Zion Williamson...does Cleveland get the closest thing to Lebron?

[msgkings322]

Williamson is “the next big thing”. A “can’t miss” prospect.

Traylor was the #6 pick and Baby was damn near Mr Irrevelant. Where is the comparison?

Just thinking of big fat guys LOL

He does appear to be better than those guys

 

[msgkings322]

OK I take back what I said about Zion, he's kind of a no doubter. Looks good tonight. But it hit me, he's not another LeBron, he's more like another Blake I think...

 

[tlance]

OK I take back what I said about Zion, he's kind of a no doubter. Looks good tonight. But it hit me, he's not another LeBron, he's more like another Blake I think...

Blake 2.0 maybe.

The LeBron comps are a reach, IMO. Pretty decent chance Barrett or Reddish end up being better.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Blake 2.0 maybe.

The LeBron comps are a reach, IMO. Pretty decent chance Barrett or Reddish end up being better.

if the Wiz want to cough up their lotto pick i am pretty sure Dan Gilbert will take a bad salary or two off their hands!

 

[tlance]

if the Wiz want to cough up their lotto pick i am pretty sure Dan Gilbert will take a bad salary or two off their hands!

The bad salaries aren't the problem unless you are including Wall in that.

Tell you what, I would deal you Wall and an expiring like Rivers for your unprotected first + JR and either George Hill or TT.

Deal?

 

[WiggyRuss]

The bad salaries aren't the problem unless you are including Wall in that.

Tell you what, I would deal you Wall and an expiring like Rivers for your unprotected first + JR and either George Hill or TT.

Deal?

lol

the Wiz's contracts of Wall and Porter are atrocious.....you think you are getting real positive value out of them at THIS point?

 

[shopson67]

Blake 2.0 maybe.

The LeBron comps are a reach, IMO. Pretty decent chance Barrett or Reddish end up being better.

Maybe Lebron without the court vision/passing. Still has a ways to go even then.

 

[The Derski]

Barrett again outplays Zion. Barrett again gets way less press.

Barrett will be the #1 pick.

 

[WiggyRuss]

The bad salaries aren't the problem unless you are including Wall in that.

Tell you what, I would deal you Wall and an expiring like Rivers for your unprotected first + JR and either George Hill or TT.

Deal?

LOL

Smith has not been bought out because his contract is actually an asset--- ESPECIALLY because his contract is grandfathered in under the old CBA.

His guaranteed portion is a fraction of unguaranteed portion next year. In the new CBA, you can only use the GUARANTEED portion of the contract. Sicne Smith's contract is grandfathered in- teams can use the whole amount- and then cut him.

It makes it a unique asset that the Cavs will try and get a pick for to a team that wants to cut cap space this upcoming summer. Its not an accident that Griffin structured his deal like that either

George Hill actually has a very similar deal- but its even with less guarantees than Smith- and his contract is also unguaranteed to the tune of 1M against 20M

 

[tlance]

lol

the Wiz's contracts of Wall and Porter are atrocious.....you think you are getting real positive value out of them at THIS point?

Are you for real?

Just 2 weeks ago I mentioned a very similar deal possibility with Phoenix and you scoffed at that saying it wasn't close to enough for an "all star PG". Now Wall needs to be a salary dump?

Be consistent at least. Wall's contract is very similar to Love's. Both have injury risk. Wall is the better player and is making a proportionally larger dollar figure. Neither contract is a good one. At least a building team can somewhat easily trade for Wall because his current cap hit is a pretty reasonable number.

Nothing has changed since then except that amid the dysfunction the Wizards have actually won a few games.

 

[tlance]

Barrett again outplays Zion. Barrett again gets way less press.

Barrett will be the #1 pick.

Not sure he will be, but perhaps he should be.

 

[tlance]

LOL

Smith has not been bought out because his contract is actually an asset--- ESPECIALLY because his contract is grandfathered in under the old CBA.

His guaranteed portion is a fraction of unguaranteed portion next year. In the new CBA, you can only use the GUARANTEED portion of the contract. Sicne Smith's contract is grandfathered in- teams can use the whole amount- and then cut him.

