Who will be the New OC?

[deanpet21]

ESPN's John Keim reports the Commanders are hoping to set up an interview with former Ravens OC Greg Roman for the same position.​

The Commanders have a laundry list of candidates they're eyeing to fill their offensive coordinator vacancy, with Roman being the latest. Roman and the Ravens parted ways nearly a month ago, but the Commanders are the first team to reportedly request an interview with him. Roman helped usher in the early years of Lamar Jackson, helping guide the Ravens to a 14-2 record in Jackson's MVP season while setting a league record in rushing yards (3,296). A well-known whisperer of the mobile quarterback, Roman has also spent time with the Bills (2015-2016) and 49ers (2011-2014), coaching up the likes of Tyrod Taylor and Colin Kaepernick.
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[skinz2winz]

I'm puzzled by this response... and if Chicago makes Fields available, Washington has to be real players in getting him. The issue here is you see Fields as someone else's trash, when in fact he is not even close to being that. On our team, with the weapons that we currently have, he becomes another force multiplier in a league that is transitioning from old school pocket type guys to men who adds the extra value to both run and passing games.

If you watched the Super-Bowl yesterday there were two top line force multiplier QBs on display. One the best in the game (Mahomes) and the other ascending towards a top 5-6 status (Hurts). The question that I have is... why doesn't Washington and apparently some of its fans want one?

It was mentioned several times yesterday and by Hurts that the "new" QB style and need is the 3 tier QB who can use his arm, legs and mind to lead and orchestrate the offense. I also think Fields fits that mold of "new" QB's needed to have offenses succeed to their potential. Not saying that Howell is that far off but does lack some of the athleticism required.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Sty, your take on fields is borderline outrageous, i bet Howell could beat him out in camp. The guy's decision making is waaay too slow, and his running style will have him habitually missing games in the coming seasons. He's not even close to being as good as Lamar. Fields is fantasy football gold and that's about it. Who did Fields make better in Chicago? I say all this respectfully

















I'm puzzled by this response... and if Chicago makes Fields available, Washington has to be real players in getting him. The issue here is you see Fields as someone else's trash, when in fact he is not even close to being that. On our team, with the weapons that we currently have, he becomes another force multiplier in a league that is transitioning from old school pocket type guys to men who adds the extra value to both run and passing games.































If you watched the Super-Bowl yesterday there were two top line force multiplier QBs on display. One the best in the game (Mahomes) and the other ascending towards a top 5-6 status (Hurts). The question that I have is... why doesn't Washington and apparently some of its fans want one?

 

[skinsdad62]

I would look into fields if he was available.

 

[skinsdad62]

 

[j_y19]

I'm puzzled by this response... and if Chicago makes Fields available, Washington has to be real players in getting him. The issue here is you see Fields as someone else's trash, when in fact he is not even close to being that. On our team, with the weapons that we currently have, he becomes another force multiplier in a league that is transitioning from old school pocket type guys to men who adds the extra value to both run and passing games.

If you watched the Super-Bowl yesterday there were two top line force multiplier QBs on display. One the best in the game (Mahomes) and the other ascending towards a top 5-6 status (Hurts). The question that I have is... why doesn't Washington and apparently some of its fans want one?

ah, now i see, its not really draft and develop.... so what would you pay to get fields, who was the worst passer in the league?

 

[Stymietee]

It was mentioned several times yesterday and by Hurts that the "new" QB style and need is the 3 tier QB who can use his arm, legs and mind to lead and orchestrate the offense. I also think Fields fits that mold of "new" QB's needed to have offenses succeed to their potential. Not saying that Howell is that far off but does lack some of the athleticism required.

The NFL has found itself at a crossroads between an ever-shrinking number of traditional QBs coming into their league and an expanding number of QBs that can hurt opposing defenses in multiple ways. I agree that Howell could be the answer here in D.C.

 

[chillerdab]

Are there really any statue like drop back passers in the league anymore, especially ones that arent at the end of their careers?

I’ll look at every team’s starter:
Matt Ryan
Carson Wentz
Matt Jones
Pickett (maybe)
Tannenhill (not really)
Herbert’s not much of a runner
Texans starter (I dont know who that is)
Goff
Cousins
Brady (retired)
Darnold/Mayfield
Stafford

Off these, the only definite statue at ab is Matt Jones in New England, the caveat being I havent watched enough of herbert to remember if he can run, or Pickett, or a few others.

