Why didn't we hire Wade Phillips again?

[duke1861]

Barry is ok and I know Denver has a lot more talent, but Phillips is a great defensive coach and always has been. I still don't understand why we passed on him.

 

[j_y19]

Von Miller makes any DC look like a genius. But you question is valid, why did we pass on him? He has to be a better coach than joe berry at this point in time. My guess is personality issues.

 

[duke1861]

It was my understanding that we could have had him if we wanted. I know Fangio turned us down but Phillips wanted to be here. Gruden made a mistake there.

Again, we don't have the talent that Denver does but Phillips calls an excellent defense and knows how to scheme.

 

[ehb5]

Yea we messed that one up.

 

[gkekoa]

I wanted him...no doubt...just like I would take Norv as an OC.

 

[Sportster 72]

Yep he was my choice for DC. Clearly we did not have Denver's talent but he is the best DC out there. A lot of people were saying he was too old. Probably not. There was little support for him on this forum when they were choosing a DC here.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I have been asking this question all year. It is kind of funny when the fans were right all along. It happens a lot, Maryland fans HATED the Randy Edsall hire immdiately and most of us wanted Wade Philips. I know I did.

 

[deanpet21]

I also wanted Wade but Gruden and SM wanted the more younger and energetic guy over experience. Bad move. Wade's son is on our staff as the TE coach. Wade could of retired here.

 

[skinsdad62]

spilled milk

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Forget about Phillips. How about the career Ware has had since leaving the Cowboys. LOL

 

[Sharkinva]

Easy answer is, when you are considered to be on shaky ground as far as your job is concerned, you dont hire a guy that could be put in as an interim head coach should an owner known for temper tantrums get a wild hair up his ass.

Joe Barry was as much a strategic hire by Gruden as any thing.

1. The bar was extremely low because most of the fan base was of the opinion that anything would be better than Haslett.

2. Barry didnt have the resume to get into a pissing contest with the head coach should things go side ways.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Easy answer is, when you are considered to be on shaky ground as far as your job is concerned, you dont hire a guy that could be put in as an interim head coach should an owner known for temper tantrums get a wild hair up his ass.

Joe Barry was as much a strategic hire by Gruden as any thing.

1. The bar was extremely low because most of the fan base was of the opinion that anything would be better than Haslett.

2. Barry didnt have the resume to get into a pissing contest with the head coach should things go side ways.

Fair enough. In no way should Redskins fans be complaining at this time. The team just came off a playoff appearance & a season far better than most expected. Whatever problems the team had on defense are primarily based on talent not coaching. That will be addressed over the next few offseasons.

 

[ehb5]

Easy answer is, when you are considered to be on shaky ground as far as your job is concerned, you dont hire a guy that could be put in as an interim head coach should an owner known for temper tantrums get a wild hair up his ass.

Joe Barry was as much a strategic hire by Gruden as any thing.

1. The bar was extremely low because most of the fan base was of the opinion that anything would be better than Haslett.

2. Barry didnt have the resume to get into a pissing contest with the head coach should things go side ways.

I still disagree with it. Hire the best guy.

 

[deanpet21]

Good point Shark but that is where your GM steps in. By your reasoning Gruden is not doing what is best for the team only what is best for himself. Im not sure if SM had any say in this hire or was it all on Gruden? Im shocked Danny had no say. IF I was running the team I would say to myself who is the better coach? That answer is Phillips.

 

[Sharkinva]

Good point Shark but that is where your GM steps in. By your reasoning Gruden is not doing what is best for the team only what is best for himself. Im not sure if SM had any say in this hire or was it all on Gruden? Im shocked Danny had no say. IF I was running the team I would say to myself who is the better coach? That answer is Phillips.

It was all Gruden according to reports. And I disagree in it being a bad move on his part. As a hiring manager, some times you cant let the idea of bringing in superior talent overshadow the over all team goal. In this case, Gruden was smart not to bring in a guy who by his presence could have divided the team. Is Wade a better DC than Joe Barry?? Yes hands down. But would bringing him in have served to do what SMGM wanted, which was bring the team together under the HC?? Possibility would have always been there to have the HC defer to Wade. If Gruden was really being given the sink or swim test, you cant hedge your bets by forcing Wade onto him.

 

[deanpet21]

Well if the decision was all on Gruden then I see your point 1000%. Of course he is going to cover his ass by not hiring a former head coach that could eventually replace him. But by not hiring the better talent should cause questions from the fan base. I thought SM had TOTAL control of this team but I guess when it comes to the coaches he doesn't.

 

[Sharkinva]

Well if the decision was all on Gruden then I see your point 1000%. Of course he is going to cover his ass by not hiring a former head coach that could eventually replace him. But by not hiring the better talent should cause questions from the fan base. I thought SM had TOTAL control of this team but I guess when it comes to the coaches he doesn't.

SM came out and said from day one, Gruden has final say on his coaches. And again I dont see it as a mistake. If Im a manager going into the next year where we had an off year, Im not going to hire some one that will automatically bring distraction should we struggle coming out of the gate.

Now I do think if Barry and the defense dont show marked improvement in 2016, then you have to start looking at replacing him.

 

[deanpet21]

I wouldn't call Wade a distraction. Grudens job was going to be safe b/c of the growth of KC. I think we would of been a better team with Wade onboard. Barry gets a lot of credit this year b/c of all the injuries don't get me wrong. But if you are going to axe Barry next year if the defense falters then why hire a young d coordinator?

 

[Sharkinva]

I wouldn't call Wade a distraction. Grudens job was going to be safe b/c of the growth of KC. I think we would of been a better team with Wade onboard. Barry gets a lot of credit this year b/c of all the injuries don't get me wrong. But if you are going to axe Barry next year if the defense falters then why hire a young d coordinator?

HInd site is always 20/20. Remember when we hired Barry, the plan was that Griffin was the starter. So there was no way Gruden was banking on the improvement of Cousins, because he actually had to convince the owner and GM that starting Cousins was in the best interest of the team. The whole point in hiring Barry over Wade was that Gruden needed some one who was more along his line of thinking and wouldnt be the proverbial white elephant in the room should the team struggle early on. Bottom line is, if you arent sure how much wiggle room you have, you dont hire your potential replacement.

 

[skinz2winz]

Gruden was protecting himself, that is pretty clear here. Phillips is not only superior to Barry, the two shouldn't be mentioned in the same conversation when talking defense.