Game Thread: Wild Card: Packers @ Redskins

[redskinsfan]

Randall Cobb is a very good player and a threat to any secondary. But they have the reigning NFL MVP at QB. You don't need dez or megaton, Rodgers will eat you alive with high school WRs if given enough time.

Cobb is garbage this year. So too with Adams. There was simply no reason to respect them today.

 

[GNG]

Cobb is garbage this year. So too with Adams. There was simply no reason to respect them today.

Both players have not had a good season but I wouldn't call either guy garbage.

 

[Sportster 72]

I did see those. Did you see how many short throws he actually connected on that wore our defense down? This is basically Joe Barry thinking: hey, let's not blitz because the QB can make big plays against us, all the while knowing that the QB can make other plays that will lead to TDs anyways.

Sorry, I think you are way off base. Even worse you want to fire a coach after one year. We have proven for 20 years that doesn't work. He did what he had to do with an outmanned team. He also went up against one of the best QBs in the league today and that guy has made a lot of defenses look bad.

 

[Sharkinva]

Sorry, I think you are way off base. Even worse you want to fire a coach after one year. We have proven for 20 years that doesn't work. He did what he had to do with an outmanned team. He also went up against one of the best QBs in the league today and that guy has made a lot of defenses look bad.

For the record I dont want to fire Barry (yet). Im hoping SMGM gives him enough talent that even he cant fuck it up but so much.

 

[redskinsfan]

Sorry, I think you are way off base. Even worse you want to fire a coach after one year. We have proven for 20 years that doesn't work. He did what he had to do with an outmanned team. He also went up against one of the best QBs in the league today and that guy has made a lot of defenses look bad.

How am i off base? I've got the perfect answer to your points: look at the result of the game and how well Rodgers passed in his best Danny Wuerfful -- Shane Matthews impersonation. For large portions of the game, he basically checked down to receivers. How is not adjusting to that anything but moronic?

 

[redskinsfan]

Both players have not had a good season but I wouldn't call either guy garbage.

Okay, maybe not garbage. But they sure didn't merit the respect we paid them by not sitting on routes after Mr. Discount Double Check became Captain Checkdown.

 

[redskinsfan]

For the record I dont want to fire Barry (yet). Im hoping SMGM gives him enough talent that even he cant fuck it up but so much.

Instills great hope in you, doesn't it, Shark?

 

[Sharkinva]

Instills great hope in you, doesn't it, Shark?

Lets just say, when we hired the only guy to ever preside over a defense that was a part of an 0-16 season, that set league wide records for failure.... I didnt expect great things.

 

[redskinsfan]

Lets just say, when we hired the only guy to ever preside over a defense that was a part of an 0-16 season, that set league wide records for failure.... I didnt expect great things.

I say we buy a copy of Madden 2016 instead of Barry. Can't be worse. Also just saw that Jason Hatcher is considering retirement.

 

[j_y19]

Cobb is garbage this year. So too with Adams. There was simply no reason to respect them today.

Really? Cobb is garbage? Being covered by a CB that has less experience at the position than most HS CBs?With Aaron Rodgers as his QB? Yeah,go ahead and press him at the line and play him man to man. I'd take that match up as a win for Cobb every time.

 

[Sportster 72]

If you don't understand why he played zone all year including today there is little more I can say. It is fairly basic football but it is the correct move for the talent they had. I don't know if he can coach until he has some good players. You gave yourself good reasons, you haven't explained one thing to me that makes sense and explains why you would fire a one year coach. Have a good night.

 

[redskinsfan]

Really? Cobb is garbage? Being covered by a CB that has less experience at the position than most HS CBs?With Aaron Rodgers as his QB? Yeah,go ahead and press him at the line and play him man to man. I'd take that match up as a win for Cobb every time.

This year, I'd take that matchup for us. Breeland and Blackmon were able to stop OBJ and Reuben Randle, both of whom were far better than Cobb and Adams this year. And we didn't have to press cover him anyways. We could've used a zone to do that.

But, more fundamentally, you're not getting the point: what happened? We basically got run into the ground with the philosophy both you and Barry advocated. Is that what you consider success? At some point, you have to think of something new. Otherwise, it's that classic definition of insanity. And we all saw how that played out today.