 

[Stymietee]

First, there are probably 6 or 7 seven guys in the NFL who are as good or better than Lamar Jackson especially when it comes to being as vital to an offense as he's been. I get it, there are people who are just not sold on the triple-threat QBs, and here in D.C. are still wary of the same because of the RGIII experience. Thus far Fields has been working with a known QB killer head coach and staff in his first year. In year two, armed with a new HC and staff but few real weapons outside of a single running back and a serviceable TE, his decision-making basically boiled down to running for his life. I honestly don't expect Chicago to part ways with Fields, that would be dumb, but they do have other options and you never know if he will become available until they decide to do whatever it is that they decide to do. In the meantime, Washington, a team and organization in desperate need of a QB must prepare itself for any and all options, including the unlikely one that sees Fields as a potential get.

 

[Stymietee]

ah, now i see, its not really draft and develop.... so what would you pay to get fields, who was the worst passer in the league?

I'm afraid that you don't have a clearer picture yet. Jalen Hurts is NOT the same passer as he was when he first came into the league. He literally worked his ass off to improve that part of his game and I don't believe that we have seen his best yet. It didn't hurt him to have a GM who knew that developing a talented QB required a stout O-line and upgrades in weapons.
Justin Fields because of a horrible first-year coaching situation, a second-year change there, and a severe lack of talented offensive weapons (decent O-line though) hasn't been put into a situation where growth (development) has been an option.

I'm not sure what I'd pay for Fields if he became available which I doubt, I would, however, take a very serious look into that option though. There's a bigger historical question outside of who this team gets at QB and that means seriously getting into the game, and finally becoming a team that builds an organization AND develops QBs. Washington has never drafted or acquired young talent at QB and developed him. IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE PERIOD! Perhaps Theesman is an exception but otherwise not even during their heydays with Gibbs.

One other thing and this involves coaching, I would offer Rivera and the staff an opportunity to keep their jobs here but they would have to pay me to keep them. Why??... well... because when given the opportunity to get the best out of his QB play he balked. Taylor Heinicke was misused because of his conservative nature. We all liked Heinicke because of his moxie, grit, and ability to extend plays. He had one of the tools necessary to become a force multiplier and Rivera didn't exploit it to the greater benefit of his team. (few if any planned QB runs and a limited number of RPO plays) It was coaching malpractice and I now believe that Howell who can run and pass faces the same thing this upcoming year.

 

[Stymietee]

Are there really any statue like drop back passers in the league anymore, especially ones that arent at the end of their careers?

I’ll look at every team’s starter:
Matt Ryan
Carson Wentz
Matt Jones
Pickett (maybe)
Tannenhill (not really)
Herbert’s not much of a runner
Texans starter (I dont know who that is)
Goff
Cousins
Brady (retired)
Darnold/Mayfield
Stafford

Off these, the only definite statue at ab is Matt Jones in New England, the caveat being I havent watched enough of herbert to remember if he can run, or Pickett, or a few others.

Interesting list and none outside of perhaps Herbert have much of an upside by any definition one would choose to apply to that term. None of them are known as runners and wouldn't be effective when running RPOs. The league is changing and Washington always slow to adapt seems destined to again become the last team standing against it. Well done sir!

 

[Sportster 72]

Washington because of Kyle Shanahan was a leader in the RPO offense because Griffin lacked drop back skills. Kyle brought it to the league. Griffin decided he didn't want to run it and Snyder supported him.

 

[chillerdab]

Interesting list and none outside of perhaps Herbert have much of an upside by any definition one would choose to apply to that term. None of them are known as runners and wouldn't be effective when running RPOs. The league is changing and Washington always slow to adapt seems destined to again become the last team standing against it. Well done sir!

To be fair, Sty, I dont think there as many triple threats as you might think there are.

Same thing, lets look at the league’s starters:

Josh Allen - sure, he can truck people, but he’s not running away from people
Tua - not yet a true threat
Jets / Wilson?!?! - cant pass
Burrow - not a running threat
Jackson - yup, triple threat
Watson - probably yes, we’ll see next year
Mahomey - yes
Trevor Lawrence - not really
Russell wilson - looked washed up this year
Hurts - yes
Dax - yes
Daniel Jones - maybe
Aaron Rodgers - yes but old
Fields - shitty passing stats
Jameis Winston - no
Lance - who knows
Purdy - who knows
GeNo Smith - not much of a runner
Murray - yes

So that’s about a quarter of the league as “yesses” in my book.

