POLL If he's hired (and it's looking like he will) is Gruden a good hire?

[eaglesnut]

What DC will he bring in? Has to get that right.

 

[cdumler7]

Definitely need to see his staff before saying one way or the other as sometimes those guys can have the bigger impact than the HC on a season. Also need to see what kind of power he is actually being given in the organization. Are they keeping Reggie McKenzie as heard he would be fired and Gruden would also be handed the GM title. IF that is the case then to me this whole thing will be a huge dumpster fire situation. Can't go from haven't coached in what 10 years to all of a sudden being the Head Coach and GM. Just too much all at once.

I'm also in the category of thinking that Gruden is overrated as a Head Coach. I don't think he is the QB whisperer every one makes him out to be. Rich Gannon is the one QB you can point to and say "see look at the success he had with Gruden." Otherwise it was a list of mediocre QB's that stayed mediocre whether with Gruden or not.

 

[Deacon]

I think he is vastly overrated, although he talks a great game.

His record as a head coach is 95/81 (540 winning percentage) and in the playoffs 5/4. He did win a SB with Dungy's team.

Fixed it for ya...

 

[Pattersonca65]

Definitely need to see his staff before saying one way or the other as sometimes those guys can have the bigger impact than the HC on a season. Also need to see what kind of power he is actually being given in the organization. Are they keeping Reggie McKenzie as heard he would be fired and Gruden would also be handed the GM title. IF that is the case then to me this whole thing will be a huge dumpster fire situation. Can't go from haven't coached in what 10 years to all of a sudden being the Head Coach and GM. Just too much all at once.

I'm also in the category of thinking that Gruden is overrated as a Head Coach. I don't think he is the QB whisperer every one makes him out to be. Rich Gannon is the one QB you can point to and say "see look at the success he had with Gruden." Otherwise it was a list of mediocre QB's that stayed mediocre whether with Gruden or not.

I didn't hear that rumor about giving Gruden GM duties. That wouldn't end well

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Do you think they go into Pittsburgh and beat them before getting to the SB?

With Kordell Stewart at QB? Absolutely.

 

[cdumler7]

I didn't hear that rumor about giving Gruden GM duties. That wouldn't end well

I had heard that at one point. Not sure how true or false it actually is. Which is again at this point hard to really know one way or the other. A lot does depend on who he surrounds himself with and how much responsibility he is given. To me year one he needs to be Head Coach and that is it. That is plenty for one person especially when they have been out of the field for a while.

 

[Pattersonca65]

I had heard that at one point. Not sure how true or false it actually is. Which is again at this point hard to really know one way or the other. A lot does depend on who he surrounds himself with and how much responsibility he is given. To me year one he needs to be Head Coach and that is it. That is plenty for one person especially when they have been out of the field for a while.

Exactly. There are few coaches I would give that much responsibility to anyway. I think if he is given some control over the final roster and input in personnel descisions, that should be enough.

 

[Mondo Jay]

Looking forward to him being hired and then him failing miserably.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

The "Gruden won with Dungy's players" take is something that lazy fans in Minnesota like to use to worship Dungy. He could not be more overrated in this part of the country because he was a Gopher QB and was a Vikings Coordinator. People revere him like he's a combination of Vince Lombardi and Bill Belichick.

In reality, Tony usually ended every season but one with an epic choke.

Gruden did what Dungy was not able to with "Dungy" guys (although Sapp and Brooks were there before Tony got there) what Dungy was not able to.

 

[broncosmitty]

Don't know what Gruden is gonna do that Del Río couldn't.


But glad he won't be on TV anymore.

 

[broncosmitty]

The "Gruden won with Dungy's players" take is something that lazy fans in Minnesota like to use to worship Dungy. He could not be more overrated in this part of the country because he was a Gopher QB and was a Vikings Coordinator. People revere him like he's a combination of Vince Lombardi and Bill Belichick.

In reality, Tony usually ended every season but one with an epic choke.

Gruden did what Dungy was not able to with "Dungy" guys (although Sapp and Brooks were there before Tony got there) what Dungy was not able to.

Dungys HS beat my HS in the state finals this year. So fuck him.


And RIP Flip Saunders.

 

[cdumler7]

The "Gruden won with Dungy's players" take is something that lazy fans in Minnesota like to use to worship Dungy. He could not be more overrated in this part of the country because he was a Gopher QB and was a Vikings Coordinator. People revere him like he's a combination of Vince Lombardi and Bill Belichick.

In reality, Tony usually ended every season but one with an epic choke.

Gruden did what Dungy was not able to with "Dungy" guys (although Sapp and Brooks were there before Tony got there) what Dungy was not able to.

There is something to say about him being able to help them get over the hump. The question has to be asked though of can he build a championship roster or does he need to go somewhere with an already very established roster? This is why I'm waiting to hear about whether he gets GM duties as well or not. I don't think that is a big strength of his in finding talent.

 

[Mike A. S.]

Depends on the definition of "good hire". I think he would still be a decent coach, but not as good as his reputation is and also they shouldn't have fired Jack Del Rio. So everything considered I would say not a good hire (especially if they give ownership stake as well, which I've heard rumored), but still a decent coach.

 

[Kenny]

I'm hoping he will be a good hire. So much hype around him. We need someone who can discipline these players. Raiders always seem to be breaking some kind of penalties record every year. This is super frustrating, along with all the dropped balls this year.

 

[mrschaney]

Horrible hire for the Raiders, or any team for that matter. Maybe for a color coordinator with a network or something. Now his brother, he is some talent!

 

[VikingFan2k2]

There is something to say about him being able to help them get over the hump. The question has to be asked though of can he build a championship roster or does he need to go somewhere with an already very established roster? This is why I'm waiting to hear about whether he gets GM duties as well or not. I don't think that is a big strength of his in finding talent.

I thought that those Raiders teams of the early 2000s were well assembled older teams, one made it to the Superbowl and one should have.

And that thorough destruction that Tampa Bay did was partly due to Gruden running the scout team as Gannon and mimicking his mannerisms so perfectly that John Lynch said the entire Superbowl felt like that week's practice.

I am not sure about his ability to build a defense, but he knows his offense.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Horrible hire for the Raiders, or any team for that matter. Maybe for a color coordinator with a network or something. Now his brother, he is some talent!

Jon's brother wouldn't be where he's at right now if he didn't happen to share his last name.

 

[Oldschool739]

Going to get a lot of hate but he's no Jeff Fisher.

He has been covering football as an analyst and while being a coach is different......I think he's still up to date on the NFL. I don't think the game has passed him by, he's still a relatively young 54.

He's primed to be even better this time around, having been so informed on the draft and it's players to be...And most important has gotten to watch and analyze all the different NFL teams, systems and players....There's a lot of talent on that Raiders team and he may just make them the new boss in town....

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

I think for the Raiders is a great move, the #1 priority for them is to get Carr back on track, and thats what Gruden does best

Maybe he can convince the OL to block better

 

[DJ]

And to be fair, he should have won a SB with the Raiders if the league didnt make up a rule on the fly in order to help the Patriots win

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