Why did 11 - 1 Alabama get picked over 12 - 1 Wisconsin?

[7Samurai13]

Bout time Bielema gets the credit he deserves.

He's fun to make fun of because he's fat and says dumb things, but he has really made Arkansas a team I don't want to play. Even when they were doing well under Petrino, Arkansas wasn't extremely scary.

The reason for that was because Arkansas could never run the ball under Petrino. They would score some points, but they could never finish out a close game because they couldn't run the ball and eat the clock.

The Arkansas team now is the opposite of that. They play good defense, they run the ball and eat clock with long drives. It may not be as sexy as some offenses, but the shit is scary.

Unless they for some odd reason regress this year, he deserves the #3 spot.

I doubt that. The only thing I ever liked about him was he ran the ball.

Sounds like you thought he was a really good coach.

 

[4down20]

quotes

Thanks for quoting a post that confirms what I said?

I praised him for.....running the ball. And I said unless they regress - which they did.

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

Fisher had zero experience as a head coach when he took over.
Bobby only had 6 years as a HC at a big school and had never had a double digit
win season at WVU. He had 18 at FSU.
Coach Pete had zero seasons as a HC when we hired him in 1960.

When you can offer the HC an ample supply of players, on hand, and keys to the safe in the
most skill position populated State in the Union...things have a way of working out for the good.

Fisher had 15 years working as a coach at major P5 schools, including multiple years at FSU as OC under Bowden (Auburn, LSU and FSU).

And you can say til you are blue in the face about offering an ample supply of players, etc., but you just had a coach walk away from the program to go to ANOTHER CFB program. Then to replace him, you hired someone who has 2 years as a RB coach at Stanford and one mediocre year at Oregon.

FYI — if FSU was stacked with talent, why did one player go down and the whole team fell apart?

 

[7Samurai13]

Thanks for quoting a post that confirms what I said?

I praised him for.....running the ball. And I said unless they regress - which they did.

And you said he turned the program around and they were “scary”. He is and always has been a shitty coach.

 

[4down20]

And you said he turned the program around and they were “scary”. He is and always has been a shitty coach.

He took over a team after John L Smith, so I gave him some cushion.

You should know what that's like.

 

[7Samurai13]

He took over a team after John L Smith, so I gave him some cushion.

You should know what that's like.

John L Smith has more BigTen coach of the year awards than Jim Harbaugh.

Fight Club 2

 

[Deep Creek]

The short and sweet answer...Bama sells more.

Bama vs GA or Bama vs OU is a much bigger draw than the Badgers vs either one of those teams.

Nah, just ask @4down20. Money is not what drives college football.

That said, I agree with 4d in that $$$ isn't the reason the CFP chose Bama over Wisky or tOSU this year. Bama's better than either IMHO. If anything they were more concerned about another B1G team laying an egg. In fact, tOSU would probably draw just as much $$$ if not more than Bama.

 

[4down20]

Nah, just ask @4down20. Money is not what drives college football.

That said, I agree with 4d in that $$$ isn't the reason the CFP chose Bama over Wisky or tOSU this year. Bama's better than either IMHO. If anything they were more concerned about another B1G team laying an egg. In fact, tOSU would probably draw just as much $$$ if not more than Bama.

The only people Ohio St would draw more money for is ESPN, and yes they would draw more.

College football itself gets the same amount of money no matter who makes it. All the P5 conferences get the same amount of money(relative to number of teams) no matter who makes the playoffs as well(about $50 million each) - but, the bowl games also pay out separately with the playoff games paying around $5 million or so. Still, top bowl games aren't too far behind. G5's also get paid, but at a much lesser amount.

So all in all, pretty much all the conferences make about the same amount of money out of these things. The SEC will make more than most because 2 teams in playoffs and getting the higher bowl game money twice, but that's a difference of a few million, a small % in terms of the whole.

They all get paid no matter what, all the money goes to the schools and programs and is invested back into the program. Why would they sacrifice the sport for money? Everything they do and have done in history is invest and make things better. But still, people want to claim money is the reason behind decisions - because it appeals to the cynical side of people and doesn't require any actual proof or logic.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Nah, just ask @4down20. Money is not what drives college football.

That said, I agree with 4d in that $$$ isn't the reason the CFP chose Bama over Wisky or tOSU this year. Bama's better than either IMHO. If anything they were more concerned about another B1G team laying an egg. In fact, tOSU would probably draw just as much $$$ if not more than Bama.

Ideally you would the think the CFP playoff committee wouldn't care at all about prestige, viewership, etc. But when you start getting down to the fine print of who to take...it was always going to be tough for WISC to overtake the tradition and recent success Bama has had on this stage.

OSU or MICH in the same position as WISC...now it's a lot more difficult decision.

 

[4down20]

Ideally you would the think the CFP playoff committee wouldn't care at all about prestige, viewership, etc. But when you start getting down to the fine print of who to take...it was always going to be tough for WISC to overtake the tradition and recent success Bama has had on this stage.

OSU or MICH in the same position as WISC...now it's a lot more difficult decision.

