calsnowskier
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Beat me to it.Nah, USA is owned by NBC, while ABC owns ESPN
Beat me to it.Nah, USA is owned by NBC, while ABC owns ESPN
I did say not to quote me on that. LoL.Nah, USA is owned by NBC, while ABC owns ESPN
One thing I'm gonna add to my case for Bret Hart, when we're talking about match quality and epic matches.
He didn't need to do his finisher to create a great match or great match ending.
Even when he lost classic matches, they were great endings (Owen Hart WM 10, Bulldog at 92 Summer Slam), and some of his wins were great (95 Survivor Series...amazing).
Bret Hart/Owen Hart at WM 10 is one of my favorite matches of all time. Love that match. Bret was a childhood favorite of mine and will always be a favorite. Bret and Warrior were probably my two favorite wrestlers from the 90s. Unfortunately, the charisma he lacked hurt him in terms of being immortalized. Hart had better matches than Hogan in my opinion, but Hogan had the charisma so he was always the favorite.
Bret Hart/Owen Hart at WM 10 is one of my favorite matches of all time. Love that match. Bret was a childhood favorite of mine and will always be a favorite. Bret and Warrior were probably my two favorite wrestlers from the 90s. Unfortunately, the charisma he lacked hurt him in terms of being immortalized. Hart had better matches than Hogan in my opinion, but Hogan had the charisma so he was always the favorite.
Hogan’s heel turn was an absolute stroke of genius. The whole squeaky clean thing that Hogan had lived on for almost 20 years had become stale, but no one could picture the pillar of virtue as anything but the Real American. But smarks still knew who he really was behind the scenes. Playing on his smark rep, and going with the selfish, conniving, full of himself gimmick just made sense. And then, to team him up with the Kliq just pushed it over the top, and placed WCW firmly on the top of the mountain.True, but it's really unfair to compare anyone to Hogan on charisma.
The guy made the heel turn into still being super popular.
Hogan’s heel turn was an absolute stroke of genius. The whole squeaky clean thing that Hogan had lived on for almost 20 years had become stale, but no one could picture the pillar of virtue as anything but the Real American. But smarks still knew who he really was behind the scenes. Playing on his smark rep, and going with the selfish, conniving, full of himself gimmick just made sense. And then, to team him up with the Kliq just pushed it over the top, and placed WCW firmly on the top of the mountain.
No other heel (or face) turn in the history of the industry had the same impact. Nor will one in the future have that level of impact. The investment into Hogan’s face status will never be matched again.
Bret Hart/Owen Hart at WM 10 is one of my favorite matches of all time. Love that match. Bret was a childhood favorite of mine and will always be a favorite. Bret and Warrior were probably my two favorite wrestlers from the 90s. Unfortunately, the charisma he lacked hurt him in terms of being immortalized. Hart had better matches than Hogan in my opinion, but Hogan had the charisma so he was always the favorite.
There was a new “defection” every week on Nitro. It lost its edge after a while. Unless they intended on turning Thunder into NWO Thunder, or something like that, going the extend they did was pointless. They had a great concept and killed it for short-term gains.Yeah, i'd argue the next closest investment was Sting as the white night for WCW.
Also, i heard rumors that if Hogan wouldn't have gone through with it, it woudl've been Sting as the 3rd man, which just wouldn't have worked. Not the same way. Loved it when it was all former WWF guys at first. First big mistake was the Giant. He didn't belong. And then they just got way too big.
The fighting inside the NWO that lead to Wolfpack could've worked, but it lost it's grit.
I think Austin is the clear cut #3. He proved that wrestling could pass the baton to a non-Hogan or non-Flair. He opened the door to a Cena.Hogan made wrestling main stream popular, its asinine to not include him. He built wrestling up to its most popular not once but twice in the 80s when wrestling was pop culture. Than again in the 90s, when he made the most popular faction in wrestling history, by turning heel. Flair is also a no brainer. The Rock will be more famous for his movies than his wrestling career. The other two are arguable.
Yeah, i'd argue the next closest investment was Sting as the white night for WCW.
Also, i heard rumors that if Hogan wouldn't have gone through with it, it woudl've been Sting as the 3rd man, which just wouldn't have worked. Not the same way. Loved it when it was all former WWF guys at first. First big mistake was the Giant. He didn't belong. And then they just got way too big.
The fighting inside the NWO that lead to Wolfpack could've worked, but it lost it's grit.
There was a new “defection” every week on Nitro. It lost its edge after a while. Unless they intended on turning Thunder into NWO Thunder, or something like that, going the extend they did was pointless. They had a great concept and killed it for short-term gains.
Sting, that would of been terrible. The guy couldn't work the mic. I don't know how he had fans.
I think Austin is the clear cut #3. He proved that wrestling could pass the baton to a non-Hogan or non-Flair. He opened the door to a Cena.
Sting was the only WCW guy around at the time. Sure, Giant had spent his entire career in ?WCW, but he was stilll relatively young and wasn’t synonymous with NWA/WCW the way Sting was (or Flair had been). If Sting had taken the Hollywood monicker, they would have had to change the “fight back” side of the angle.Yeah....we can’t be friends lol.
But I agree that the lack of a good mic man would’ve been a problem.
Plus who becomes wcw’s hero? Who goes away for a year? It just wouldn’t have worked.
Was Hart mainstream, though? Sure, smarks loved him, but he had ZERO mic skills and his character was bland af. He was Benoit before Benoit was Benoit.You know I’m gonna argue hart had that on lock down from 94-97 When Vince screwed him.
Sting was the only WCW guy around at the time. Sure, Giant had spent his entire career in ?WCW, but he was stilll relatively young and wasn’t synonymous with NWA/WCW the way Sting was (or Flair had been). If Sting had taken the Hollywood monicker, they would have had to change the “fight back” side of the angle.