Why not bring back Manny Lawson?

[bigpb72]

HOPE SO BALKE WOULD GET REPPED LOL IF HE MADE THAT MOVE WE SHOULD OGF NEVER LET EM GO IMO

 

[Ray_Dogg]

I'll tell you why not. HE PROVIDES JACK SHIT IN THE RUSHING THE QB PHASE. The guy that is brought in to pair with Haralson on that side needs to be able to bring the heat.

 

[EaseUrStorm]

I'll tell you why not. HE PROVIDES JACK SHIT IN THE RUSHING THE QB PHASE. The guy that is brought in to pair with Haralson on that side needs to be able to bring the heat.

This is true. I like Lawson a lot and he does all the small things, but has trouble getting to the QB.

Would be okay signing him and dedicating him to 1st/2nd down rotation if we can't sign Brooks to a reasonable contract. We'd need to draft a third down PR specialist to press Haralson, but could be okay there for a year.

Also - something that hasn't been mentioned: he may not be the type of player Fangio wants in the scheme. Fangio appears to value OLB's who get after the QB. The scheme is a key consideration in deciding if he comes back.

 

[threelittleturds]

Dude, that'd be insane. Manny, Bowman, Willis and Aldon??? That'd easily be the fastest and best LB corps in the NFL. Maybe they could start a streak of not allowing 50 yards rushing by a RB for a season.

 

[jayviabay]

We don't have any LB that can cover TEs. Even Willis got burned by TEs like Graham and Pettigrew. I think he just does not have the height.

Manny is 6'5" and he still would be our best cover LB if he came back.
I remember games a few years back where he was doing a good job blanketing TEs like Gonzalez. If he had better hands he would have had some picks as well.

What games were you watching? I think the inside backers did a pretty good job in coverage.

The niners dont run the same garbage scheme when lawson was here and you dont want the offense knowing that he is only in to cover! what kind of disguise is that?

 

[maniax]

What games were you watching? I think the inside backers did a pretty good job in coverage.

The niners dont run the same garbage scheme when lawson was here and you dont want the offense knowing that he is only in to cover! what kind of disguise is that?

Willis allowed Pettigrew to catch a TD in the redzone in the Detroit regular season game.

Willis also allowed Graham to catch the long TD over the middle in the NFC championship game.

The coverage was excellent in both of these cases but Willis got beat.

Willis is a really good coverage LB but he can be beat by the best TEs in the game, especially the ones that have a big height advantage on him.

 

[Mozart'sGhost]

Because he can't play.

 

[NinerSickness]

HOPE SO BALKE WOULD GET REPPED LOL IF HE MADE THAT MOVE WE SHOULD OGF NEVER LET EM GO IMO

I don't agree with that; I think it was clearly the right decision to let him go. He proved yet another one of my unpopular opinions (the same unpopular opinion I had about Aubrayo Franklin): he's just not that good. By letting him go his price tag has plummeted.

Now that his price tag is of backup caliber the Niners can bring him back as a backup. He'd be a great backup IMO.

And Ray I wouldn't say he provides "Jack shit" in rushing the passser. He's actually not that bad at it. He's not very good, but he's not an inept pass rusher. He can get into passing lanes & provide a little pressure if the team isn't expecting him; and offenses won't be expecting him the few times he'd rush the passer 'cause he'd usually be dropping into coverage.

I like the idea of 3 years 10 million. Maybe make sure he only makes as much as 6 million in his first 2 years? Depth is one thing the Niners defense needs in the worst way.

Oh and Manny is better than Haralson, who was actually a starter last year.

Because he can't play.

You sure do go for the blanket ad hominem statement a lot. I don't think he's a good starter, but he's a good depth player.

 

[Mozart'sGhost]

I don't agree with that; I think it was clearly the right decision to let him go. He proved yet another one of my unpopular opinions (the same unpopular opinion I had about Aubrayo Franklin): he's just not that good. By letting him go his price tag has plummeted.

Now that his price tag is of backup caliber the Niners can bring him back as a backup. He'd be a great backup IMO.

And Ray I wouldn't say he provides "Jack shit" in rushing the passser. He's actually not that bad at it. He's not very good, but he's not an inept pass rusher. He can get into passing lanes & provide a little pressure if the team isn't expecting him; and offenses won't be expecting him the few times he'd rush the passer 'cause he'd usually be dropping into coverage.

I like the idea of 3 years 10 million. Maybe make sure he only makes as much as 6 million in his first 2 years? Depth is one thing the Niners defense needs in the worst way.

