Why no rage?

[nebearsfan70]

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[nebearsfan70]

I don't know about you guys, but I have some faith in this GM. He hired Fox, who is a proven winner in the NFL, and so far he seems to making the right moves IMO.

So the Bears don't have B. Marshall? Essentially he wasn't there last season too and the Bears managed 6 wins with a crappy team and an even shittier coach.

 

[anotheridiot]

Why no rage?

Well, as soon as Brandon stopped kissing up for Jay, the entire town turned on him. It was a pity party for a 126 million dollar quarterback.

Mad as hell, mad that the only guy that showed some fire in the locker room was the first one to leave. If showing passion for your job and your team is a bad thing, that must mean the other 52 guys in the room that sit quietly by, have no emotion for their team looking like a junior college team, it worries me what might be left in that room. I dont think Kyle Long will shy away from calling the team out, will he be deemed a trouble maker when he does?

Team meetings to clear the air I guess are not supposed to happen. I really dont think they traded last years Brandon Marshall, they traded the guy Fox heard about in Denver and Miami.

That was the trouble, one attempt to fire up a dead team that didnt seem to care if they lost. Otherwise it was one of the best possession receivers in the game that will rack up 1000 yards again. Also a good blocking receiver.

Who is gonna get the band together this summer in Miami now?

 

[anotheridiot]

I don't know about you guys, but I have some faith in this GM. He hired Fox, who is a proven winner in the NFL, and so far he seems to making the right moves IMO.

So the Bears don't have B. Marshall? Essentially he wasn't there last season too and the Bears managed 6 wins with a crappy team and an even shittier coach.

Pretty sure the 6 wins were with BMarsh in the lineup. Didnt win any without him.

I dont know who chose Fox. Seemed like there were 4 days between him leaving denver and being hired here. I dont think Pace was happy with Fox since he pretty much gave away all control of personnel. He was hired to have full control, I highly doubt its any different than doing the paperwork for the coach now just like New Orleans.

 

[averagejoe]

Joey, when I said those things about Marshall, I wasn't trying to add ammunition to your argument. I'm still on Noon's side.

A guy like Marshall gives opposing defenses someone to plan for. And there are few corners that can guard a "jump-up-and-get-it" guy like him.

As for the locker-room cancer label, it's hard for me to believe that even the biggest team jerk will not play his heart out on Sunday. Maybe we work with those kind of guys. Or were on sports teams with them. Wouldn't want to socialize with them afterwards, but come game time, they were all business.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Ok, I don't want to come across like I "know" this was Marshall's fault. Because I don't know. I don't know who, and I don't know why. But I do know this team quit playing hard four weeks before the season ended. You could see it in their play, half-assed route running, don't give a shit blocking, and such. That doesn't happen to every team that is losing, but it happened to these bears. Maybe it was just the coaching. Maybe cutler. Maybe Marshall. Maybe none of the above. Maybe all of the above. But when teams quit, that the locker room coming out. Yes, it does matter. It affects preparation, it affects trust, it affects play. Free agents and coaches (in some cases) will specifically avoid such teams. I don't really think it's more important than talent or strategy, but chemistry matters.

 

[nebearsfan70]

Pretty sure the 6 wins were with BMarsh in the lineup. Didnt win any without him.

I dont know who chose Fox. Seemed like there were 4 days between him leaving denver and being hired here. I dont think Pace was happy with Fox since he pretty much gave away all control of personnel. He was hired to have full control, I highly doubt its any different than doing the paperwork for the coach now just like New Orleans.

He was in the lineup but since the second week of the season he was a non-issue.

Just saying.

 

[leomaz]

Marshall was hurt...........how could they be?

a healthy BM this year will be better than anyone we can pick up..........sorry,but wr is now another hole to fill.

You mean after fullback?

Pretty sure the 6 wins were with BMarsh in the lineup. Didnt win any without him.

I dont know who chose Fox. Seemed like there were 4 days between him leaving denver and being hired here. I dont think Pace was happy with Fox since he pretty much gave away all control of personnel. He was hired to have full control, I highly doubt its any different than doing the paperwork for the coach now just like New Orleans.

Pace has full control of the roster

 

[anotheridiot]

Joey, when I said those things about Marshall, I wasn't trying to add ammunition to your argument. I'm still on Noon's side.

A guy like Marshall gives opposing defenses someone to plan for. And there are few corners that can guard a "jump-up-and-get-it" guy like him.

As for the locker-room cancer label, it's hard for me to believe that even the biggest team jerk will not play his heart out on Sunday. Maybe we work with those kind of guys. Or were on sports teams with them. Wouldn't want to socialize with them afterwards, but come game time, they were all business.

See, the point I was trying to make with Jay and Marshall was that perfectly coined phrase "jump-and-go-get-it guy". Brandon was tired of that being his job on every pass thrown to him. Sure, tough third down, no choice throws, but its common practice with Jay. I know it will be deemed Bullshit by Leo again, but we dont see those fading back shoulder throws, we see max effort on just about every pass thrown into double and triple coverage. three receivers in the route they all cant be triple covered.

Marshall got beat up mentally and physically.

 

[beardown07]

Saying he was a non-factor last year, when he played through injury the whole season is short-sighted.


Dude is still a beast on Sunday, and there is not even a shred of doubt as to whether he is/was the best WR in Bears history. He was...by a landslide.

I am only for this move, if they now blow the whole fucking thing up. They keep everyone else, and this move will bug.

