X-Men 4: Dark Phoenix (2019)

[BusSport]

X-Men: Dark Phoenix (2019), to be released on February 14, 2019 (Valentine's Day), will likely be the last entry (not counting the spin-off New Mutants) in the main X-Men series before Marvel reboots and recasts the entire series to integrate it for the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU) in the wake of Disney's acquisition of Fox.

Here is the official poster, showing title character Jean Grey / Dark Phoenix (Sophie Turner, Sansa Stark on Game of Thrones):

 

[BusSport]

Trailer just released on The Late Late Show with James Corden:

 

[UVA_Guy81]

Trailer just released on The Late Late Show with James Corden:

Looks good but really wish they had gotten someone else to play Jean Grey. And unfortunately, it looks like the Nathaniel Essex/Mr. Sinister stuff from the end credits scene of Apocalypse isn't going to amount to anything.

 

[calsnowskier]

Is the reboot your theory or something you have read/heard somewhere?

 

[UVA_Guy81]

Is the reboot your theory or something you have read/heard somewhere?

I've heard rumors about it but I have yet to see anything definitive one way or another. I'm sure Disney is probably going to keep the plans for it hush hush until the FOX acquisition is 100% finalized.

 

[BusSport]

Is the reboot your theory or something you have read/heard somewhere?

It's a wide consensus in the comic book and box office watcher communities. It's not good public relations for Disney/Marvel to outright say so, so they'll never outright say so, but Disney, Marvel Comics, and Marvel Studios have hated the XCU for years.

Imagine owning a valuable keepsake dear to your heart, but a couple decades ago, in dire financial straits and desperately needing money, you had lent your keepsake out to other people. Now, decades later, your financial situation has turned around and you're flush with cash, but those people who borrowed your keepsake are:

- using it in ways you have no creative control over
- refusing to give it back
- confusing general audiences who just see the word "Marvel" at the beginning of both XCU and MCU movies and assume they are all part of the same continuity when they are not
- hurting that overall Marvel brand by producing movies that are poorly received by both critics and audiences (e.g. Origins, Fantastic Four, Apocalypse)
- using the keepsake to make money in direct competition (earning money that you feel should be yours and hurting your franchises at the same time)
- affecting not just your movie business, but also your comic book business (resulting in the cancellation of X-Men and Fantastic Four books)

That's how frustrating the XCU has been to Marvel.

Disney, Marvel Studios, and Kevin Feige will reboot and recast the X-Men, but they won't announce anything until the acquisition of Fox is fully completed and Avengers 4 releases, both of which won't be until the middle of 2019.

With the acquisition close to completion, the writing's on the wall for the XCU, and Fox knows it. It's why Logan and Dark Phoenix are written like codas (endings). It's why the development slate on XCU movies beyond Dark Phoenix and New Mutants is nonexistent.

On a practical level, it is much easier to reboot than to integrate 20 years of past continuity they didn't create and try to make all the details sync up.

On a preferential level, rebooting over integration has the advantage that Disney/Marvel/Feige get to shape the characters and setting exactly how they want it to be, without having to keep any parts they dislike.

And it's not just about the creative aspect, but also the talent: by recasting, Disney/Marvel gets to negotiate actor contracts to the terms that they want rather than having to inherit actor contract details from Fox.

Finally, past precedent strongly indicates that Disney/Marvel will be rebooting and recasting. Every previous time Disney/Marvel has gotten one of their properties back, they have always rebooted and recast from all previous movies rather than tried to integrate those movies into their universe:

- MCU Spider-Man rebooted and recast from the Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield Spider-Man films
- MCU Daredevil and Elektra rebooted and recast from the Ben Affleck Daredevil and Jennifer Garner Elektra films
- MCU Hulk rebooted and recast from the Eric Bana Hulk film
- MCU Ghost Rider rebooted and recast from the Nicolas Cage Ghost Rider films
- MCU Punisher rebooted and recast from the Thomas Jane and Ray Stevenson Punisher films

There's a good chance Ryan Reynolds will remain Deadpool, because that franchise is the one part of the XCU that is consistently beloved by critics and general audience alike, and it is the one part easy to integrate into MCU continuity since a major aspect of Deadpool's character has always been surreal absurdity and breaking the fourth wall. The rest of the XCU is dead.

 

[BusSport]

Trailer just released on The Late Late Show with James Corden:

Also, same trailer on Fox's channel rather than James Corden's:

 

[calsnowskier]

It's a wide consensus in the comic book and box office watcher communities. It's not good public relations for Disney/Marvel to outright say so, so they'll never outright say so, but Disney, Marvel Comics, and Marvel Studios have hated the XCU for years.