It makes it a unique asset that the Cavs will try and get a pick for to a team that wants to cut cap space this upcoming summer. Its not an accident that Griffin structured his deal like that either

George Hill actually has a very similar deal- but its even with less guarantees than Smith- and his contract is also unguaranteed to the tune of 1M against 20M

I was trolling you genius.

Because last time I mentioned a wall trade idea you talked about how valuable he was.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Are you for real?

Just 2 weeks ago I mentioned a very similar deal possibility with Phoenix and you scoffed at that saying it wasn't close to enough for an "all star PG". Now Wall needs to be a salary dump?

Be consistent at least. Wall's contract is very similar to Love's. Both have injury risk. Wall is the better player and is making a proportionally larger dollar figure. Neither contract is a good one. At least a building team can somewhat easily trade for Wall because his current cap hit is a pretty reasonable number.

Nothing has changed since then except that amid the dysfunction the Wizards have actually won a few games.

i didnt realize Wall's contract has not even kicked in yet...and since then i have read more about his health issues

that would seriously worry me- he has FOUR more years after this.

A guy with health issues that relies on athleticism making like 40M per year........

Plus- i think if the Wiz were smart they would wait until the offseason to deal him anyway

asi said with Kevin love----- teams have dreams of Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler and Kyrie Irving etc. right now---- there are way more max spots out there than there are players.

At the end of the FA game of muscial chairs- plenty of teams that thought they had a shot at players will be left in the cold--- they will then look to the trade market.

A team like Brooklyn that has (maybe crazy) ideas of signing like Kawhi or whatever- when they miss out- they will look towards a plan B.

That is when Wall might be able to get dealt.

 

[Wamu]

I've never liked comparisons like this, basketball or football. It's impossible to predict what a CBB player will do @ the next level. There are plenty of examples. Like Danny Ferry will be the next Larry Bird. And I think it's unfair to the college kid that's yet to play a game @ the next level to be compared to an all time great. Kind of setting the future NBAer up for a bit of failure if he falls short of that expectation.

But stuff like this has been going on for decades & it won't change anytime soon.

 

[msgkings322]

LOL

Smith has not been bought out because his contract is actually an asset--- ESPECIALLY because his contract is grandfathered in under the old CBA.

His guaranteed portion is a fraction of unguaranteed portion next year. In the new CBA, you can only use the GUARANTEED portion of the contract. Sicne Smith's contract is grandfathered in- teams can use the whole amount- and then cut him.

It makes it a unique asset that the Cavs will try and get a pick for to a team that wants to cut cap space this upcoming summer. Its not an accident that Griffin structured his deal like that either

George Hill actually has a very similar deal- but its even with less guarantees than Smith- and his contract is also unguaranteed to the tune of 1M against 20M

Sounds like you have a good GM there in Griffin. Maybe he can help turn things around.

 

[WiggyRuss]

Sounds like you have a good GM there in Griffin. Maybe he can help turn things around.

I gotta say- I think Gilbert's biggest mistake was letting Griffin go.

 

[Wamu]

I gotta say- I think Gilbert's biggest mistake was letting Griffin go.

That still makes no sense.

 

[tlance]

i didnt realize Wall's contract has not even kicked in yet...and since then i have read more about his health issues

that would seriously worry me- he has FOUR more years after this.

A guy with health issues that relies on athleticism making like 40M per year........

Plus- i think if the Wiz were smart they would wait until the offseason to deal him anyway

asi said with Kevin love----- teams have dreams of Kawhi Leonard and Jimmy Butler and Kyrie Irving etc. right now---- there are way more max spots out there than there are players.

At the end of the FA game of muscial chairs- plenty of teams that thought they had a shot at players will be left in the cold--- they will then look to the trade market.

A team like Brooklyn that has (maybe crazy) ideas of signing like Kawhi or whatever- when they miss out- they will look towards a plan B.

That is when Wall might be able to get dealt.

Is this your way of admitting you were wrong?

Closest I have ever seen from you anyway.

So about Javale McGee....

 

[msgkings322]

I gotta say- I think Gilbert's biggest mistake was letting Griffin go.

For sure. What was the issue there, just money?

 

[WiggyRuss]

For sure. What was the issue there, just money?

i think it was final say over the roster. Griffin wanted it and Gilbert did not want to give it up--- it why he promoted within a young guy with no experience so he could run roughshod over him.