what to do with murphy ?

[ehb5]

Only certain players. I live in an area where most people only care about college football. For many of them their only real knowledge of the NFL is via Fantasy Football. I would argue your pt about how much knowledge they gather via this method.

Fantasy football basically reveals nothing about the O-line nor most defensive players. It also only recognizes certain aspects of offensive players. It kind of reminds me of how so many folks here dismiss Garcon & only focus on his numbers being down - they completely ignore other aspects of his game like his blocking - that is the view of someone who learned football mainly via fantasy or Madden football.

I believe that the real answer is that Fantasy Football reveals some of the workings of football and the NFL (which is fine).

Alright bear with me and I think I can clear this up because I realize Im not being extremely clear.

There are varying levels of fantasy football and what you can get from. To start we have people who have never watched football before. Fantasy football may get them to watch the sport and become interested. They may also learn the absolute basics like the best players and the positions and very simple things and then through watching the game and increased interest learn more. Not that impressive but should be noted.

Then we have the people who are already fans of the game. And their buddies come to them and say we should do a fantasy football league so they join. And they pick based on what they know and they arent very dedicated to research - its a much more casual thing. They likely wont learn much by playing the FF. This is the vast majority of FF players. These people use their knowledge from watching/reading about football to play the fantasy version.

And finally, I think there are the people who really love fantasy football and want to find every edge in it. Many of these people are employed as fantasy football gurus or writers. They go VERY in depth on statistics and tendencies of teams and all manner of tools available to find the best players and ways to build teams and in doing so learn a TON about real football and real players. In reading the advice and analysis provided by these people I can say for a fact I learn a lot. So maybe its not through playing specifically that you learn but rather playing lends you to more research and learning which comes back to better playing and so on and so forth.

As for not considering things like Olines and defensive players thats only partially true. For one team defenses are in most every league and leagues with individual defensive players are increasingly common. And in general you need to know about everybody on the field. If I want to know whether to start Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers this week wouldnt I need to know about the teams they are playing. Likewise if I want to project who will have a better season between the two of them I need to know about their Offensive lines. So ultimately you have to know a lot about each player and their situation to evaluate them accurately.

And then finally I will say that obviously FF analysis is very statistically based. Which IMO is great. Stats uncover all sorts of info that watching tape doesnt show (obviously that has its value too). But in general FF is a very analytical look at football which is overwhelmingly a positive. I can tell you for a fact Ive learned a lot about real football from reading a lot more about FF this year and the info Ive learned is not common knowledge stuff.

 

[ehb5]

I say its one of the worst things to happen to foot ball for these reasons

1. Madden Franchise mode..... allows any one to think, oh we can just cut this guy, add this guy and magically become Super Bowl favorites. Madden never takes into account actual team fit, scheme and such.. yes they have tried. But it gives guys like the average fan, or owners like Snyder unrealistic expectations of how the process actually works.

2. Fantasy football... when you are actually more concerned on how Dez Bryant did this week over how the Redskins as a team did because you have money tied to how DEZ did, it actually starts making guys in my opinion more a fan of players over teams. I stopped playing Fantasy when I realized it actually made my watching the games less enjoyable.

3. Vegas odds, same premise to a degree. But I find it repugnant that a fan of a team would place a bet, and hope for a win.. but only by X amount so as to hit on the spread.

Im with ya on Madden as I said. Its totally unrealistic.

As for FF - thats a fair complaint if that really bothers you. But it doesnt have anything to do with whether its an accurate lens to view football through.

 

[Sharkinva]

Put all of these right up there w/ teams cranking up rock/rap songs between every freaking play & also many fans at the stadium checking Facebook 50+ times during a game.

Im fine with the cranked Music. And if you paid $200 a seat to sit there and check your facebook likes, well it was your money. I do realize that in our information over load world, some things are going to change. Im just not a fan of finding new and interesting ways to make it les about the game and more about the individual player.

 

[skinsdad62]

dean there is no reason to trade murphy . he doesnt cost much he has like 32 career starts , he will fit into a rotation real well for us

 

[Sportster 72]

Oh I'm sure we wouldn't lol. And I'm not picking on you I swear lol. But I think you have more of an old school view of football that I dont share so naturally we're going to disagree.

