCF would score points on you. The UCF offense being good like the Ohio states offense comments you love to bring up is based on stats.

USC had no shot to get into the playoffs during conference championship week. Everyone, including USC knew that. Only an absolute imbecile will say USC thought they had a chance to make the playoffs and that they were mad they didn’t.

An of purse I watched the Auburn-UCF game, if you honestly think auburn didn’t want to be there then you clearly didn’t watch it. But then again I’m not sure you watched much football this year based on this thread.

 

[Across The Field]

Our defense kept it from becoming Alabama bad and your offense did too. lol. Your QB was no threat on gotta have passing plays. But your defense was a beast.

Nope, Barrett reverted back to the Barrett we saw against Oklahoma. He's a great leader but execution as a player isn't his thing. He's too inconsistent, and frankly, I don't think he loves football like you'd think he should.

Your defense did the best job of neutralizing our running game of I think any team this year. Helton definitely did his homework in that regard.

 

[ralphiewvu]

Because I think Wisconsin's offense is better? I'm not a Wisconsin fan, dumbfuck. Guess what? I'd take a LOT of P5 offenses from all 5 conferences over UCF's. Am I now just a massive P5 homer, too?

No one on this earth except Great Dayne would argue Wisconsin’s offense was better than UCF this year. Unless of course it somehow helps your argument.

News flash: OHIO STATE PLAYED WISCONSIN. You saying Wisconsin’s offense was better and then telling us how OSU shut them down absolutely benefits you in this argument and makes you a homer. My Gawd you’re stupid.

 

[Across The Field]

Help you clarify? You are the one saying it does even have to be Ohio states best game.

So yes, you saying Ohio State has a runner over 1,000 yards is a reason. So I was right there. Congrats, you would score points. What makes you a homer is your inability to see UCF would score points on you. The UCF offense being good like the Ohio states offense comments you love to bring up is based on stats.

USC had no shot to get into the playoffs during conference championship week. Everyone, including USC knew that. Only an absolute imbecile will say USC thought they had a chance to make the playoffs and that they were mad they didn’t.

An of purse I watched the Auburn-UCF game, if you honestly think auburn didn’t want to be there then you clearly didn’t watch it. But then again I’m not sure you watched much football this year based on this thread.

So again, are you able to answer the question of if "isn't far-fetched" means the same thing as "without a doubt"? You keep ducking that one, and it's a pretty fair request on my part given how idiotic you're being.

LOL, taking all of my points and diluting them to "your RB had over 1,000 yards" doesn't make you right, dipshit. What I said held a ton of merit, yet I notice you can't offer anything to the contrary.

I'm aware USC had no shot. That's my point - they were given no respect at all despite being a P5 conference champ. They were fucking pissed.

And no, you didn't watch the Auburn UCF game. They looked slightly more fired up after halftime, but they played effortlessly for basically the entire first half. I'm not the only one who has pointed this out. UCF came in with something to prove while Auburn came in with nothing to gain.

 

[ericd7633]

Even with the Pac 12 being down this year, they were far better than the AAC. I mean, it's not even close. Unless now you're going to start pimping Memphis and USF now, who combined to literally beat nobody this year?

USC has an elite QB. USC has an elite RB. USC has an elite WR. USC has pro-level depth.

On the other hand, UCF has a little midget playing QB who put up amazing numbers against the creampuffs. They have a pedestrian group of RBs, and they have what appears to be one decent WR, who again, only really blew up against creampuffs.

Look, they were a nice story with their cute little "national title" and all, but don't be stupid. UCF is not an elite team.

I'm not talking about conference. I'm talking about offense. I do know UCF is top 10 in every offensive efficiency category there is. I do know USC isn't. Also Darnold wasn't very good this season.

Look, they were a top 10 offense, I'm still trying for you to come up with something that says otherwise...

 

[Across The Field]

No one on this earth except Great Dayne would argue Wisconsin’s offense was better than UCF this year. Unless of course it somehow helps your argument.

News flash: OHIO STATE PLAYED WISCONSIN. You saying Wisconsin’s offense was better and then telling us how OSU shut them down absolutely benefits you in this argument and makes you a homer. My Gawd you’re stupid.

As I said, I'd take a LOT of P5 offenses over UCF's. I'll give them credit for running up the score against arguably the worst FBS conference this year. I think the Sun Belt might be the only conference who was just as flatout bad as the AAC. They had 3 teams finish with more than 7 wins, and the other two that did (USF and Memphis) were nobodies who accomplished next to nothing other than losing to UCF, unless you want to count those narrow wins over 6-7 Texas Tech and 6-7 UCLA as major accomplishments.

 

[Across The Field]

I'm not talking about conference. I'm talking about offense. I do know UCF is top 10 in every offensive efficiency category there is. I do know USC isn't. Also Darnold wasn't very good this season.