Not exactly a sea change.

 

[Stymietee]

To be fair, Sty, I dont think there as many triple threats as you might think there are.

Same thing, lets look at the league’s starters:

Josh Allen - sure, he can truck people, but he’s not running away from people
Tua - not yet a true threat
Jets / Wilson?!?! - cant pass
Burrow - not a running threat
Jackson - yup, triple threat
Watson - probably yes, we’ll see next year
Mahomey - yes
Trevor Lawrence - not really
Russell wilson - looked washed up this year
Hurts - yes
Dax - yes
Daniel Jones - maybe
Aaron Rodgers - yes but old
Fields - shitty passing stats
Jameis Winston - no
Lance - who knows
Purdy - who knows
GeNo Smith - not much of a runner
Murray - yes

So that’s about a quarter of the league as “yesses” in my book.

Not exactly a sea change.

Excellent post!!

So after reading it I thought about "sea changes" which have no definitive time restrictions and decided to go back randomly 10 seasons ago just to compare your list to that of yesteryear. Here's a list of starting QBs then, how many as a percentage do you identify as runners, or if you desire specifically as effective RPO runners?


1. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay (Age: 28, Record: 41-21)
2011 Stats: 4,643 yards, 45 TD, 6 INT, 257 rush yards, 3 TD

2. Tom Brady, New England (Age: 35, Record: 124-35)
2011 Stats: 5,235 yards, 39 TD, 12 INT, 109 rush yards, 3 TD

3. Drew Brees, New Orleans (Age: 33, Record: 92-61)
2011 Stats: 5,476 yards, 46 TD, 14 INT, 86 rush yards, TD

4. Eli Manning, New York Giants (Age: 31, Record: 69-50)
2011 Stats: 4,933 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 15 rush yards, TD
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5. Peyton Manning, Denver (Age: 36, Record: 141-67)
2011 Stats: None

6. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh (Age: 30, Record: 80-33)
2011 Stats: 4,077 yards, 21 TD, 14 INT, 70 rush yards

7. Matthew Stafford, Detroit (Age: 24, Record: 13-16)
2011 Stats: 5,038 yards, 41 TD, 16 INT, 78 rush yards

8. Tony Romo, Dallas (Age: 32, Record: 47-30)
2011 Stats: 4,184 yards, 31 TD, 10 INT, 46 rush yards, TD

9. Philip Rivers, San Diego (Age: 30, Record: 63-33)
2011 Stats: 4,624 yards, 27 TD, 20 INT, 36 rush yards, TD

10. Matt Ryan, Atlanta (Age: 27, Record: 43-19)
2011 Stats: 4,177 yards, 29 TD, 12 INT, 84 rush yards, 2 TD

11. Joe Flacco, Baltimore (Age: 27, Record: 44-20)
2011 Stats: 3,610 yards, 20 TD, 12 INT, 88 rush yards, TD

12. Matt Schaub, Houston (Age: 32, Record: 32-34)
2011 Stats: 2,479 yards, 15 TD, 6 INT, 9 rush yards, 2 TD (10 games)

13. Jay Cutler, Chicago (Age: 29, Record: 41-37)
2011 Stats: 2,319 yards, 13 TD, 7 INT, 55 rush yards, TD (10 games)

14. Michael Vick, Philadelphia (Age: 32, Record: 53-37-1)
2011 Stats: 3,303 yards, 18 TD, 14 INT, 589 rush yards, TD

15. Carson Palmer, Oakland (Age: 32, Record: 50-56)
2011 Stats: 2,753 yards, 13 TD, 16 INT, 20 rush yards, TD (9 games)

16. Cam Newton, Carolina (Age: 23, Record: 6-10)
2011 Stats: 4,051 yards, 21 TD, 17 INT, 706 rush yards, 14 TD

17. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis (Age: 22, Record: None)
2011 Stats: 3,517 yards, 37 TD, 10 INT, 150 rush yards, 2 TD (Stanford)

18. Andy Dalton, Cincinnati (Age: 24, Record: 9-7)
2011 Stats: 3,398 yards, 20 TD, 13 INT, 152 rush yards, TD

19. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Buffalo (Age: 29, Record: 17-31)
2011 Stats: 3,832 yards, 24 TD, 23 INT, 215 rush yards

20. Sam Bradford, St. Louis (Age: 24, Record: 8-18)
2011 Stats: 2,164 yards, 6 TD, 6 INT, 26 rush yards (10 games)

21. Robert Griffin III, Washington (Age: 22, Record: None)
2011 Stats: 4,293 yards, 37 TD, 6 INT, 699 rush yards, 10 TD (Baylor)