 

[j_y19]

And your missing my point. Barry may be a bum. But I'm not going to judge him totally one one game where he had 2 guys starting at positions that they were never supposed to be playing when the season began. We need to get away from knee jerk reactions. This team needs consistency and experience, not wholesale changes every year.

 

[Sharkinva]

I say we buy a copy of Madden 2016 instead of Barry. Can't be worse. Also just saw that Jason Hatcher is considering retirement.

While I love Hatchers mentality, I dont consider it a bad thing if he retires. We need to get younger on the D-line and alot healthier. I wouldnt mind resigning Pot Roast if the deal isnt to outlandish. And I think there will be some solid D-line prospects available where we pick in the draft.

 

[redskinsfan]

And your missing my point. Barry may be a bum. But I'm not going to judge him totally one one game where he had 2 guys starting at positions that they were never supposed to be playing when the season began. We need to get away from knee jerk reactions. This team needs consistency and experience, not wholesale changes every year.

This is hardly a one-game assessment. Barry's MO is to adopt a philosophy (nothing wrong with that if it's a good one) and then stick to it no matter what happens. That's his problem. And this game is simply a manifestation of that larger problem. Gruden had that problem earlier on. He wanted this team to be a physical, run-first team. He stuck with that identity during the first half of the season even when it was clear that it wasn't working. But, to his credit, he finally figured out that he couldn't stick with it anymore and let Kirk loose. Barry hasn't done that. And he's an absolute moron for not doing so.

 

[redskinsfan]

While I love Hatchers mentality, I dont consider it a bad thing if he retires. We need to get younger on the D-line and alot healthier. I wouldnt mind resigning Pot Roast if the deal isnt to outlandish. And I think there will be some solid D-line prospects available where we pick in the draft.

Pot Roast needs to lose a few pot roasts. The guy can't function if an offense is running an outside zone play. He also has trouble with double teams. Sometimes, he looks like he's trying to slow dance with two interior linemen. Which goes back to his weight.

 

[j_y19]

This is hardly a one-game assessment. Barry's MO is to adopt a philosophy (nothing wrong with that if it's a good one) and then stick to it no matter what happens. That's his problem. And this game is simply a manifestation of that larger problem. Gruden had that problem earlier on. He wanted this team to be a physical, run-first team. He stuck with that identity during the first half of the season even when it was clear that it wasn't working. But, to his credit, he finally figured out that he couldn't stick with it anymore and let Kirk loose. Barry hasn't done that. And he's an absolute moron for not doing so.

With all due respect, how the fuck do you know that's his MO? He now has been a DC for a total of 2 years in the NFL and while he was part of a terrible Detroit team, they also had no talent so once again, he had to scheme around a bunch of weaknesses, just like here. I put more stock in what his players say and I've heard many of them say he is a good coach.

 

[redskinsfan]

With all due respect, how the fuck do you know that's his MO? He now has been a DC for a total of 2 years in the NFL and while he was part of a terrible Detroit team, they also had no talent so once again, he had to scheme around a bunch of weaknesses, just like here. I put more stock in what his players say and I've heard many of them say he is a good coach.

His philosophy is pretty well known. You can read the papers and people like John Keim for that. And I don't give a crap what his players say. I look at the results and the logic he employs that yield those results. You'd be a fool to think he's done a good job, especially today, where he simply let Rodgers march down the field on us. Or is that somehow some modicum of success in your view?

 

[skinsdad62]

i think we need to back off knee jerk reactions

 

[j_y19]

His philosophy is pretty well known. You can read the papers and people like John Keim for that. And I don't give a crap what his players say. I look at the results and the logic he employs that yield those results. You'd be a fool to think he's done a good job, especially today, where he simply let Rodgers march down the field on us. Or is that somehow some modicum of success in your view?

Yes, given the massive talent drain he had to work around with all of the injuries and some of the players he had to insert and move around, I would give him a passing grade for this year. let's see. He lost his starting right OLB, both starting ILBs, 2 FSs, his premier CB and multiple other secondary players that played a significant number of snaps. He ended up with a starting ILB that was pulled from the trash heap, a starting ILB that was an undrafted FA that was on the practice squad, a starting CB pulled off the trash heap, a CB that has never played defense before, let alone the CB position, a starting FS that is north of 30 and was moved to the position mid season. And he coached all these piece parts into a team and they did pretty well. That alone deserves respect.