Imagine owning a valuable keepsake dear to your heart, but a couple decades ago, in dire financial straits and desperately needing money, you had lent your keepsake out to other people. Now, decades later, your financial situation has turned around and you're flush with cash, but those people who borrowed your keepsake are:

- using it in ways you have no creative control over
- refusing to give it back
- confusing general audiences who just see the word "Marvel" at the beginning of both XCU and MCU movies and assume they are all part of the same continuity when they are not
- hurting that overall Marvel brand by producing movies that are poorly received by both critics and audiences (e.g. Origins, Fantastic Four, Apocalypse)
- using the keepsake to make money in direct competition (earning money that you feel should be yours and hurting your franchises at the same time)
- affecting not just your movie business, but also your comic book business (resulting in the cancellation of X-Men and Fantastic Four books)

That's how frustrating the XCU has been to Marvel.

Disney, Marvel Studios, and Kevin Feige will reboot and recast the X-Men, but they won't announce anything until the acquisition of Fox is fully completed and Avengers 4 releases, both of which won't be until the middle of 2019.

With the acquisition close to completion, the writing's on the wall for the XCU, and Fox knows it. It's why Logan and Dark Phoenix are written like codas (endings). It's why the development slate on XCU movies beyond Dark Phoenix and New Mutants is nonexistent.

On a practical level, it is much easier to reboot than to integrate 20 years of past continuity they didn't create and try to make all the details sync up.

On a preferential level, rebooting over integration has the advantage that Disney/Marvel/Feige get to shape the characters and setting exactly how they want it to be, without having to keep any parts they dislike.

And it's not just about the creative aspect, but also the talent: by recasting, Disney/Marvel gets to negotiate actor contracts to the terms that they want rather than having to inherit actor contract details from Fox.

Finally, past precedent strongly indicates that Disney/Marvel will be rebooting and recasting. Every previous time Disney/Marvel has gotten one of their properties back, they have always rebooted and recast from all previous movies rather than tried to integrate those movies into their universe:

- MCU Spider-Man rebooted and recast from the Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield Spider-Man films
- MCU Daredevil and Elektra rebooted and recast from the Ben Affleck Daredevil and Jennifer Garner Elektra films
- MCU Hulk rebooted and recast from the Eric Bana Hulk film
- MCU Ghost Rider rebooted and recast from the Nicolas Cage Ghost Rider films
- MCU Punisher rebooted and recast from the Thomas Jane and Ray Stevenson Punisher films

There's a good chance Ryan Reynolds will remain Deadpool, because that franchise is the one part of the XCU that is consistently beloved by critics and general audience alike, and it is the one part easy to integrate into MCU continuity since a major aspect of Deadpool's character has always been surreal absurdity and breaking the fourth wall. The rest of the XCU is dead.

Unrelated(ish)...

Do you have a good forum to discuss tv/movies? Since IMDb killed their forums, this is the only discussion site I know of with any kind of general discussion. I want to avoid topic-specific sites (for example something like MCU.com (not that that even exists)).

 

[MilkSpiller22]

It's a wide consensus in the comic book and box office watcher communities. It's not good public relations for Disney/Marvel to outright say so, so they'll never outright say so, but Disney, Marvel Comics, and Marvel Studios have hated the XCU for years.

Imagine owning a valuable keepsake dear to your heart, but a couple decades ago, in dire financial straits and desperately needing money, you had lent your keepsake out to other people. Now, decades later, your financial situation has turned around and you're flush with cash, but those people who borrowed your keepsake are:

- using it in ways you have no creative control over
- refusing to give it back
- confusing general audiences who just see the word "Marvel" at the beginning of both XCU and MCU movies and assume they are all part of the same continuity when they are not
- hurting that overall Marvel brand by producing movies that are poorly received by both critics and audiences (e.g. Origins, Fantastic Four, Apocalypse)
- using the keepsake to make money in direct competition (earning money that you feel should be yours and hurting your franchises at the same time)
- affecting not just your movie business, but also your comic book business (resulting in the cancellation of X-Men and Fantastic Four books)

That's how frustrating the XCU has been to Marvel.

Disney, Marvel Studios, and Kevin Feige will reboot and recast the X-Men, but they won't announce anything until the acquisition of Fox is fully completed and Avengers 4 releases, both of which won't be until the middle of 2019.

With the acquisition close to completion, the writing's on the wall for the XCU, and Fox knows it. It's why Logan and Dark Phoenix are written like codas (endings). It's why the development slate on XCU movies beyond Dark Phoenix and New Mutants is nonexistent.

On a practical level, it is much easier to reboot than to integrate 20 years of past continuity they didn't create and try to make all the details sync up.

On a preferential level, rebooting over integration has the advantage that Disney/Marvel/Feige get to shape the characters and setting exactly how they want it to be, without having to keep any parts they dislike.

And it's not just about the creative aspect, but also the talent: by recasting, Disney/Marvel gets to negotiate actor contracts to the terms that they want rather than having to inherit actor contract details from Fox.