 

[leomaz]

See, the point I was trying to make with Jay and Marshall was that perfectly coined phrase "jump-and-go-get-it guy". Brandon was tired of that being his job on every pass thrown to him. Sure, tough third down, no choice throws, but its common practice with Jay. I know it will be deemed Bullshit by Leo again, but we dont see those fading back shoulder throws, we see max effort on just about every pass thrown into double and triple coverage. three receivers in the route they all cant be triple covered.

Marshall got beat up mentally and physically.

If it were true it would be different. You seem to think no quarterback besides Jay ever throws ball that aren't perfect but it's simply a fantasy view from you and your hatred for Jay. I've seen every qb throw high to their recievers multiple time on multiple occasions, because frankly it's what the top reciever is supposed to do. Jay has hit recievers in stride so another false claim from you to try make up. Jay is a top 15 qb and you can't get over that, well get over it

 

[wood20ks]

If it were true it would be different. You seem to think no quarterback besides Jay ever throws ball that aren't perfect but it's simply a fantasy view from you and your hatred for Jay. I've seen every qb throw high to their recievers multiple time on multiple occasions, because frankly it's what the top reciever is supposed to do. Jay has hit recievers in stride so another false claim from you to try make up. Jay is a top 15 qb and you can't get over that, well get over it

Then he should get paid like a 15th rated qb.
and unless you have a defense in place a 15th rated qb gets you no where.

So we may as move on with him and get another qb that will cost less with the same results.

mark sanchez comes to my mind...........But don`t take this as a gospel answer to our woes from me.cause frankly,I think we have no other choice but to keep him.

And I also hope I`m wrong.

 

[leomaz]

Then he should get paid like a 15th rated qb.
and unless you have a defense in place a 15th rated qb gets you no where.

So we may as move on with him and get another qb that will cost less with the same results.

mark sanchez comes to my mind...........But don`t take this as a gospel answer to our woes from me.cause frankly,I think we have no other choice but to keep him.

And I also hope I`m wrong.

The contract he signed has nothing to do with him or us. He was given that contract to sign and like anyone on this board signed it. He he is a better qb than Sanchez.Josh McCown got 6 million for 1 victory....... If the Bears had the number 1 defense in the league last season, I'm sure it would have been a better season

 

[anotheridiot]

If it were true it would be different. You seem to think no quarterback besides Jay ever throws ball that aren't perfect but it's simply a fantasy view from you and your hatred for Jay. I've seen every qb throw high to their recievers multiple time on multiple occasions, because frankly it's what the top reciever is supposed to do. Jay has hit recievers in stride so another false claim from you to try make up. Jay is a top 15 qb and you can't get over that, well get over it

Well at least you arent calling him top 5. Other quarterbacks make that throw when it is needed, its not every pass.

I have a pretty good memory, really cant remember seeing that perfect pass hitting the receiver in stride. Even the dumps to forte, he turns and waits for the ball. That is my best recollection of seeing receivers cutler has, stop and catch the ball.

 

[leomaz]

The minds eye sees what it wants to see.

 

[NCChiFan]

Couple thoughts on BM and being gone. Thought one, Fox may have had his fill with locker room issue Wr, since he had to deal with jaw breaker Smith in Carolina. Second, Brandon had a real hard time staying healthy last season and it will not get easier for him. Third, the Bears may be taking a close look at one of the two Wr's in this years draft at the top of the board. Chances are one of them, Cooper or Wright (? I think that's his name) will be there at #7, both are highly rated and Pace has said BPA in the draft. Forth, which might also explain the Bears pick up in F/A of OLB-DE from the Ravens.

I do believe, since the Bears really needed to find a #3 wr prior to loosing BM, that the move in the draft may end up Wr.

 

[wood20ks]

We freed up 7.7 towards the cap this year, I believe. Pretty good.

We don't have to replace anything. You watch the super bowl the past few years? How many elite WR's on either sideline? One in 2013 with Demaryius Thomas? There are MANY worse receiving groups than Alshon, Marquess, Martellus, Forte and potentially a guy like Hartline.

You don't need all-universe receivers to win in this league.

And have you seen there qbs too?

Yeah we really got that going for us...........With out marshall,how well do you think Jay will do?

He didn`t squat with him here.now we wanna ask him to do more with out him?

That's just crazy.

 

[wood20ks]

Couple thoughts on BM and being gone. Thought one, Fox may have had his fill with locker room issue Wr, since he had to deal with jaw breaker Smith in Carolina. Second, Brandon had a real hard time staying healthy last season and it will not get easier for him. Third, the Bears may be taking a close look at one of the two Wr's in this years draft at the top of the board. Chances are one of them, Cooper or Wright (? I think that's his name) will be there at #7, both are highly rated and Pace has said BPA in the draft. Forth, which might also explain the Bears pick up in F/A of OLB-DE from the Ravens.

I do believe, since the Bears really needed to find a #3 wr prior to loosing BM, that the move in the draft may end up Wr.

Its kevin white.

Getting rid of Marshall did nothing but have to fill another void when we have huge pressing needs on the defense.
Damn we could have used a d-lineman,d-end or a l-backer with that no.1 pick.

I`m not sure should be going down that path,cause I am just totally confused what we are gonna be doing............Hopefully opening day of free agency clears up our defensive woes.
It sure won`t be a wr...........The top ones are gone.
So maybe you are right,we are going younger at wr.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

this year's WR class is considered very, very deep. Can always draft a guy in the later rounds. Just take BPA baby.

 

[wood20ks]

this year's WR class is considered very, very deep. Can always draft a guy in the later rounds. Just take BPA baby.

well when you have the 7th pick,there are a lot of bpa`s.......which one to take?