Should The NCAA Form a Separate Sub-Division For G5 Conferences?

[uncfan103]

I can't find Fresno St on there.

They were 84th before their conference championship. Sagarins SOS and ESPNs SOS were relatively similar.

 

[4down20]

If that's all you looked at, then that was the point of the link.

It's not a new link, I've seen it before. If there is something specific you want out of it, then fucking quote it.

 

[4down20]

They were 84th before their conference championship. Sagarins SOS and ESPNs SOS were relatively similar.

I don't give a fuck about Sagarin and never had. Any rankings that includes FCS teams is tainted.

I also don't care about ESPN's SoS record either as their FPI is influenced by humans. But if you are going to quote it, then quote it not another.

 

[7Samurai13]

A G5 school as next to no shot of making the playoffs to win a title so they should have there own playoff. Nearly every P5 team would have to have 3+ losses while the G5 is undefeated and even then I’m not sure.

 

[7Samurai13]

I don't give a fuck about Sagarin and never had. Any rankings that includes FCS teams is tainted.

I also don't care about ESPN's SoS record either as their FPI is influenced by humans. But if you are going to quote it, then quote it not another.

You only care about the Bro Brothers rankings who’s power rankings uses an awesomeness index which rewards teams more for losing games close than winning games close.

 

[uncfan103]

I don't give a fuck about Sagarin and never had. Any rankings that includes FCS teams is tainted.

I also don't care about ESPN's SoS record either as their FPI is influenced by humans. But if you are going to quote it, then quote it not another.

Lol. I can't quote ESPNs but I can tell you that Fresno's SOS wasn't much, if any, better than Central Floridas. Of the G5 teams in the top 25 at the end of the year Boise State was 76, UCF was 77 and Memphis was 78.

 

[4down20]

which rewards teams more for losing games close than winning games close.

Got any other bullshit to make up?

 

[4down20]

Lol. I can't quote ESPNs but I can tell you that Fresno's SOS wasn't much, if any, better than Central Floridas. Of the G5 teams in the top 25 at the end of the year Boise State was 76, UCF was 77 and Memphis was 78.

Fresno St played Alabama and Washington, and they also had Boise St twice.

And you don't think that's a tougher schedule than UCF?

 

[uncfan103]

Fresno St played Alabama and Washington, and they also had Boise St twice.

And you don't think that's a tougher schedule than UCF?

I think they're similar. UCF plays in a tougher conference. Obviously those two games are harder than the two hardest games on UCFs schedule, but top to bottom I don't think Fresno's schedule was decidedly more difficult.

 

[7Samurai13]

Got any other bullshit to make up?

Explain how Florida State and Michigan, neither one with a single quality win ranked over Michigan State who has a top ten win.

I’ll wait.

 

[4down20]

I think they're similar. UCF plays in a tougher conference. Obviously those two games are harder than the two hardest games on UCFs schedule, but top to bottom I don't think Fresno's schedule was decidedly more difficult.

So you think a bunch of 50-100 ranked teams makes a difference in schedule strength more than playing 2 teams like Washington and Alabama?

Can't fix stupid.

 

[4down20]

Explain how Florida State and Michigan, neither one with a single quality win ranked over Michigan State who has a top ten win.

I’ll wait.

Because they are power rankings, not season rankings.

Not my fault you can't understand the difference.

 

[7Samurai13]

Because they are power rankings, not season rankings.

Not my fault you can't understand the difference.

So their “power rankings” reward losing games. Got it.

 

[4down20]

So their “power rankings” reward losing games. Got it.

No, they measure team strength while taking opponent quality into account.

SoS rankings:

Florida St: #5
Michigan St: #29

Florida had 6 losses and Michigan St had 3.

FEI:

#36 Florida St
#41 Michigan St

Exactly what are you complaining about? You lost to every good team you played except for Penn St. Are you pissed because it probably see's your Michigan win as a gift rather than the sign of a good team?

 

[7Samurai13]

No, they measure team strength while taking opponent quality into account.

SoS rankings:

Florida St: #5
Michigan St: #29

Florida had 6 losses and Michigan St had 3.

FEI:

#36 Florida St
#41 Michigan St

Exactly what are you complaining about? You lost to every good team you played except for Penn St. Are you pissed because it probably see's your Michigan win as a gift rather than the sign of a good team?

And Florida State beat which team that was good? Like I said, it rewards losing close games.

 

[4down20]

And Florida State beat which team that was good? Like I said, it rewards losing close games.

You mean because it's able to see strength win or lose it's "rewarding losing close games"?

That's fucking stupid and you know it.

 

[4down20]

And Florida State beat which team that was good? Like I said, it rewards losing close games.

If it makes you feel any better, I'd much rather S&P used for power rankings with their method of SoS, but it doesn't exist.

In the S&P Michigan St is 19 and Florida St is #43.

But still, the other SoS method is the best available.

 

[uncfan103]

So you think a bunch of 50-100 ranked teams makes a difference in schedule strength more than playing 2 teams like Washington and Alabama?

Can't fix stupid.

The hard weeks were harder, but UCF has had the harder game every week since week 3. Isn't that the argument SEC fans make constantly, it's harder winning week in and week out then it is to just have to win one or two big games? I think teams in the top 50-100 can be competitive, they're not all walk in the parks for top 25 teams.

 

[4down20]

The hard weeks were harder, but UCF has had the harder game every week since week 3. Isn't that the argument SEC fans make constantly, it's harder winning week in and week out then it is to just have to win one or two big games? I think teams in the top 50-100 can be competitive, they're not all walk in the parks for top 25 teams.

They are and should all be walks in the park for teams claiming to be national champions.

And you are greatly overstating the strength differences between the AAC and MWC. MWC is at worst the #2 G5 conference and it's no where near the difference the SEC once had over other conferences where the SEC had 8 teams in like the top30 or so.

And btw, teams don't play themselves so if you take UCF and Fresno St out of each conference, the order probably changes.

If Fresno St beats Alabama, Washington, Boise St twice and goes undefeated otherwise - they make the playoffs this year period.

 

[uncfan103]

They are and should all be walks in the park for teams claiming to be national champions.

And you are greatly overstating the strength differences between the AAC and MWC. MWC is at worst the #2 G5 conference and it's no where near the difference the SEC once had over other conferences where the SEC had 8 teams in like the top30 or so.

And btw, teams don't play themselves so if you take UCF and Fresno St out of each conference, the order probably changes.

If Fresno St beats Alabama, Washington, Boise St twice and goes undefeated otherwise - they make the playoffs this year period.

It may be behind the AAC, but the AAC is closer to the power 5's than they are the rest of the group of five schools. Even without UCF I think the AAC is stronger than the MWC with Fresno, doesn't mean I'm right but it's my opinion. Fresno may have been in the playoffs but they're strength of schedule is still right there on par with UCF; which is why several people are claiming UCF doesn't belong.