Finally, past precedent strongly indicates that Disney/Marvel will be rebooting and recasting. Every previous time Disney/Marvel has gotten one of their properties back, they have always rebooted and recast from all previous movies rather than tried to integrate those movies into their universe:

- MCU Spider-Man rebooted and recast from the Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield Spider-Man films
- MCU Daredevil and Elektra rebooted and recast from the Ben Affleck Daredevil and Jennifer Garner Elektra films
- MCU Hulk rebooted and recast from the Eric Bana Hulk film
- MCU Ghost Rider rebooted and recast from the Nicolas Cage Ghost Rider films
- MCU Punisher rebooted and recast from the Thomas Jane and Ray Stevenson Punisher films

There's a good chance Ryan Reynolds will remain Deadpool, because that franchise is the one part of the XCU that is consistently beloved by critics and general audience alike, and it is the one part easy to integrate into MCU continuity since a major aspect of Deadpool's character has always been surreal absurdity and breaking the fourth wall. The rest of the XCU is dead.

But will they fix the mistakes from their own MCU?? like killing off Quicksilver,

 

[BusSport]

Unrelated(ish)...

Do you have a good forum to discuss tv/movies? Since IMDb killed their forums, this is the only discussion site I know of with any kind of general discussion. I want to avoid topic-specific sites (for example something like MCU.com (not that that even exists)).

If you liked IMDB, there's MovieChat, which specifically tried to replace IMDB's forums and sort of (very, very loosely) mimic their look. But it didn't really take off, and these film/TV forums are considerably more active than MovieChat:

AVForums, Blu-Ray, BoxOfficeTheory, MovieForums, TheDigitalFix, TVTropes

 

[calsnowskier]

If you liked IMDB, there's MovieChat, which specifically tried to replace IMDB's forums and sort of (very, very loosely) mimic their look. But it didn't really take off, and these film/TV forums are considerably more active than MovieChat:

AVForums, Blu-Ray, BoxOfficeTheory, MovieForums, TheDigitalFix, TVTropes

Thanks, I will check them out.

 

[Blackshirts BLVD]

Not gonna lie, I love the X-Men and these new sets of movies have been better(in my opinion) than the first three (especially X3), but I cannot wait for Marvel to take these back and introduce them into the Marvel Universe. X-men has never lived up to what it could be in my opinion.

 

[Wild Turkey]

I have zero interest in this movie. First Class showed promise and they jumped the shark. Take it behind the barn, shoot it and give the barn deed to Marvel.

 

[wildturkey]

It's a wide consensus in the comic book and box office watcher communities. It's not good public relations for Disney/Marvel to outright say so, so they'll never outright say so, but Disney, Marvel Comics, and Marvel Studios have hated the XCU for years.

Imagine owning a valuable keepsake dear to your heart, but a couple decades ago, in dire financial straits and desperately needing money, you had lent your keepsake out to other people. Now, decades later, your financial situation has turned around and you're flush with cash, but those people who borrowed your keepsake are:

- using it in ways you have no creative control over
- refusing to give it back
- confusing general audiences who just see the word "Marvel" at the beginning of both XCU and MCU movies and assume they are all part of the same continuity when they are not
- hurting that overall Marvel brand by producing movies that are poorly received by both critics and audiences (e.g. Origins, Fantastic Four, Apocalypse)
- using the keepsake to make money in direct competition (earning money that you feel should be yours and hurting your franchises at the same time)
- affecting not just your movie business, but also your comic book business (resulting in the cancellation of X-Men and Fantastic Four books)

That's how frustrating the XCU has been to Marvel.

Disney, Marvel Studios, and Kevin Feige will reboot and recast the X-Men, but they won't announce anything until the acquisition of Fox is fully completed and Avengers 4 releases, both of which won't be until the middle of 2019.

With the acquisition close to completion, the writing's on the wall for the XCU, and Fox knows it. It's why Logan and Dark Phoenix are written like codas (endings). It's why the development slate on XCU movies beyond Dark Phoenix and New Mutants is nonexistent.

On a practical level, it is much easier to reboot than to integrate 20 years of past continuity they didn't create and try to make all the details sync up.

On a preferential level, rebooting over integration has the advantage that Disney/Marvel/Feige get to shape the characters and setting exactly how they want it to be, without having to keep any parts they dislike.

And it's not just about the creative aspect, but also the talent: by recasting, Disney/Marvel gets to negotiate actor contracts to the terms that they want rather than having to inherit actor contract details from Fox.

