What's your criteria on draft day?

[TREFF]

#2 Opportunity/offensive system. This is very closely behind #1, as all the talent in the world won't put up numbers if he's buried behind BJGE on the depth chart.

Treff are talking about the aptly football named Rex Burkhead again

Lol..well, specifically Gio last year. . But yea, Burkhead too!! Sexy Rexy as all female Husker fans know him by, could run circles around and through the Law Firm! No idea how he wasn't the lead back last year!

OK, maybe this year? ? I'll settle for him being active on gamedays

 

[Barilko]

Great thread Treff...

i would say i use your top 3 in initial research to create my own tiers

however my research is never as exhaustive as it should be

I then follow up on draft day by closely monitoring each teams roster as it fills by position

and then build my team based on what i deem to be available to me...(obviously)

and i do admit in later rounds i will certainly choose a player who if and when he succeeds will further my enjoyment of watching Football ...ie: a Texan's Hopkins over a Patriot's Dobson..


Seriously great thread..

 

[Barilko]

Lol..well, specifically Gio last year. . But yea, Burkhead too!! Sexy Rexy as all female Husker fans know him by, could run circles around and through the Law Firm! No idea how he wasn't the lead back last year!

OK, maybe this year? ? I'll settle for him being active on gamedays

you bet he is a keeper in my farm system thanks to his agent with the smoking skull

 

[TREFF]

you bet he is a keeper in my farm system thanks to his agent with the smoking skull

Well in all honesty the dude is a great ball player. . Hard nosed, hard working, unfortunately he wasn't blessed with much in the size area, nor is he a speed burner. But, he's adequate everywhere, is excellent in the passing game (including throwing the halfback pass), and in a return yardage league, he may be a nice low end option at some point. Hurts to say, but I highly doubt he's ever a credible NFL RB... but no one can deny he's one helluva football player in general.

 

[wilwhite]

I'd like to have a conversation with the bottom corner of Joe's cheat sheet.

A great TE, K & D is only equal to an avg WR.

Graham had 217 FF pts, and the Seahawks had 255 (in MBBRL). The 6th WR (Bryant) had 194 FF pts. Graham and the Seahawks were 100 pts better than the 12th-best at their positions. Bryant was 100 pts better than the 42nd-best WR.

Rookie RB & WR rarely have a 1K+ season.

RBs do. Of 25 RBs with 1K+ seasons last year, 5 were rookies

Never draft a rookie QB. Ever.

Four of the top twelve QBs in 2012 were rookies. (And all three QBs drafted as #1 or #2 in the past three years were top-10 in their rookie years.) I think this was a good rule for many years, but it's time has probably passed.

But I like the rest!

 

[TREFF]

I would definitely subscribe to the no rookie QB thing. . This year for certain. There aren't any, on a team where even if given the reigns right away, have the wrappings, or offensive system to be a good fantasy potion. The line exception I would consider is Bridgewater with AP and Patterson (and Jennings). But the rest? Bortles, Carr, Manziel, and anyone else you can think of, even if they are good QB's, they have next to nothing to work with.

 

[Trudem]

One thing that I like to take into account is who im playing with in the league. Unfortuantely I dont know you guys that well so im going in blind but if you can get a "tell" on some of the other managers it helps immensely, at leat IMO.

 

[wilwhite]

Most years there's no rookie QB worth targeting. But I'd submit that discarding an entire category of player who might help you only helps your opponents.

But you gotta be circumspect about the hype on anybody - and it's especially loud for rookies.

 

[TREFF]

One thing that I like to take into account is who im playing with in the league. Unfortuantely I dont know you guys that well so im going in blind but if you can get a "tell" on some of the other managers it helps immensely, at leat IMO.

I don't think you'll find a group more willing to tell you exactly what they're thinking. .lol

 

[Trudem]

I don't think you'll find a group more willing to tell you exactly what they're thinking. .lol

I know but actual practice makes it easier to visualize...at least for me.

BTW I love the competitive nature of this league. I think its going to be a lot of fun!

 

[leftypower]

I don't think you'll find a group more willing to tell you exactly what they're thinking. .lol

All I can say is that everyone here has a knack for picking whomever you want before it gets to you. ...
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Another topic - Since we are getting closer to draft, I'd like to throw this out there. In the past we had waiver picks based upon worse to first with a reset every week (I think that was the only option on CBS free). In two leagues I play in, the waiver order does not reset weekly - you go to the back until you work your way back to the front. Personally, I think that adds another layer of strategy as to when do I use that first pickup, where as now, if you get off to a bad start you can just grab the favor of the week every week until you hit and start winning. ..... This bunch is very active on the waiver wire so to think that you may get the backup to your stud RB who suddenly goes down while you're sitting in the 10 spot of waivers is just not going to happen.

