Why isn't Von Miller signed yet?

[cdumler7]

I don't see how Cox got 63 Miller would take anything less then 65. I hope the 60 will end up working but, its hard to see Miller's camp settling at 60.. It isn't helping with the huge NBA contracts that have happened in FA .either. I'm expecting 70 mil guaranteed to get Miller signed.

The issue though is those are not the real numbers of Fletcher Cox's deal. WE will assume he will be on the Eagles after this upcoming season as the Dead Money hit would be astronomical. To cut him after this year there would be a $29.8 million dead money hit. So not going to happen. So that means the 2nd year guaranteed money kicks in which is $55.5 million. To me that is the fully guaranteed part of his contract. Now if he is still on the Eagles after year 2 then the guarantees become $63.3 million. That 3rd year isn't quite as promised. Still a huge dead money hit so probably 98% sure he gets the $63.3 million. See to me the Broncos need to look at this contract and design Von Miller's in a similar fashion. They don't have to pay all the guaranteed money day 1 but Von gets his security of huge guaranteed money.

 

[SpiritOf77]

I don't see how Cox got 63 Miller would take anything less then 65. I hope the 60 will end up working but, its hard to see Miller's camp settling at 60.. It isn't helping with the huge NBA contracts that have happened in FA .either. I'm expecting 70 mil guaranteed to get Miller signed.

What if the Broncos throw in an all-expense paid weekend at Sleepaway Camp ??

 

[cdumler7]

What if the Broncos throw in an all-expense paid weekend at Sleepaway Camp ??

Man why aren't you the one negotiating these deals? They would be done in an hour with great ideas like this.

 

[CEH]

What if the Broncos throw in an all-expense paid weekend at Sleepaway Camp ??

"One time .. at band camp."

The old Von would want hookers and blow in Vegas.

 

[CEH]

Normally you let your agent negotiate and stay out of it. Not sure why Von called Joe Ellis but that is the rumor. Elway and Miller must have so sort of major disgruntlement. Elway may have tried to call Von this weekend to help sooth the ill feelings.

Also 12 players have the 3rd year guaranteed tied into the 2nd year so that is probably not the reason and is pretty easy to help solve the guaranteed money.

Just feels like something bad is going on at hte moment,

 

[Mingo]

Final Word On Proposed Contract For Von Miller | Thin Air

Very interesting take on the salary cap and guarantees for a Miller contract. Recommended read.

 

[nflbronco]

What if the Broncos throw in an all-expense paid weekend at Sleepaway Camp ??

Ding Ding we have a winner or should it be dong

 

[CEH]

3 examples why Denver / all teams wants the 3rd year 5th day option
Justin Houston
Dez Bryant
Demarias Thomas

If Houston never regains his form Chiefs likely to walk away
If dez has another injury plaqued year in 2016 2 years in a row maybe they do something in 2017
Same with DT if he has another sub par year in terms of drops and TDs
TDs and big plays is what he is getting paid to do, Denver could walk
Away in year 3
It's really about putting 2 sub par years back to back that make that 3rd year attractive to the team in terms of making a decision on the quality of play

 

[CEH]

Just in

The Denver Broncos have scheduled a phone discussion Friday with pass rusher Von Miller and agent Joby Branion, league sources told ESPN's Ed Werder.

It is believed the Broncos recently modified their offer to Miller to earlier fully guarantee the third year of their proposed six-year, $114.5 million contract. The matter of how much, and how quickly, Miller would be paid guaranteed money in a new deal has been a sticking point between the sides.

The deadline is July 15 for franchise-tagged players to sign multi-year contracts.

Earlier this week, sources told ESPN's Adam Schefter that Broncos general manager John Elway had personally called Miller over the Fourth of July weekend to express his desire to work out a long-term deal, after almost a full month without dialogue between the sides.

Sources said Elway and Miller spent about 10-15 minutes on the phone during that call, with Elway telling Miller that the Broncos still love him and still want to re-sign him. Elway told Miller during that conversation that Denver would reach out to his agents this week in an effort to jumpstart talks.

Just last month, Miller publicly stated he would not play this season under the franchise tag, and all contact between the sides had ceased. Some around the league thought there were hard feelings between the two sides, which could be why Elway personally reached out to Miller.

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The franchise QB is the #1 ranked player on a team. The person that can directly disrupt the franchise QB is the #2 ranked player on the team. The person who protects the franchise QB is #3 on the list. The skilled player that can generate the largest chunk yards is #4 on the team and the person who can shut down the chunk offensive player is #5 on the list.

That is the current NFL. Pretty simple to prioritize when you have a #1-#5 players.

 

[CEH]

Here's my prediction, Von will be signed by Monday or Denver will open trade talks from July 11-July15.
Von will not play on the franchise tag nor sit out this year.

Incredible this year , Broncos miscalculated the value of Brock, CJ Anderson and now Von.