^prime example. 0 evidence or real logic, but because "money" it must be true!

Except if it was about money, Ohio St would have gotten in over Alabama and the last thing they would have wanted was 2 SEC teams in the playoff - which on top of the Clemson team being in the southeast puts 3 teams in the southeast in the playoffs, and not a single team from the rich market areas like Ohio St.

Instead, the focus is on Wisconsin and that Alabama because it more suits the chosen narrative.

Afterall, it's fucking impossible that they just picked the 4 best teams. There must be some other reason.

 

[NolePride]

Fisher had 15 years working as a coach at major P5 schools, including multiple years at FSU as OC under Bowden (Auburn, LSU and FSU).

And you can say til you are blue in the face about offering an ample supply of players, etc., but you just had a coach walk away from the program to go to ANOTHER CFB program. Then to replace him, you hired someone who has 2 years as a RB coach at Stanford and one mediocre year at Oregon.

FYI — if FSU was stacked with talent, why did one player go down and the whole team fell apart?

But he didn't have any head coaching experience. That's what you have been harping on. Taggart, at 41
has already turned around 2 programs. Low Mid-Major (WKU) High Mid-Major (USF) and posted a
winning season in his first season at Oregon taking them from 4-8 to 7-5 in his only season.

Fisher walked away from FSU because we weren't going to accept his excuses anymore. I wrote this
back in early Novermber, late October, that he had already been told he was going to fire Trickett
and Kelly at the end of the year, or the next HC was going to fire Kelly and Tricket.

He didn't like that. Too fuckin' bad.

Your last statement is the reason that FSU fans had really turned the heat up on him and were
making the threats. We wanted to know that also.

Ever since his wife went out screwing around...he has spent the majority of his time...using our
money to purchase hair for his bald head and has been "dating." He wasn't taking care of business.
Nobody at FSU shed a tear with his departure. And nobody ever will.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

^prime example. 0 evidence or real logic, but because "money" it must be true!

Except if it was about money, Ohio St would have gotten in over Alabama and the last thing they would have wanted was 2 SEC teams in the playoff - which on top of the Clemson team being in the southeast puts 3 teams in the southeast in the playoffs, and not a single team from the rich market areas like Ohio St.

Instead, the focus is on Wisconsin and that Alabama because it more suits the chosen narrative.

Afterall, it's fucking impossible that they just picked the 4 best teams. There must be some other reason.

Yep...when in doubt...follow the money trail.

Listen, you likely know a lot more about the two teams than I do...They probably did get the best 4. Admittedly, I'm a fringe CFB fan. Idk anything about Buckeye football currently but I know that OSU has a stronger national appeal than WIS. Just as I know Bama has a stronger national appeal than WIS.

If a committee is charged with selecting between Bama and WIS to represent their CFP playoff, WIS is going to have a better record or a h-t-h win to be chosen over AL. OSU could get the nod over AL in a even record situation.

What's at the core of that thinking? It may never be said, but more fringe fans will tune in to see Bama is part of
the thinking imo.

In the same vein.

GA Tech has one of the worst traveling fan bases. Bowl directors pay attention to such things...and it's a big reason why Tech is not real high on the invite list for bowls when they're eligible.

 

[4down20]

Yep...when in doubt...follow the money trail.

Listen, you likely know a lot more about the two teams than I do...They probably did get the best 4. Admittedly, I'm a fringe CFB fan. Idk anything about Buckeye football currently but I know that OSU has a stronger national appeal than WIS. Just as I know Bama has a stronger national appeal than WIS.

If a committee is charged with selecting between Bama and WIS to represent their CFP playoff, WIS is going to have a better record or a h-t-h win to be chosen over AL. OSU could get the nod over AL in a even record situation.

What's at the core of that thinking? It may never be said, but more fringe fans will tune in to see Bama is part of
the thinking imo.

In the same vein.

GA Tech has one of the worst traveling fan bases. Bowl directors pay attention to such things...and it's a big reason why Tech is not real high on the invite list for bowls when they're eligible.

Wisconsin didn't make it in over Alabama because they had the same record, but played a weaker schedule and didn't look as good as Alabama did doing it.

Ohio St didn't make it in over Alabama because they had 2 losses, one of them being a 30 pt blow out loss to a 7-5 team.

Money had nothing to do with it. In fact, the rankings were probably about the least money making results possible - except for 1 factor. Wisconsin itself has no draw, and that is true. But people hate the idea of 2 SEC teams and they especially hate Alabama, so many people would have rather seen Wisconsin or Ohio St. That entire conference is shut out, so is the Pac12.

The 1 factor that makes the match ups more profitable isn't about the teams themselves, but rather it seems like some really high quality match ups. Clemson vs Alabama part 3, and the high powered Oklahoma offense vs the stout Georgia defense. A result of taking the 4 best teams.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Wisconsin didn't make it in over Alabama because they had the same record, but played a weaker schedule and didn't look as good as Alabama did doing it.

Ohio St didn't make it in over Alabama because they had 2 losses, one of them being a 30 pt blow out loss to a 7-5 team.