Anyway, thought I'd put that out there since it is an option in ESPN.

 

[averagejoe]

I'd like to have a conversation with the bottom corner of Joe's cheat sheet.

Graham had 217 FF pts, and the Seahawks had 255 (in MBBRL). The 6th WR (Bryant) had 194 FF pts. Graham and the Seahawks were 100 pts better than the 12th-best at their positions. Bryant was 100 pts better than the 42nd-best WR.

RBs do. Of 25 RBs with 1K+ seasons last year, 5 were rookies

Four of the top twelve QBs in 2012 were rookies. (And all three QBs drafted as #1 or #2 in the past three years were top-10 in their rookie years.) I think this was a good rule for many years, but it's time has probably passed.

But I like the rest!

Let me just add that my list (from the previous page) is 12 years old. The gist of some of the points is not to load up on unproven type players. Sure, there have been some anomalies, especially in the last few years. Maybe a few changes are in order? But my list hasn't let me down yet.

 

[TREFF]

I'll be the dissenting voice in this one. I feel the worst team, record wise should always get first pick

But won't be butthurt if we change it

 

[Brees#1]

The mid rounds is a challenge for me. I have not been good in this area last two years. I plan to draft based on what I will get the best production out of the first four rounds, maybe three. Then rounds 4 or 5-6 I'll fill out my starting roster, do not plan to draft a TE in these rounds unless Gronk or Thomas fall to me in the fourth and I decide not to get them earlier. Basically my league is a 2 rb/2 wr/Flex standard, so I usually will have to take a chance on a no.3 receiver or rb after rounds 1-6 or a no.3 TE. Once I have the starters set, I set out to get the upside players and a defense. I plan to draft a combination of Cooks, Watkins, Mason, Benjamin, Matthews, Ebron/Green, Boykin. I might take a chance on DMC and Moreno is they fall to 10 as well as Ridley. As usual, I will rely on FA to complete my team before the second half. My goal is to have at least five big players stay healthy.

 

[averagejoe]

Trying to keep up with your line of reasoning and you're losing me.

Once I have the starters set... I plan to draft a combination of Cooks, Watkins, Mason, Benjamin, Matthews, Ebron/Green, Boykin.

Well outside the top six there really isnt a sure thing at rb for rb 1 value. But ones who are true 1s are being overlooked and falling to fifth round.

You are really down on a good handful of RB - starting RB, mainly because they only have played 1 season or a partial season (or RBBC). But conversely you seem overly excited about targeting unproven rookies.

 

[tlance]

Trying to keep up with your line of reasoning and you're losing me.





You are really down on a good handful of RB - starting RB, mainly because they only have played 1 season or a partial season (or RBBC). But conversely you seem overly excited about targeting unproven rookies.

When, in fact, the majority of huge breakouts occur in a players' 2nd or 3rd season.

 

[TREFF]

Trying to keep up with your line of reasoning and you're losing me.





You are really down on a good handful of RB - starting RB, mainly because they only have played 1 season or a partial season (or RBBC). But conversely you seem overly excited about targeting unproven rookies.

I'm beginning to wonder if that isn't his goal.

 

[Pattersonca65]

I like them all, but I like #4 and try to do the same - but not out of desperation either.

I usually try to account for these in my personal rankings. But just in case I'm distracted during the draft (or my friends have unfortunately limited their alcohol consumption), I have this list in the lower corner of my personal cheat sheet:

• Don't take too many chances.
• Pay attention to the positions drafted.
• Beware of BYE weeks.
• Beware of media "hyped" players.
• A great TE, K & D is only equal to an avg WR.
• Most injuries take a year to heal.
• Don't stockpile players from bad teams.
• Rookie RB & WR rarely have a 1K+ season.
• Do not base a career on the previous season.
• Never draft a rookie QB. Ever.

Great advice. I learned a few lessons on a couple of the points above the hard way

 

[Brees#1]

Trying to keep up with your line of reasoning and you're losing me.





You are really down on a good handful of RB - starting RB, mainly because they only have played 1 season or a partial season (or RBBC). But conversely you seem overly excited about targeting unproven rookies.

Because those players I target late are potential starters, not starters. Its all about swinging for the fences at that part of the draft. Like if Stacy sucks in a RBBC and gets hurt its Mason's job. Same with Gore especially with news of Hunter it's Hyde's job. I did not say I would not draft a RB earlier. I'm planning on drafting Ball if he falls to me in 2 or Foster and using Gronk or Thomas as trade chip. This is my line of thinking: there's first round value in the top 3 rounds. Gronk and Thomas have that ceiling for sure. Patterson has that ceiling in the fourth. And Rice is the one people are down on yet the ravens fans are sure he will bounce back.