Who do you keep?

[BigKen]

I take back all the bad things I've said about Bolden. Well until we get healthy again.

I must do so also. I have to admit that he has a much better attitude than previously. Sometimes all it takes is a second chance.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I must do so also. I have to admit that he has a much better attitude than previously. Sometimes all it takes is a second chance.

His blocking has really impressed me. Props given.

 

[nefansince75]

I must do so also. I have to admit that he has a much better attitude than previously. Sometimes all it takes is a second chance.

Attitude? He's been on the team for like 10 years. It's never been about his attitude. He's always been reserved as a swiss army knife player especially focused on ST. Ever seen him run against the Pats while on Miami? He tore them up one game.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

From Mike Reiss:
Patriots kicker Nick Folk has been named the AFC Special Teams Player of the Week after hitting four field goals in the team's win over the Texans (52, 52, 32, 21). Folk is also working through a left knee injury, with toughness that has made coaches/teammates take notice.
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[Southieinnc]

Nick Folk for MVP?

@YankeeRebel @cheerupcharlie

 

[Yankee Traveler]

I reject that hypothesis which appears to be: a couple or few years down-trending years followed by up-trending constitute a rebuild.

I have a different perspective of that trend... In 1999 and 2000 Drew Bledsoe was playing the game the way He wanted to play it. He said all the right things after so it was difficult to identify. In 2001 Bledsoe was replaced and the trend immediately changed.

Brady wasn't drafted to replace Bledsoe within a couple years. He was drafted to add depth. Therefore you can't consider drafting Brady as part of a rebuild.

But that is how Belichick drafts.
He didn't draft TB to replace DB, he drafted him because he was so competitive and every QB brought in to Michigan to replace him did not have that competitive spirit even if they were better QB's.
Edelman was not drafted to replace Welker, he was drafted because, in BB's words, "You're a football player".

 

[Yankee Traveler]

From Mike Reiss:
Patriots kicker Nick Folk has been named the AFC Special Teams Player of the Week after hitting four field goals in the team's win over the Texans (52, 52, 32, 21). Folk is also working through a left knee injury, with toughness that has made coaches/teammates take notice.
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That's IT!! Cut Him!!


I've had just about enough of his shit!

 

[nefansince75]

But that is how Belichick drafts.
He didn't draft TB to replace DB, he drafted him because he was so competitive and every QB brought in to Michigan to replace him did not have that competitive spirit even if they were better QB's.
Edelman was not drafted to replace Welker, he was drafted because, in BB's words, "You're a football player".

I could not agree more. And it started the day BB arrived. Soft upgrades and drafting for depth. Spread the resources (money, draft picks) around and create a cohesive competitive environment.

This is a constant process of constant improving wherever feasible, which is not a rebuild. A rebuild implies intentionally jettisoning key pieces of a previous "process" and collecting more resources (adding draft picks and accumulating cap space), which is then invested all at once or over a short period of time (one to three seasons).

 

[BigKen]

I could not agree more. And it started the day BB arrived. Soft upgrades and drafting for depth. Spread the resources (money, draft picks) around and create a cohesive competitive environment.

This is a constant process of constant improving wherever feasible, which is not a rebuild. A rebuild implies intentionally jettisoning key pieces of a previous "process" and collecting more resources (adding draft picks and accumulating cap space), which is then invested all at once or over a short period of time (one to three seasons).

True. The only problem today is that players have a completely different attitude today than in 1998. Back then, they considered themselves lucky to be drafted and worked their asses off to prove the coach or GM right. Today, 99% of them want you to consider yourself lucky that they were available when you turn to pick came. Yeah, They'll come to practice and do what you ask, but they're not going to risk a friggin' thing until they're in a game.

The other issue is that Bill has always had a multiple board system that he works from. the first is the concensus top 100 players. Then there's the Patriots staff top 100 players. The final board is the Patriots need board where there is a mix of the first two board with all of the Patriots draft slots and multiple players from 1 -10 in each slot. Basically, let's say that the Patriots have 7 picks. When their 3rd rond pick comes up, all 30 players on the Patriots board are gone. Bill will not drop to a player in round four and move him to round 3. He make a deal and get more picks later or a simila pick the following year and a later round pick. When I saw them and Caserio explained them to me, I was fascinated. I just wish I had been there in March or April and not the week before Memorial Day.

Maybe not an issue, so much as a way to possibly get more of the guys you want by trading out of a round.

 

[sharkymcwrath]

Since you guys are talking about drafting I'm curious as to your opinions on the Mac Jones pick. Do you guys think Mac was the Pats first choice at QB? Do you think they would've rather had one of the other QB's drafted ahead of him? What would they have done if Mac got drafted earlier and there wasn't one of the top QB's left? Was drafting Mac their plan all along?

I am certainly happy with Mac but I'm super curious to know what the Pats actual plans were on draft day and if it all worked out the way they wanted.

 

[BigKen]

Since you guys are talking about drafting I'm curious as to your opinions on the Mac Jones pick. Do you guys think Mac was the Pats first choice at QB? Do you think they would've rather had one of the other QB's drafted ahead of him? What would they have done if Mac got drafted earlier and there wasn't one of the top QB's left? Was drafting Mac their plan all along?