22. Mark Sanchez, New York Jets (Age: 25, Record: 27-20)
2011 Stats: 3,474 yards, 26 TD, 18 INT, 103 rush yards, 6 TD

23. Matt Hasselbeck, Tennessee (Age: 36, Record: 78-69)
2011 Stats: 3,571 yards, 18 TD, 14 INT, 52 rush yards

24. Josh Freeman, Tampa Bay (Age: 24, Record: 17-23)
2011 Stats: 3,592 yards, 16 TD, 22 INT, 238 rush yards, 4 TD

25. Alex Smith, San Francisco (Age: 28, Record: 32-34)
2011 Stats: 3,144 yards, 17 TD, 5 INT, 179 rush yards, 2 TD

26. Matt Flynn, Seattle (Age: 27, Record: 1-1)
2011 Stats: 518 yards, 6 TD, 2 INT, rush TD

27. Christian Ponder, Minnesota (Age: 24, Record: 2-8)
2011 Stats: 1,853 yards, 13 TD, 13 INT, 219 rush yards (10 games)

28. Brandon Weeden, Cleveland (Age: 28, Record: None)
2011 Stats: 4,727 yards, 37 TD, 13 INT, rush TD (Oklahoma State)

29. Matt Moore, Miami (Age: 28, Record: 13-12)
2011 Stats: 2,497 yards, 16 TD, 9 INT, 65 rush yards, 2 TD

30. Kevin Kolb, Arizona (Age: 28, Record: 6-10)
2011 Stats: 1,955 yards, 9 TD, 8 INT, 65 rush yards (9 games)

31. Matt Cassel, Kansas City (Age: 30, Record: 28-26)
2011 Stats: 1,713 yards, 10 TD, 9 INT, 99 rush yards (9 games)

32. Blaine Gabbert, Jacksonville (Age: 22, Record: 4-10)
2011 Stats: 2,214 yards, 12 TD, 11 INT, 98 rush yards

 

[chillerdab]

Excellent post!!

So after reading it I thought about "sea changes" which have no definitive time restrictions and decided to go back randomly 10 seasons ago just to compare your list to that of yesteryear. Here's a list of starting QBs then, how many as a percentage do you identify as runners, or if you desire specifically as effective RPO runners?


1. Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay (Age: 28, Record: 41-21)
2011 Stats: 4,643 yards, 45 TD, 6 INT, 257 rush yards, 3 TD

2. Tom Brady, New England (Age: 35, Record: 124-35)
2011 Stats: 5,235 yards, 39 TD, 12 INT, 109 rush yards, 3 TD

3. Drew Brees, New Orleans (Age: 33, Record: 92-61)
2011 Stats: 5,476 yards, 46 TD, 14 INT, 86 rush yards, TD

4. Eli Manning, New York Giants (Age: 31, Record: 69-50)
2011 Stats: 4,933 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 15 rush yards, TD
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5. Peyton Manning, Denver (Age: 36, Record: 141-67)
2011 Stats: None