Look, they were a top 10 offense, I'm still trying for you to come up with something that says otherwise...

They were top 10 when their entire schedule outside of 1 game was against shit competition. If you want to get down on your knees to suckoff an offense that managed to put up big numbers against the worst SOS in the entire top 25 (outside of USF and Memphis, of course), be my guest. They did nothing this year to prove they deserve to be talked about in the same breath with the elite P5 offenses.

 

[Wamu]

I'm not talking about conference. I'm talking about offense. I do know UCF is top 10 in every offensive efficiency category there is. I do know USC isn't. Also Darnold wasn't very good this season.

Look, they were a top 10 offense, I'm still trying for you to come up with something that says otherwise...

If both defenses & their rankings have been mentioned my bad.

Where did UCF's defense finish the season though? Just because they would put points up on the board it doesn't mean their D would stop Ohio State's offense from scoring more. Buckeyes D: in the top 10 / Knights D: in the 90's.

 

[ericd7633]

They were top 10 when their entire schedule outside of 1 game was against shit competition. If you want to get down on your knees to suckoff an offense that managed to put up big numbers against the worst SOS in the entire top 25 (outside of USF and Memphis, of course), be my guest. They did nothing this year to prove they deserve to be talked about in the same breath with the elite P5 offenses.

Well, continue to look like a dumbass then I guess, when every metric disagrees with you. And I don't really care if you don't call them elite, but saying USC and Wisconsin's offenses were, is hilarious.

 

[ericd7633]

If both defenses & their rankings have been mentioned my bad.

Where did UCF's defense finish the season though? Just because they would put points up on the board it doesn't mean their D would stop Ohio State's offense from scoring more. Buckeyes D: in the top 10 / Knights D: in the 90's.

UCF's defense isn't good. This all stemmed from ATF claiming Wisconsin and USC were better offensively than UCF. Ohio State would beat UCF IMO, but not 35-7 or whatever ATF claimed.

 

[Wamu]

UCF's defense isn't good. This all stemmed from ATF claiming Wisconsin and USC were better offensively than UCF. Ohio State would beat UCF IMO, but not 35-7 or whatever ATF claimed.

Okay thanks for clearing that up. USC's offense finished # 13 (ncaa.com) & Wisky finished # 51. By the #'s I can't say either offense was better than UCF's (#5).

 

[Across The Field]

Well, continue to look like a dumbass then I guess, when every metric disagrees with you. And I don't really care if you don't call them elite, but saying USC and Wisconsin's offenses were, is hilarious.

Reminder: UT-San Antonio had a top 10 defense in terms of ypg and ppg, and played in an arguably better conference.

 

[Across The Field]

UCF's defense isn't good. This all stemmed from ATF claiming Wisconsin and USC were better offensively than UCF. Ohio State would beat UCF IMO, but not 35-7 or whatever ATF claimed.

This all actually started long ago when I said that if OSU and UCF were playing at the top of their game, OSU would beat UCF by 35. Their ceiling and UCF's ceilings really aren't close. We've seen UCF put up tons of points on shitty competition, and we've seen several bad teams score solid points on their defense. We've seen OSU score a lot against actual defenses, and we've seen them shut actual offenses down. That's been my point all along.

If you think OSU's best against UCF's best isn't a 35 point difference, so be it. I actually broke it down further in regards to matchups in an earlier post, as well.

 

[ericd7633]

Reminder: UT-San Antonio had a top 10 defense in terms of ypg and ppg, and played in an arguably better conference.

Holy shit you're coming off looking like a complete moron.

Reminder: UCF has a top 10 OFEI, ODS, OAY, OFD, OTD, and OTF.
Reminder: Wisconsin wasn't top 10 in any of them.

 

[ericd7633]

This all actually started long ago when I said that if OSU and UCF were playing at the top of their game, OSU would beat UCF by 35. Their ceiling and UCF's ceilings really aren't close. We've seen UCF put up tons of points on shitty competition, and we've seen several bad teams score solid points on their defense. We've seen OSU score a lot against actual defenses, and we've seen them shut actual offenses down. That's been my point all along.

If you think OSU's best against UCF's best isn't a 35 point difference, so be it. I actually broke it down further in regards to matchups in an earlier post, as well.

Congrats, and if ND played up to their ceiling they would have been National Champions.

 

[kburjr]

Offense vs Def

USC +89 ypg
UCF +110 ypg
Wisc +154 ypg

 

[kburjr]

Offense vs Def

USC +89 ypg
UCF +110 ypg
Wisc +154 ypg

OSU +205 ypg

 

[Across The Field]

Congrats, and if ND played up to their ceiling they would have been National Champions.

That doesn't disprove my point whatsoever.