Second cup of Coffee Talk

[elocomotive]

I struggle to think of a major piece of Republican legislation he didn't vote for (Bush tax cuts don't count because he later voted to extend them), or a major piece of Democratic legislation he voted for since the start of the W Admin. Just one.

He spoke out a lot the past few weeks about the healthcare bill and not being thrilled about its effects on Medicaid. Do you really think he wasn’t going to vote for it?

He speaks tough then tows the party lines. By definition, he isn't carrying out adminstratively what he speaks about in public. In my book, that's a textbook little bitch move.

I already said I don't ideologically align with him. He's a Republican. I'm not. But if you're going to have an opposition person, would you rather have a complete moron like Jess Sessions, an obstructionist like Mitch McConnell, a meglomaniac who appeals to the lowest common denominator like Trump? Or a guy like John McCain.

I also said he towed the party line less when he was younger. Honestly, most politicians get a little bit rigid/stupid/senile as they reach old age, and some are there far too long (I actually support an age maximum of 70 for all national offices). But McCain's voting record does show a high degree over bucking the party line over the years. From FactCheck.Org

...in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president’s position 95 percent of the time – the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office – and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain’s support of President Bush’s position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party’s position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

Keep in mind that many votes are either procedural or on unanimous issues, so even a Democrat would have "voted with Bush" about 40 percent of the time. By that benchmark, McCain voted more often with the Dems in 2001 than he did his own party on votes that were contentious.

 

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did oj just submarine his parole?

/He'll probably still get parole, I just wanted to post the above.

 

[esls79]

did oj just submarine his parole?

Sweet - contrarian betting works for parole hearings too

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

I already said I don't ideologically align with him. He's a Republican. I'm not. But if you're going to have an opposition person, would you rather have a complete moron like Jess Sessions, an obstructionist like Mitch McConnell, a meglomaniac who appeals to the lowest common denominator like Trump? Or a guy like John McCain.

Morons, obstructionists, megalomaniacs and hyprocrites all fall under the same "bad politician" umbrella to me. One doesn't gain superiority over the other in some twisted ranking system.

I also said he towed the party line less when he was younger. Honestly, most politicians get a little bit rigid/stupid/senile as they reach old age, and some are there far too long (I actually support an age maximum of 70 for all national offices). But McCain's voting record does show a high degree over bucking the party line over the years. From FactCheck.Org

...in 2007 McCain voted in line with the president’s position 95 percent of the time – the highest percentage rate for McCain since Bush took office – and voted in line with his party 90 percent of the time. However, McCain’s support of President Bush’s position has been as low as 77 percent (in 2005), and his support for his party’s position has been as low as 67 percent (2001).

Keep in mind that many votes are either procedural or on unanimous issues, so even a Democrat would have "voted with Bush" about 40 percent of the time. By that benchmark, McCain voted more often with the Dems in 2001 than he did his own party on votes that were contentious.

Hmmmmmm, I wonder why he wouldn't have supported Bush all that much in 2001. What ever could've happened there?

Republican Party presidential primaries, 2000 - Wikipedia

Oh. Right.

 

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OJ should bust out the Ellis Boyd Redding speech at his parole hearing:

OJ: There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here, because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then: a young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I want to talk to him. I want to try to talk some sense to him, tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone, and this old man is all that's left. I got to live with that. Rehabilitated? It's just a bullshit word. So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit.

 

[elocomotive]

Dan Rather is a liberal snowflake that is part of the fake news conspiracy to bring down this county. Did I do that comeback right?

Not to be the grammar police, but you spelled libtard wrong.

 

[dash]

Not to be the grammar police, but you spelled libtard wrong.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Just want to say hi

 

[elocomotive]

So, six months in, and on and on it goes. Where it ends no one knows.

So basically we're all living this...

 

[elocomotive]

Morons, obstructionists, megalomaniacs and hyprocrites all fall under the same "bad politician" umbrella to me. One doesn't gain superiority over the other in some twisted ranking system.

Twisted ranking system? Huh? I'm saying McCain is not those things, unlike many of his contemporaries.

Hmmmmmm, I wonder why he wouldn't have supported Bush all that much in 2001. What ever could've happened there?

Republican Party presidential primaries, 2000 - Wikipedia

Oh. Right.

