Why isn't Von Miller signed yet?

[SpringStein]

That's another reason for my theory - they knew Brock wasn't going to take their offer.

How come your theories are always pro Broncos?!

 

[CEH]

Elway flinched first in the so called game of chicken.
The first 9 months of the contract if signed this week is $57MM exceeds Cox and close to Suh who was guaranteed $59MM at signing .

 

[SpiritOf77]

Man why aren't you the one negotiating these deals? They would be done in an hour with great ideas like this.

It's an old KFFL joke

No need for sarcasm

 

[Mingo]

How come your theories are always pro Broncos?!

I have theories - you can categorize and describe them.

 

[CEH]

That's another reason for my theory - they knew Brock wasn't going to take their offer.

My theory is Doug Peterson is a mole for Andy Reid and Andy told Peterson to screw Denver with the Sam Bradford contract (affected Brock) and the Fletcher Cox (affected Von) contract.

 

[BigKen]

Elway is used to having things go pretty much his way. This Von Miller thing is not. Elway is doing everything in his power not to appear as if he's the one giving in. It's a combination of ego, cap space, future contracts and control. The one thing that never seems to surface in these kind of talks is common sense.

Elway, as a former player has to know that Miller is only protecting his own ass. Professional football contracts are not guaranteed and the life span of a pro football player is very short. One game, one bad hit and it's over. Miller is at the apex of his career and he has one opportunity to cash in. Common sense is screaming at him to tell Elway to go fry his ass if he doesn't give Von everything he wants.

This isn't the time to give any kind of discount, it's time to grab the gold ring and not let go.......Franchise me and I'll be watching games on TV and not putting my ass out there and taking the chance of losing my one big payday...............see ya.

 

[cdumler7]

It's an old KFFL joke

No need for sarcasm

Sorry I meant it as a joke. I thought your comment was funny and was responding in the same way.

 

[cdumler7]

CJ's contract ** is so small in terms of the other two it's like finding loose change in the sofa. Maybe CJ is in MIA . I could easily see Denver swapping out CJ for Colquitt and his $4MM cap hit. Just one example.

So I have a question regarding the events that transpired regarding Brock and Von.

Denver must have had a plan in place for Von had Brock accepted the contract offer* on March 9th 2016 for 4 years, $64MM with $32 MM guaranteed

What was that plan for Von?


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* Let's leave out the black helicopters for the moment that Elway never intended to sign Brock.

** CJ signed 4 year with $7.6 MM guaranteed. His 2nd round tender was $2.3 for one year. So the first year Denver has allocated $7.6 MM cash vs $2.3 MM cash (saving $5MM in cash in 2016) and his cap hit is $6MM according to spottrac.

I think Elway had plans to sign Osweiler when the deal was closer to $12 million a year. That is very low-end starter money in this league and Elway wanted to see what Osweiler had before giving him the giant contract. To me the $16 million at the end was with knowing Osweiler was not planning on staying with the team. It was pretty obvious when he cut off communication from everybody in the building including teammates that he wanted out of Denver so at that point yes makes sense to at least drive up the cost for another team.

 

[cdumler7]

Elway is used to having things go pretty much his way. This Von Miller thing is not. Elway is doing everything in his power not to appear as if he's the one giving in. It's a combination of ego, cap space, future contracts and control. The one thing that never seems to surface in these kind of talks is common sense.

Elway, as a former player has to know that Miller is only protecting his own ass. Professional football contracts are not guaranteed and the life span of a pro football player is very short. One game, one bad hit and it's over. Miller is at the apex of his career and he has one opportunity to cash in. Common sense is screaming at him to tell Elway to go fry his ass if he doesn't give Von everything he wants.

This isn't the time to give any kind of discount, it's time to grab the gold ring and not let go.......Franchise me and I'll be watching games on TV and not putting my ass out there and taking the chance of losing my one big payday...............see ya.