 

[Mingo]

Here's my prediction, Von will be signed by Monday or Denver will open trade talks from July 11-July15.
Von will not play on the franchise tag nor sit out this year.

Incredible this year , Broncos miscalculated the value of Brock, CJ Anderson and now Von.

Miller is going to sign the deal

I disagree (bowing every so slightly to the reigning POTM) - the Broncos got the exact value of CJ Anderson - as a matching offer - so they neither over paid nor underpaid. The not tendering a high draft pick turned out well.

All any of us have our theories on Brock Osweiler. My theory is that the Broncos knew from Brock's 3rd season that he was going to leave in Free Agency. That was the logical time for the Broncos to tie up Brock for the long term, but they weren't completely sold on him - then. In this theory - the Broncos just bid up the offers knowing Brock was going to leave anyway - it wasn't about money it was about following PFM and being compared to him. The Broncos never really showed a lot of faith in Brock's ability at QB.

As for Von Miller - the Broncos have found Miller's bottom line and appear - by reports - to have hit that bottom line by offering three years guaranteed up front - as Miller has requested. Whatever - minor differences remain will be Miller's problem to figure out because this offer makes him the bad guy if he doesn't agree to it.

I think the Bronco calculated these three contracts very precisely - at got bottom of the market pricing for each player, or in Brock's case - stuck someone else with a bad contract.

 

[WalkerBoh]

Here's my prediction, Von will be signed by Monday or Denver will open trade talks from July 11-July15.
Von will not play on the franchise tag nor sit out this year.

Incredible this year , Broncos miscalculated the value of Brock, CJ Anderson and now Von.

I don't see how they miscalculated anything personally. I think the Chargers game and its aftermath showed the Broncos Oz was not the QB they were hoping for. Meanwhile Houston seriously overpaid to land him. I have a feeling they will regret that contract. CJ was a matching offer. And you can't make any possible conclusion about Von Miller before his contract is signed. I mean, you're already kicking Miller to the curb, and the deadline is still a week away.

It's really just a game of Chicken they are playing. I doubt Miller is really sincere about not playing under the tag. Sitting out a year doing nothing will really drop his value. He won't get near the contract he's looking for now. Denver would be spending a lot of money on a player who doesn't play if they kept him on the tag, not something they want to do either. So we are left to see which side flinches first.

 

[CEH]

I don't see how they miscalculated anything personally. I think the Chargers game and its aftermath showed the Broncos Oz was not the QB they were hoping for. Meanwhile Houston seriously overpaid to land him. I have a feeling they will regret that contract. CJ was a matching offer. And you can't make any possible conclusion about Von Miller before his contract is signed. I mean, you're already kicking Miller to the curb, and the deadline is still a week away.

It's really just a game of Chicken they are playing. I doubt Miller is really sincere about not playing under the tag. Sitting out a year doing nothing will really drop his value. He won't get near the contract he's looking for now. Denver would be spending a lot of money on a player who doesn't play if they kept him on the tag, not something they want to do either. So we are left to see which side flinches first.

Again the premise of the thread for me was why is Elway playing a game of chicken in the first place with a player as rare as Miller?

I would have signed Miller right after the Super Bowl , franchised Brock for one year rental and tendered a 2nd round on CJ and save $5MM.

I still can't buy that Elway offered up $64MM knowing Brock would not sign with Denver so I conclude the opposite that $64MM says Denver wanted Brock to play QB for Denver.

 

[WalkerBoh]

Again the premise of the thread for me was why is Elway playing a game of chicken in the first place with a player as rare as Miller?

I would have signed Miller right after the Super Bowl , franchised Brock for one year rental and tendered a 2nd round on CJ and save $5MM.

I still can't buy that Elway offered up $64MM knowing Brock would not sign with Denver so I conclude the opposite that $64MM says Denver wanted Brock to play QB for Denver.

Doing all that also hamstrings your salary cap. That's basically what the Dolphins and other fringe teams do. Most teams who stay successful over long periods don't overpay for anyone. As for your CJ strategy, you don't know that things play any differently than they did. You're just throwing out wild speculation. Denver is doing pretty darn well with Elway. 5 straight AFC West titles, Two Lamar Hunt trophies and one Golden Lombardi shows me they know exactly what they are doing.

 

[SpiritOf77]

.. you four eyed motherfucker, you think you are a celebrity ?? ... you think you can dance ?? ... You cut me out of the picture, well let me tell you something Julius Thomas, I am this team .. JOHN ELWAY IS THE DENVER BRONCOS ..

See you in 2018 ... hanging from a helicoptor

 

[Mingo]

Broncos make second proposal in 24 hours to Von Miller

It certainly looks like (from the Bronco brainwash room) the Broncos have made a couple of serious offers to Von Miller in the last 24 hours. This deal gets done, because it is Bronco leverage to have Miller signed when they negotiate the new Stadium sponsorship - stadium sponsorship money is exempted from the Bargaining Agreement so that's money the goes directly to the team.