Uh... 2001 is after 2000 if I'm... hang on a second. Carry the 2.... and then keep pi in... yup! It was. I don't care about the factors. (objection, relevance) You said he always voted with Bush. That is wrong. He did not vote with Bush and his party in many years, sometimes by wide margins.

 

[elocomotive]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Just want to say hi

That's quite the pull! Did you bookmark that five years ago waiting for the perfect time to spring your trap?!?



RIP Gorton's Fisherman. I miss him.

 

[forty_three]

OJ should bust out the Ellis Boyd Redding speech at his parole hearing:

OJ: There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Not because I'm in here, because you think I should. I look back on the way I was then: a young, stupid kid who committed that terrible crime. I want to talk to him. I want to try to talk some sense to him, tell him the way things are. But I can't. That kid's long gone, and this old man is all that's left. I got to live with that. Rehabilitated? It's just a bullshit word. So you go on and stamp your form, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit.

Not a day goes by that I don't look for the real killers. Not because I think I'll find them or you want me to, but because I said I would. I look back at the way I was then and I think "FUCKING GENIUS WEARING SMALL GLOVES LIKE THAT!" I want to congratulate him on being so smart. But I can't. That kid is as long gone as the knife I gave to Kardashian. I got to live with that for a while until someone stole my football cards. Rehabilitated? Shit. What the fuck you think I think I done wrong? So go on and stamp your forms, sonny and quit wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I know where Kardashian buried the knife.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Just want to say hi

How in the name of jebus did I miss that thread?

 

[dash]

That's quite the pull! Did you bookmark that five years ago waiting for the perfect time to spring your trap?!?



RIP Gorton's Fisherman. I miss him.

The search feature with this software that powers the SportsHoopla forums is pretty good

 

[esls79]

McCain was part of the Keating Five - he got caught and although the Sentate ethics committee didn't bring down the hammer on him, he was caught nonetheless. If you're gonna grease the skids on either side, don't get caught. He got caught and shouldn't have been a senator for the past 25 years. That's my stance on the matter.

 

[elocomotive]

The search feature with this software that powers the SportsHoopla forums is pretty good

Search feature? It's just a bullshit word. So go ahead and find my old posts, sonny, and stop wasting my time. Because to tell you the truth, I don't give a shit.

 

[elocomotive]

McCain was part of the Keating Five - he got caught and although the Sentate ethics committee didn't bring down the hammer on him, he was caught nonetheless. If you're gonna grease the skids on either side, don't get caught. He got caught and shouldn't have been a senator for the past 25 years. That's my stance on the matter.

 

[Comeds]

OJ: There's not a day goes by I don't feel regret. Going to San Francisco to finish my career, what was I thinking. And I feel no regret for the Naked Gun movies, they were great and a lot of fun. But where was my head when I starred in not one but two Goldie and The Boxer movies? But I am not that person anymore so I think I should be paroled. Hey judge, you and the jury might get a kick out of this, my character's name in Naked Gun was Nordberg. If you call this the Nordberg trial you might get more viewers. Seriously though, the NAZIs were bad. Bad hombres. Thank you.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

Twisted ranking system? Huh? I'm saying McCain is not those things, unlike many of his contemporaries.

I understand that. I'm saying that he's a hypocrite which makes him just as bad as any of them. I don't view one of those politicians as any better or worse than the other.
[/QUOTE]

Uh... 2001 is after 2000 if I'm... hang on a second. Carry the 2.... and then keep pi in... yup! It was. I don't care about the factors. (objection, relevance) You said he always voted with Bush. That is wrong. He did not vote with Bush and his party in many years, sometimes by wide margins.

Except he did lol. Your last comment literally said he voted with Bush 95% of the time in 07. He voted 85% two years earlier. He has voted with his party 87% of the time since 1987. Literally the only time period in which he split noticeably from the rest of the pack was in 2001 when, once again, he was probably still a little peeved that the guy who beat him for the presidential nomination accused him of fathering a black child with a NYC prostitute during the SC primary. Not sure what makes you think that wouldn't have any effect on how he co-operates with the president but I'm pretty confident it did.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

By the way, he's voted 90% with Trump's positions in congress so far.

 

[sbb122]

RIP Chester Bennington.

 

[Bloody Brian Burke]

RIP Chester Bennington.

Christ wtf.