You are correct, I am old school. At the same time I have two nephews playing college ball, a friend playing for the 49ers and get to visit with some of his teammates in the summer so I am not that out of touch. LOL

I am not against fantasy football and I will absolutely tell you that you guys no more about todays players as a whole than I do. I kept up with that years ago but not so much now. Between the HS team, two college teams and being a fan of local pro teams. There isn't any time left after riding the bike and fishing.

Socal said it much better than I though. It is about picking people who put up individual stats and not about how the game is played. I don't think playing fantasy precludes you from understanding the game. From reading your posts your working knowledge of the game is good IMO. You'll get varying opinions on what my opinion is worth.

 

[redskinsfan]

As to Murphy and OLBs, I'm wondering if Scot may take a look at Bruce Irvin, who he ended up drafting while he was in Seattle. Irvin has got some character issues and he may not be worth the risk.

 

[gkekoa]

As to Murphy and OLBs, I'm wondering if Scot may take a look at Bruce Irvin, who he ended up drafting while he was in Seattle. Irvin has got some character issues and he may not be worth the risk.

Irvin said he was willing to take less to stay there.

 

[redskinsfan]

Irvin said he was willing to take less to stay there.

But how much is "less", especially given the salary cap issues that are looming in Seattle. If they let Sweezy and Okung go, they no longer have any of the players that made up their o-line when they went to the Super Bowl. I point that out because, if they feel compelled to re-sign Sweezy and Okung, that's going to take up a nice chunk of their salary cap space. Thank God we don't have those issues.

 

[deanpet21]

I know Murphy is cheap skinsdad but that might entice other teams to make a play for him. Personally, I don't think he sees the field if we bring on Galette. Yes he is good depth but I think SM wants speed rushers. I don't think Murphy fits into a 3-4 OLB.

 

[Sharkinva]

I know Murphy is cheap skinsdad but that might entice other teams to make a play for him. Personally, I don't think he sees the field if we bring on Galette. Yes he is good depth but I think SM wants speed rushers. I don't think Murphy fits into a 3-4 OLB.

OK... say we do resign GAllette, and we deal/cut or otherwise part ways with Murphy.... who becomes the 4th OLB?? As a 3-4 defense you need at minimum 4, and likely 5 OLBs on roster.

 

[deanpet21]

I never said cut. But if you are offered a 3rd or 4th you take it. You can always get a guy to be your 4th OLb.

 

[gkekoa]

Winner...take it a step further. RK gets injured...who takes his spot? Galette and PS are not equipped to play that side.

 

[gkekoa]

I never said cut. But if you are offered a 3rd or 4th you take it. You can always get a guy to be your 4th OLb.

Please go look at the success rate of a third/fourth rounder. I beg you. It is nowhere close to what Murphy is.

 

[Sharkinva]

NOt to mention, you are going backwards. We took Murphy in the 2nd round. Now you want to trade him for a 3rd or 4th??

 

[deanpet21]

You really think Murphy can fetch a 2nd rounder? Sm would do that in a heartbeat.

 

[Sharkinva]

You really think Murphy can fetch a 2nd rounder? Sm would do that in a heartbeat.

NO. What Im saying is, we paid a 2nd for him. He has been a starter here and knows the defense. So why would we take HALF what we gave to get him, only to have to use the pick we get for him in order to replace him??

 

[deanpet21]

b/c in my opinion he doesn't fit our defense. Preston Smith is clearly better than him with less playing time. you are speculating that we use the draft pick we get from Murphy on an OLB.

 

[Sharkinva]

b/c in my opinion he doesn't fit our defense. Preston Smith is clearly better than him with less playing time. you are speculating that we use the draft pick we get from Murphy on an OLB.

Speculate my ass. If we deal Murphy we have 3 OLBs on roster assuming we have resigned GAllette. At minimum we need 4 and more than likely 5. So aside from another PROJECT player, what are you truly hoping to get from this 3rd or 4th rounder?? Likely a guy who might contribute this year, or a 2 year project.

 

[gkekoa]

b/c in my opinion he doesn't fit our defense. Preston Smith is clearly better than him with less playing time. you are speculating that we use the draft pick we get from Murphy on an OLB.

How is Smith clearly better than him? Are you basing this on Murphy being the starter most of the year and getting more PT?

 

[skinsdad62]

oh boy i will take the back up olb who has started 24 games in 2 years over a 3rd or 4th rounder

murphy fits our defense as his PFF has shown for 2 years

a OLB corp of murphy , gallete , kerrigan and smith would be very good indeed