The last player to actually hold out for an entire season was back in I think 1998 that was franchise tagged. Players don't sit out very often because the loss of at least for Von of $14 million plus a year in the prime of his career is huge to lose. Hard for any player to sit out when that is on the table. Plus then a year out of work teams will question some of the shape he might be in next year or how much they want to commit to him plus knowing the Broncos probably FT him again and knowing they have to give up decent draft capital to get him. So while yes Von has that threat of sitting out a year I doubt he would do it.
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Looks like both sides are working overtime to get a deal done though so I doubt we even see if Von Miller is a man of his word.

 

[CEH]

Elway is used to having things go pretty much his way. This Von Miller thing is not. Elway is doing everything in his power not to appear as if he's the one giving in. It's a combination of ego, cap space, future contracts and control. The one thing that never seems to surface in these kind of talks is common sense.

Elway, as a former player has to know that Miller is only protecting his own ass. Professional football contracts are not guaranteed and the life span of a pro football player is very short. One game, one bad hit and it's over. Miller is at the apex of his career and he has one opportunity to cash in. Common sense is screaming at him to tell Elway to go fry his ass if he doesn't give Von everything he wants.

This isn't the time to give any kind of discount, it's time to grab the gold ring and not let go.......Franchise me and I'll be watching games on TV and not putting my ass out there and taking the chance of losing my one big payday...............see ya.

I kinda find it funny that Denver started at $38MM now $61MM and if I'm correct Cox is at $63MM. Why $61MM? Seems odd.

The perception to me is Denver is reactionary to all these contracts this offseason.

 

[cdumler7]

I kinda find it funny that Denver started at $38MM now $61MM and if I'm correct Cox is at $63MM. Why $61MM? Seems odd.

The perception to me is Denver is reactionary to all these contracts this offseason.

To me that perception though is ignoring all the transactions the Broncos have made.

1) Signed Brandon Marshall to a long-term deal that had nothing to do with any other deal out there. Didn't have to do this as he was on the RFA Tender but saw the price was right so went ahead and signed him.

2) Wolfe--Obviously getting him locked up long-term before the end of the season was a great move considering the deals that some of these players got this off season.

3) Okung--They got him for a very team friendly deal that if he has a great year works out for both sides.

4) Donald Stephenson--From what I have heard quite a few teams were after him when FA started. He chose the Broncos and the deal really isn't all that big.

5) Jared Crick--Again another player having multiple offers yet chose the Broncos deal.

Those are just some of the moves the Broncos have made where it wasn't reactionary but they got aggressive and competed with other teams and won getting the player signed.

 

[CEH]

To me that perception though is ignoring all the transactions the Broncos have made.

1) Signed Brandon Marshall to a long-term deal that had nothing to do with any other deal out there. Didn't have to do this as he was on the RFA Tender but saw the price was right so went ahead and signed him.

2) Wolfe--Obviously getting him locked up long-term before the end of the season was a great move considering the deals that some of these players got this off season.

3) Okung--They got him for a very team friendly deal that if he has a great year works out for both sides.

4) Donald Stephenson--From what I have heard quite a few teams were after him when FA started. He chose the Broncos and the deal really isn't all that big.

5) Jared Crick--Again another player having multiple offers yet chose the Broncos deal.

Those are just some of the moves the Broncos have made where it wasn't reactionary but they got aggressive and competed with other teams and won getting the player signed.

Sorry I'm talking specially about Brock and Von and the end market value for both.

 

[cdumler7]

Sorry I'm talking specially about Brock and Von and the end market value for both.

I guess we can agree to disagree on those

Brock--We have heard quite a few rumors that when Brock was benched he wanted out of Denver no matter what. So you can say they took too long and misdiagnosed how much he was worth but in the end if he wanted out no matter what the Broncos offered then I can't see how they miscalculated unless you are saying that benching Brock was a short sighted move by the Broncos that cost them him re-signing.