6. Ben Roethlisberger, Pittsburgh (Age: 30, Record: 80-33)
2011 Stats: 4,077 yards, 21 TD, 14 INT, 70 rush yards

7. Matthew Stafford, Detroit (Age: 24, Record: 13-16)
2011 Stats: 5,038 yards, 41 TD, 16 INT, 78 rush yards

8. Tony Romo, Dallas (Age: 32, Record: 47-30)
2011 Stats: 4,184 yards, 31 TD, 10 INT, 46 rush yards, TD

9. Philip Rivers, San Diego (Age: 30, Record: 63-33)
2011 Stats: 4,624 yards, 27 TD, 20 INT, 36 rush yards, TD

10. Matt Ryan, Atlanta (Age: 27, Record: 43-19)
2011 Stats: 4,177 yards, 29 TD, 12 INT, 84 rush yards, 2 TD

11. Joe Flacco, Baltimore (Age: 27, Record: 44-20)
2011 Stats: 3,610 yards, 20 TD, 12 INT, 88 rush yards, TD

12. Matt Schaub, Houston (Age: 32, Record: 32-34)
2011 Stats: 2,479 yards, 15 TD, 6 INT, 9 rush yards, 2 TD (10 games)

13. Jay Cutler, Chicago (Age: 29, Record: 41-37)
2011 Stats: 2,319 yards, 13 TD, 7 INT, 55 rush yards, TD (10 games)

14. Michael Vick, Philadelphia (Age: 32, Record: 53-37-1)
2011 Stats: 3,303 yards, 18 TD, 14 INT, 589 rush yards, TD

15. Carson Palmer, Oakland (Age: 32, Record: 50-56)
2011 Stats: 2,753 yards, 13 TD, 16 INT, 20 rush yards, TD (9 games)

16. Cam Newton, Carolina (Age: 23, Record: 6-10)
2011 Stats: 4,051 yards, 21 TD, 17 INT, 706 rush yards, 14 TD

17. Andrew Luck, Indianapolis (Age: 22, Record: None)
2011 Stats: 3,517 yards, 37 TD, 10 INT, 150 rush yards, 2 TD (Stanford)

18. Andy Dalton, Cincinnati (Age: 24, Record: 9-7)
2011 Stats: 3,398 yards, 20 TD, 13 INT, 152 rush yards, TD

19. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Buffalo (Age: 29, Record: 17-31)
2011 Stats: 3,832 yards, 24 TD, 23 INT, 215 rush yards

20. Sam Bradford, St. Louis (Age: 24, Record: 8-18)
2011 Stats: 2,164 yards, 6 TD, 6 INT, 26 rush yards (10 games)

21. Robert Griffin III, Washington (Age: 22, Record: None)
2011 Stats: 4,293 yards, 37 TD, 6 INT, 699 rush yards, 10 TD (Baylor)

22. Mark Sanchez, New York Jets (Age: 25, Record: 27-20)
2011 Stats: 3,474 yards, 26 TD, 18 INT, 103 rush yards, 6 TD

23. Matt Hasselbeck, Tennessee (Age: 36, Record: 78-69)
2011 Stats: 3,571 yards, 18 TD, 14 INT, 52 rush yards

24. Josh Freeman, Tampa Bay (Age: 24, Record: 17-23)
2011 Stats: 3,592 yards, 16 TD, 22 INT, 238 rush yards, 4 TD

25. Alex Smith, San Francisco (Age: 28, Record: 32-34)
2011 Stats: 3,144 yards, 17 TD, 5 INT, 179 rush yards, 2 TD

26. Matt Flynn, Seattle (Age: 27, Record: 1-1)
2011 Stats: 518 yards, 6 TD, 2 INT, rush TD

27. Christian Ponder, Minnesota (Age: 24, Record: 2-8)
2011 Stats: 1,853 yards, 13 TD, 13 INT, 219 rush yards (10 games)

28. Brandon Weeden, Cleveland (Age: 28, Record: None)
2011 Stats: 4,727 yards, 37 TD, 13 INT, rush TD (Oklahoma State)

29. Matt Moore, Miami (Age: 28, Record: 13-12)
2011 Stats: 2,497 yards, 16 TD, 9 INT, 65 rush yards, 2 TD

30. Kevin Kolb, Arizona (Age: 28, Record: 6-10)
2011 Stats: 1,955 yards, 9 TD, 8 INT, 65 rush yards (9 games)

31. Matt Cassel, Kansas City (Age: 30, Record: 28-26)
2011 Stats: 1,713 yards, 10 TD, 9 INT, 99 rush yards (9 games)

32. Blaine Gabbert, Jacksonville (Age: 22, Record: 4-10)
2011 Stats: 2,214 yards, 12 TD, 11 INT, 98 rush yards

An equally excellent post, Sty!

Seems about the same to me: Rodgers, Vick, Newton, RG3, Freeman, Luck, Dalton, Fitzmagic were all elusive enough to be considered “runners,” one could argue, no?

Wether or not all of the facets of their game needed to be respected is a different conversation.

From the list above, I’d say the following needed to be respected in all three phases of the game (run, pass, mental):
Rodgers, Vick (especially later in his career), Newton, Luck.

You could argue RG3 too, especially his rookie season, due to the quality of his coaching staff / game plan.

 

[skinsdad62]

Now I do think we drafted and developed a young signal caller In one Mark Rypien who qb’ D a Super Bowl win with the best analytiCal team of all time

i would also add we drafted and developed one KC who has had a top 30 Statistically qb career

 

[skinsdad62]

Stan humphries was another qb we Drafted and developed and he qb‘d a chargers team to a superbowl

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Trent Green , Gus Ferrote Nate Sudfield

 

[kbso83432]