I am certainly happy with Mac but I'm super curious to know what the Pats actual plans were on draft day and if it all worked out the way they wanted.

According to everything I've heard or seen, Nick Saban had convined Bill that Mac would be the guy he needed to take the Patriots on another 15-20 ride of success. Josh and Zig worked him out and Bill supposedly had more than three conversations with him. If there was any way Bill could get him, he was the guy to get. If the 49ers had taken Mac, chances are all five of the top QBs would have been taken well before Bil could have gotten one. It would have taken an earth moving deal to get into the top eight picks and more than likely The guy that would have been available was Trey Lance. Not bad, certainly looks like he could run this offense, but not sure if the Josh complex offense would have really been a fit for him. all things being equal, I think Bill would have passed on moving up and hoped for something else and possibly he would have grabbed Davis mills in the second or third round.

I'm surprised that another team didn't offer to draft Mac and trade him to Bill for the #15 and maybe a fourth along with a second next year.

Personally, I think it worked out even better than I thought it could. Now Bill and Josh just have to give him more trust and try to air it out. Just don't know if the WR can get downfield and separate a step or a step and a half.

 

[Southieinnc]

Since you guys are talking about drafting I'm curious as to your opinions on the Mac Jones pick. Do you guys think Mac was the Pats first choice at QB? Do you think they would've rather had one of the other QB's drafted ahead of him? What would they have done if Mac got drafted earlier and there wasn't one of the top QB's left? Was drafting Mac their plan all along?

I am certainly happy with Mac but I'm super curious to know what the Pats actual plans were on draft day and if it all worked out the way they wanted.

All indications I have seen are that Mac and Bill were preferred. It was certainly a well-kept secret after many conversations and workouts.

What would we have done? It's quite possible Ken is right about Mills but Houston picked before us in 3rd round.

I think Mac has the potential to be a franchise QB for us. He must continue to grow and the team must support him. The O-lineissue is bigger than the WR issue. Consider this season to be rapid training on quick processing If we get the O-line fixed the Receivers will be able run better and more complex routes. Example: there is not enough time for a simple pick play. Crossing routes need time too. Defenders only have to man up for 3-4 seconds!

 

[Yankee Traveler]

Since you guys are talking about drafting I'm curious as to your opinions on the Mac Jones pick. Do you guys think Mac was the Pats first choice at QB? Do you think they would've rather had one of the other QB's drafted ahead of him? What would they have done if Mac got drafted earlier and there wasn't one of the top QB's left? Was drafting Mac their plan all along?

I am certainly happy with Mac but I'm super curious to know what the Pats actual plans were on draft day and if it all worked out the way they wanted.

Wild ass guess...?

Garoppolo would be here.

 

[Southieinnc]

Wild ass guess...?

Garoppolo would be here.

And we'd be trying to replace him?

 

[molsaniceman]

Since you guys are talking about drafting I'm curious as to your opinions on the Mac Jones pick. Do you guys think Mac was the Pats first choice at QB? Do you think they would've rather had one of the other QB's drafted ahead of him? What would they have done if Mac got drafted earlier and there wasn't one of the top QB's left? Was drafting Mac their plan all along?

I am certainly happy with Mac but I'm super curious to know what the Pats actual plans were on draft day and if it all worked out the way they wanted.

something that only BB knows and im pretty sure he aint telling

 

[Hank Kingsley]

Since you guys are talking about drafting I'm curious as to your opinions on the Mac Jones pick. Do you guys think Mac was the Pats first choice at QB? Do you think they would've rather had one of the other QB's drafted ahead of him? What would they have done if Mac got drafted earlier and there wasn't one of the top QB's left? Was drafting Mac their plan all along?

I am certainly happy with Mac but I'm super curious to know what the Pats actual plans were on draft day and if it all worked out the way they wanted.

I think he was. Lance and Fields are more of a project given their propensity to run. More unknown.

I think aside from the Saban factor Jones was more the type of QB that BB prefers. Stay put and throw the ball. Let the running backs do their job.

And he'd never have a chance at Fabio or Wilson.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

And we'd be trying to replace him?

Somewhere around April 29, 2022?

 

[nefansince75]

Somewhere around April 29, 2022?

In my opinion he became nonviable once he was sacked by the Dolphin and left the fate of the game in the hands of Brissett.

 

[Yankee Traveler]

In my opinion he became nonviable once he was sacked by the Dolphin and left the fate of the game in the hands of Brissett.

Well...no need to over anal yze...

1) it was hypothetical what if we didn't get Mac and San Fran did and all other decent rookies were gone.
2) was intended to be funny
3) I would rather have an often injured Garoppolo than an incompetent Cam, I mean, Gronk was injured a lot too.
4) He may not get injured again with our new Castle Wall of an O Line.

 

[nefansince75]

Well...no need to over anal yze...

1) it was hypothetical what if we didn't get Mac and San Fran did and all other decent rookies were gone.
2) was intended to be funny
3) I would rather have an often injured Garoppolo than an incompetent Cam, I mean, Gronk was injured a lot too.
4) He may not get injured again with our new Castle Wall of an O Line.

I was only giving my opinion on everything Jimmy-G related since 2016... Your thoughts, light and serious, are just as valid.