Finally, past precedent strongly indicates that Disney/Marvel will be rebooting and recasting. Every previous time Disney/Marvel has gotten one of their properties back, they have always rebooted and recast from all previous movies rather than tried to integrate those movies into their universe:

- MCU Spider-Man rebooted and recast from the Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield Spider-Man films
- MCU Daredevil and Elektra rebooted and recast from the Ben Affleck Daredevil and Jennifer Garner Elektra films
- MCU Hulk rebooted and recast from the Eric Bana Hulk film
- MCU Ghost Rider rebooted and recast from the Nicolas Cage Ghost Rider films
- MCU Punisher rebooted and recast from the Thomas Jane and Ray Stevenson Punisher films

There's a good chance Ryan Reynolds will remain Deadpool, because that franchise is the one part of the XCU that is consistently beloved by critics and general audience alike, and it is the one part easy to integrate into MCU continuity since a major aspect of Deadpool's character has always been surreal absurdity and breaking the fourth wall. The rest of the XCU is dead.

It's not gonna happen but I firmly believe X-Men would actually work better as a expensive premium TV show similar to Game of Thrones. There's just too many awesome and interesting characters in X-Men for the movies to do them justice. A TV series would give them time to weave multiple stories together all at once. I know Disney wants to launch an OTT streaming service to rival Netflix and if I were an exec, an X-men series GOT's style would be a staple for it.

 

[BusSport]

I have zero interest in this movie. First Class showed promise and they jumped the shark. Take it behind the barn, shoot it and give the barn deed to Marvel.

It's not gonna happen but I firmly believe X-Men would actually work better as a expensive premium TV show similar to Game of Thrones. There's just too many awesome and interesting characters in X-Men for the movies to do them justice. A TV series would give them time to weave multiple stories together all at once. I know Disney wants to launch an OTT streaming service to rival Netflix and if I were an exec, an X-men series GOT's style would be a staple for it.

What... there are two of you??? Two Wild Turkeys?

Those similar usernames... I never realized you were two separate people before seeing these two consecutive posts. I probably subconsciously assumed you were just changing your avatar and favorite teams a lot. No doubt I've read posts by one of you or the other thinking they were posted by the same person when they were not.

 

[BusSport]

Fox and this movie look like such a shitshow right now:

X-Men: Dark Phoenix was originally scheduled for November 2018. Then, the cast got called back for reshoots, which pushed the movie back to February 14, 2019.

Now, today, just TWO DAYS after the release of the trailer that was so proudly advertising "February 14, 2019," Deadline is reporting that Fox has now rescheduled this movie, delaying it four more months to June 7, 2019, with Alita: Battle Angel taking Dark Phoenix's previous spot.

That is just some dreadful coordination, when you release a trailer advertising a date only to change the date two days later.

It feels like the reshoot disasters of Fant4stic and Justice League all over again, like the studio has no faith in Dark Phoenix so keep pushing it back to try to reshoot/tweak/fix.

 

[calsnowskier]

Fox and this movie look like such a shitshow right now:

X-Men: Dark Phoenix was originally scheduled for November 2018. Then, the cast got called back for reshoots, which pushed the movie back to February 14, 2019.

Now, today, just TWO DAYS after the release of the trailer that was so proudly advertising "February 14, 2019," Deadline is reporting that Fox has now rescheduled this movie, delaying it four more months to June 7, 2019, with Alita: Battle Angel taking Dark Phoenix's previous spot.

That is just some dreadful coordination, when you release a trailer advertising a date only to change the date two days later.

It feels like the reshoot disasters of Fant4stic and Justice League all over again, like the studio has no faith in Dark Phoenix so keep pushing it back to try to reshoot/tweak/fix.

There may also be a lack of motivation. If it truly will be the final X-verse flick, maybe they have a case of senioritis.

 

[Wild Turkey]

Fox and this movie look like such a shitshow right now:

X-Men: Dark Phoenix was originally scheduled for November 2018. Then, the cast got called back for reshoots, which pushed the movie back to February 14, 2019.

Now, today, just TWO DAYS after the release of the trailer that was so proudly advertising "February 14, 2019," Deadline is reporting that Fox has now rescheduled this movie, delaying it four more months to June 7, 2019, with Alita: Battle Angel taking Dark Phoenix's previous spot.

That is just some dreadful coordination, when you release a trailer advertising a date only to change the date two days later.

It feels like the reshoot disasters of Fant4stic and Justice League all over again, like the studio has no faith in Dark Phoenix so keep pushing it back to try to reshoot/tweak/fix.

Translation: This movie sucks and no one can figure out how to fix it. Only a matter of time until actors start distancing themselves and refuse to promote it.

 

[Clayton]

The trailer didn't motivate me to see the movie at all but the nature of the story means that its either going to be really good or really bad with very little room in the middle.

Currently the Phoenix is one of the most poorly written concepts in the Xmen movie universe.

 

[Diamondeye]

I loved the prequel trilogy.

I honestly had no idea there's going to be a fourth film with the McAvoy/Fassbender/Lawrence cast.

I'll give it a shot, with low expectations, given all the issues that Last Stand had

The Phoenix does not seen like an easy character to build a script around.