BTW - as I have predicted this will be Von Miller's team for the next three years. Von Miller - not a Bronco QB - will be driving national attention to the Broncos - If Lynch arrives earlier than three years as a starter - that's a bonus.

 

[cdumler7]

Again the premise of the thread for me was why is Elway playing a game of chicken in the first place with a player as rare as Miller?

I would have signed Miller right after the Super Bowl , franchised Brock for one year rental and tendered a 2nd round on CJ and save $5MM.

I still can't buy that Elway offered up $64MM knowing Brock would not sign with Denver so I conclude the opposite that $64MM says Denver wanted Brock to play QB for Denver.

I just don't see how you get all this done with the salary cap unless you completely destroy future years. I mean you are talking about Von having to take a first year maybe $5 million cap hit just to make all those other signings work. So that means $22-24 million cap hits the rest of the contract. The Broncos don't want that and have never set up contracts that way.

Throw in Brock barely showed enough to get a 2-year/$19 million contract let alone the FT price of $19 million for one year.

Also not sure where you are getting the $5 million in saving on CJ. Actually the contract we signed him to lowered his first year hit compared to a 2nd round tender that so many say the Broncos should have signed him to. If you are talking then the extra years and the cost of signing him well you also then have to factor in the price of somebody to replace him after this next season. Not saying they can't do that at the RB position but we needed some veteran presence and CJ was showing by the end of the year that he was a pretty darn good RB. In fact after week 8 of the last 2 years he has proven to be a top-3 RB in the NFL. He finally showed up in shape so good chance we see an even better CJ this year.

 

[cdumler7]

It's looking more and more like this deal gets done. Von Miller's camp has been mulling the deal since last night. So the fact that they have not come back and said no means 2 things...

1) This deal is very close to what they are willing to accept. The others have been a very quick NO by the Von Miller camp. So at least shows the Broncos have really bridged that gap between what Von wants and what the team is willing to give to him.

2) Most likely the deal the Broncos put on the table is not the one Von signs but my guess is they are looking at a couple of things they wouldn't mind to see tweaked in the contract. Happens with these giant contracts as those little details can mean the difference in millions of dollars.

My guess right now is that Von is a Bronco for the next at least 5-years starting on Tuesday. Probably exchange one more deal on Monday and do the official signing on Tuesday.

 

[CEH]

I just don't see how you get all this done with the salary cap unless you completely destroy future years. I mean you are talking about Von having to take a first year maybe $5 million cap hit just to make all those other signings work. So that means $22-24 million cap hits the rest of the contract. The Broncos don't want that and have never set up contracts that way.

Throw in Brock barely showed enough to get a 2-year/$19 million contract let alone the FT price of $19 million for one year.

Also not sure where you are getting the $5 million in saving on CJ. Actually the contract we signed him to lowered his first year hit compared to a 2nd round tender that so many say the Broncos should have signed him to. If you are talking then the extra years and the cost of signing him well you also then have to factor in the price of somebody to replace him after this next season. Not saying they can't do that at the RB position but we needed some veteran presence and CJ was showing by the end of the year that he was a pretty darn good RB. In fact after week 8 of the last 2 years he has proven to be a top-3 RB in the NFL. He finally showed up in shape so good chance we see an even better CJ this year.

CJ's contract ** is so small in terms of the other two it's like finding loose change in the sofa. Maybe CJ is in MIA . I could easily see Denver swapping out CJ for Colquitt and his $4MM cap hit. Just one example.

So I have a question regarding the events that transpired regarding Brock and Von.

Denver must have had a plan in place for Von had Brock accepted the contract offer* on March 9th 2016 for 4 years, $64MM with $32 MM guaranteed

What was that plan for Von?


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* Let's leave out the black helicopters for the moment that Elway never intended to sign Brock.

** CJ signed 4 year with $7.6 MM guaranteed. His 2nd round tender was $2.3 for one year. So the first year Denver has allocated $7.6 MM cash vs $2.3 MM cash (saving $5MM in cash in 2016) and his cap hit is $6MM according to spottrac.

 

[Mingo]

CJ's contract ** is so small in terms of the other two it's like finding loose change in the sofa. Maybe CJ is in MIA . I could easily see Denver swapping out CJ for Colquitt and his $4MM cap hit. Just one example.

So I have a question regarding the events that transpired regarding Brock and Von.

Denver must have had a plan in place for Von had Brock accepted the contract offer* on March 9th 2016 for 4 years, $64MM with $32 MM guaranteed

What was that plan for Von?


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* Let's leave out the black helicopters for the moment that Elway never intended to sign Brock.

** CJ signed 4 year with $7.6 MM guaranteed. His 2nd round tender was $2.3 for one year. So the first year Denver has allocated $7.6 MM cash vs $2.3 MM cash (saving $5MM in cash in 2016) and his cap hit is $6MM according to spottrac.

That's another reason for my theory - they knew Brock wasn't going to take their offer.