Oh and Manny is better than Haralson, who was actually a starter last year.



You sure do go for the blanket ad hominem statement a lot. I don't think he's a good starter, but he's a good depth player.

There's a reason why both the 49ers and Seahawks didn't want him. But you may benefit from looking up the definition of "ad hominem". There was no attack made on you.

 

[NinerSickness]

There's a reason why both the 49ers and Seahawks didn't want him.

I know. His price tag was too high.

 

[EaseUrStorm]

Manny's under-rated for what he does. He cleans out blockers and does all the little things that make everyone else look better. Great role player to have in the right scheme. It's not like our defense is the Jets or something. The scheme gave very basic looks to play fast, so maybe he'd be a fit.

 

[Mozart'sGhost]

I know. His price tag was too high.

If he could play, the price tag would not be an issue.

 

[NinerSickness]

If he could play, the price tag would not be an issue.

This makes zero sense.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

I don't agree with that; I think it was clearly the right decision to let him go. He proved yet another one of my unpopular opinions (the same unpopular opinion I had about Aubrayo Franklin): he's just not that good. By letting him go his price tag has plummeted.

Now that his price tag is of backup caliber the Niners can bring him back as a backup. He'd be a great backup IMO.

And Ray I wouldn't say he provides "Jack shit" in rushing the passser. He's actually not that bad at it. He's not very good, but he's not an inept pass rusher. He can get into passing lanes & provide a little pressure if the team isn't expecting him; and offenses won't be expecting him the few times he'd rush the passer 'cause he'd usually be dropping into coverage.

I like the idea of 3 years 10 million. Maybe make sure he only makes as much as 6 million in his first 2 years? Depth is one thing the Niners defense needs in the worst way.

Oh and Manny is better than Haralson, who was actually a starter last year.



You sure do go for the blanket ad hominem statement a lot. I don't think he's a good starter, but he's a good depth player.

He is that bad at it. He makes Okeafor look like Ware.

 

[NinerSickness]

He is that bad at it. He makes Okeafor look like Ware.

That's simply not true. Manny just didn't rush the passer very often.

I'm not saying he's a good pass rusher; I'm just saying he's not so bad at it that he can't provide something on the rare occasions he might surprise the offense by blitzing (when he comes in off the bench).

It's extremely important to surprise the other team. That's why the occasional CB blitz is so important; it keeps the offense guessing.

 

[Mozart'sGhost]

This makes zero sense.

Of course it does. That is the reason a guy like Peyton Manning can get 28 million. When you can play, price don't matter.

 

[NinerSickness]

Of course it does. That is the reason a guy like Peyton Manning can get 28 million. When you can play, price don't matter.

That is ridiculous. There's something called a salary cap. Of course price matters. It matters with all players including Peyton. Nobody is going to pay 60 million a year for Peyton despite the fact that he "can play" as you put it. Likewise nobody is going to pay 30 million a season for Calvin Johnson.

Every player has his price. They have perceived value (price) and actual value (production). Would any team have signed Kyle Vanden Bosch for 4 million a year after the 2004? No. Did that mean he couldn't play at all? Of course not. The Titans got a bargain.

Likewise the Niners franchsied Aubrayo Franklin, and he got 7+ million for one season. Was he worth it? No. Does that mean he "can't play" at all? Of course not. He's just not worth 7+ million a season.

 

[Flyingiguana]

Of course it does. That is the reason a guy like Peyton Manning can get 28 million. When you can play, price don't matter.

price always matters

 

[maniax]

Overall Manny is better than Haralson.

Haralson is getting $2.7M this year. I'd rather give that money to Manny.

 

[Ray_Dogg]

That's simply not true. Manny just didn't rush the passer very often.

I'm not saying he's a good pass rusher; I'm just saying he's not so bad at it that he can't provide something on the rare occasions he might surprise the offense by blitzing (when he comes in off the bench).

It's extremely important to surprise the other team. That's why the occasional CB blitz is so important; it keeps the offense guessing.

Sick, when it is third and long and we have 4 down lineman, explain to me how Manny is going to be a surprise and get to the QB?

You are right Manny didn't rush the passer very often because he couldn't! We spent years waiting for him to develop that aspect but it never came. That ship has sailed. Let it be gone. WE NEED A 3RD DOWN PASS RUSHER. I'm so sick of hearing about coverage ability. How many times is the end dropping back in coverage on 3rd down when we are in our 43 package?