Money had nothing to do with it. In fact, the rankings were probably about the least money making results possible - except for 1 factor. Wisconsin itself has no draw, and that is true. But people hate the idea of 2 SEC teams and they especially hate Alabama, so many people would have rather seen Wisconsin or Ohio St. That entire conference is shut out, so is the Pac12.

The 1 factor that makes the match ups more profitable isn't about the teams themselves, but rather it seems like some really high quality match ups. Clemson vs Alabama part 3, and the high powered Oklahoma offense vs the stout Georgia defense. A result of taking the 4 best teams.

Ok, fair and I agree with most of that. Bama was chosen for the reasons you gave. Sure the rankings should never be about prestige or ratings or any of that...obviously it should be about competition.

I still think Brands matter. I think a school with lessor pedigree but same record is going to have a tough time getting that vote unless the committee wants a Cinderella.

Charlie Strong's USF team is going to the Birmingham Bowl next week vs TX Tech...they sent them reportedly 9000 tix...USF has returned 7000 of those tix.

If USF doesn't improve on that showing a great deal, a bowl committee is not going to forget that. Next time they would rather take a 6 win TN team that will bring 15,000 fans to the bowl instead of a 8 win USF team that might bring 2 or 3,000 fans.

 

[4down20]

Ok, fair and I agree with most of that. Bama was chosen for the reasons you gave. Sure the rankings should never be about prestige or ratings or any of that...obviously it should be about competition.

I still think Brands matter. I think a school with lessor pedigree but same record is going to have a tough time getting that vote unless the committee wants a Cinderella.

Charlie Strong's USF team is going to the Birmingham Bowl next week vs TX Tech...they sent them reportedly 9000 tix...USF has returned 7000 of those tix.

If USF doesn't improve on that showing a great deal, a bowl committee is not going to forget that. Next time they would rather take a 6 win TN team that will bring 15,000 fans to the bowl instead of a 8 win USF team that might bring 2 or 3,000 fans.

Playoff selection isn't the same as bowl selection. Bowl games are independent entities and they will take what gives them the best money. Playoff selection committee is done based only on the merits.

Brands do matter. Teams that have brand names are generally more likely to field quality teams.

Alabama has a brand over Wisconsin, sure. But that doesn't mean Alabama gets a free pass over Wisconsin, it means Alabama gets more talent and is the safer bet in general.

But that's more about preseason rankings. As the season folds, we see if it's warranted or not.

 

[Voltaire26]

John L Smith has more BigTen coach of the year awards than Jim Harbaugh.

Fight Club 2

How did a thread about Alabama and Wisconsin turn into a Jim Harbaugh thread? Jim Harbaugh is a 3rd rate coach of a 2nd rate team. As long as Harbaugh is coach of Michigan you don't have to worry about him coaching Michigan State or Michigan beating Michigan State ... now run along!!

 

[TrustMeIamRight]

But he didn't have any head coaching experience. That's what you have been harping on. Taggart, at 41
has already turned around 2 programs. Low Mid-Major (WKU) High Mid-Major (USF) and posted a
winning season in his first season at Oregon taking them from 4-8 to 7-5 in his only season.

Fisher walked away from FSU because we weren't going to accept his excuses anymore. I wrote this
back in early Novermber, late October, that he had already been told he was going to fire Trickett
and Kelly at the end of the year, or the next HC was going to fire Kelly and Tricket.

He didn't like that. Too fuckin' bad.

Your last statement is the reason that FSU fans had really turned the heat up on him and were
making the threats. We wanted to know that also.

Ever since his wife went out screwing around...he has spent the majority of his time...using our
money to purchase hair for his bald head and has been "dating." He wasn't taking care of business.
Nobody at FSU shed a tear with his departure. And nobody ever will.

Your statement tells you why a school located in a state with skill position players everywhere has a coach with 3 years of any coaching experience at the P5 level.

When you have fans making threats to your coaches — you know you are the trailer park of the south. No wonder Fisher couldn’t wait to get out of there.

 

[Voltaire26]

Back to the original question: Why did 11 - 1 Alabama get picked over 12 - 1 Wisconsin?

Alabama is a better team.

 

[7Samurai13]

How did a thread about Alabama and Wisconsin turn into a Jim Harbaugh thread? Jim Harbaugh is a 3rd rate coach of a 2nd rate team. As long as Harbaugh is coach of Michigan you don't have to worry about him coaching Michigan State or Michigan beating Michigan State ... now run along!!

Talk to ubër homer fan @TrustMeIamRight and ubër conference homer @4down20 . I’m just using the materials I’m given. I didn’t bring him up first but I’m going to shoot at anything that moves.

 

[Voltaire26]

Talk to ubër homer fan @TrustMeIamRight and ubër conference homer @4down20 . I’m just using the materials I’m given. I didn’t bring him up first but I’m going to shoot at anything that moves.

Harbaugh is my coach and Michigan is my team ... Michigan is not in the playoff discussion because Penn State dismantled them and Michigan State, ohio state and Wisconsin beat them ... case closed

The girl shooting has a nice butt ... I am truly sorry if she is offended and assaulted by my claim!!!