Von--Most Franchise Tag players this is exactly how things play out. Both sides dig in clear up to the Franchise Tag deadline. Heck I don't see anybody saying that the Chiefs have misplayed Berry's contract right now. And if Von signs the Contract that is out there of around $61 million in guarantees then isn't that signing him for just about what everybody thought he would sign for? I mean most figured his deal would be right in line with Suh's. So I don't see how the Broncos have misplayed that if indeed the deal ends up exactly where everybody said it would end up in the beginning. Now you can say he missed valuable time with the team by the Broncos slow playing the contract and maybe they ticked off Von Miller a bit by how things have been handled but to me this is exactly how I saw the entire situation playing out.

 

[Mingo]

If he signs - everything will be forgotten about how we got to the contract.

 

[cdumler7]

If he signs - everything will be forgotten about how we got to the contract.

Exactly...Money in these situations seems to have the ability to heal the relationship very quickly. I'm sure in his press conference he will say something along the lines of "I just want to thank John Elway and Mr. Bowlen for believing in me and wanting me to be a Bronco for a long time as this is where I want to be for the rest of my career."

And like I said did anybody really think the Von Miller contract situation would be done earlier than what we are seeing right now? Seems like most Franchise Tag situations go clear up to the wire. Every team does this not just the Broncos. Heck I would say our team is the only one actually known to be negotiating with the player right now. Berry of the Chiefs just commented not long ago about how he can't believe how slow negotiations are going and that he hasn't heard from them in a while. Wilkerson won't get a deal done. Some are starting to think Tucker for the Ravens won't get a deal done. Kirk Cousins won't get a deal done. Trumaine Johnson won't get one done. Alshon Jeffrey has his demands pretty high that the Bears don't look like they will get something done. At least the Broncos are putting together a pretty darn good offer and showing Von they want him here.

 

[SpiritOf77]

Sorry I meant it as a joke. I thought your comment was funny and was responding in the same way.

good deal CD

The joke started between NFLBronco and I a long time ago about a really bad ( good ) 80s horror film

 

[cdumler7]

good deal CD

The joke started between NFLBronco and I a long time ago about a really bad ( good ) 80s horror film

I thought it was about that old movie series. Oh man got to love some of those old classic horror films. I've seen lists on youtube in the past geared towards that movie being one of those worst/best horror films all in one and ended up watching the trailer to see what it was about.

 

[Broncosr0k]

Sorry I'm talking specially about Brock and Von and the end market value for both.

They play in the two most coveted position, Qb and Pass rush. We have seen QBs with little talent get paid which gave Brock a lot of leverage. Von Miller is a rare talent. Both had the opportunity to force things a little more for the broncos than most players and positions.

With Brock, I agree with CD. I don't think the broncos ever intended for their second offer to mean much. I don't think he impressed Elway and the coaches as much as he should have and the rumor that he wanted out at the end of the year sounds like it is more based in reality.

With Von, I think Elway may have tried low-balling a little but has gotten more serious recently. Similar issue to DT last year. If you are a player worthy of a franchise tag you are already like top 5 in your category and have the ego to want to get paid a little more than the last guy.

 

[cdumler7]

Anybody else finding the silence of any kind of news on the contract today a little weird? Von Miller's camp said they wanted to sleep on the newest deal over the weekend so figured this morning we would be hearing whether they said yay or nay from at least one reporter. So far not a single reporter has reported anything from what I can tell. Not often we have such radio silence on these things.

 

[CEH]

Anybody else finding the silence of any kind of news on the contract today a little weird? Von Miller's camp said they wanted to sleep on the newest deal over the weekend so figured this morning we would be hearing whether they said yay or nay from at least one reporter. So far not a single reporter has reported anything from what I can tell. Not often we have such radio silence on these things.

Good news to me . Maybe now the lawyers are involved with the actual contract. Everyone now waiting for Von to sign to make it official. Tuesday is 58 days till the first game