what to do with murphy ?

[j_y19]

I swear, it seems like some people have gotten so used to Draft and free agency being the only REAL time of excitement for Skins fans.... they dont know what to do when we actually HAVE some players worth building around except consider trading them to get MORE draft picks and free agents.

Thanks, fantasy football.

 

[Sharkinva]

Thanks, fantasy football.

Its the other side of the Madden Curse.

 

[ehb5]

Thanks, fantasy football.

Fantasy football is actually a great way to learn more about the sport both for newcomers to football and dedicated fans. Advanced fantasy football players are some of the most knowledgeable football fans you'll find.

 

[Sportster 72]

I'll stick with folks who really played the game. I think Fantasy Football is a great way to get fans more involved. There is no substitute for playing the game though.

 

[j_y19]

Fantasy football is actually a great way to learn more about the sport both for newcomers to football and dedicated fans. Advanced fantasy football players are some of the most knowledgeable football fans you'll find.

I guess. What fantasy football doesn't account for is teamwork, or continuity, or experience, or heart. Those are very important traits in the real football world.

 

[ehb5]

I'll stick with folks who really played the game. I think Fantasy Football is a great way to get fans more involved. There is no substitute for playing the game though.

Experience can be useful but it depends what you're discussing. Somebody who played may understand the nuances of different coverages and things like that better but they also tend to slip into unquantifiable arguments. In reality there's value in a lot of different ways of looking at any sport. But fantasy football players need to find any edge they can and it takes a lot of football knowledge (from film and statistics) to get that edge.

 

[ehb5]

I guess. What fantasy football doesn't account for is teamwork, or continuity, or experience, or heart. Those are very important traits in the real football world.

Not necessarily. Fantasy football is based in the real world. You need to understand real football to succeed in it.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Not necessarily. Fantasy football is based in the real world. You need to understand real football to succeed in it.

Not really. Real football is about winning - fantasy football is about accumulating stats. Big difference. Someone like Rivers could accumulate all types of pts while his team is a disaster (granted not all his fault). Fantasy football also doesn't account for non-glory positions like O line.

 

[Sportster 72]

Experience can be useful but it depends what you're discussing. Somebody who played may understand the nuances of different coverages and things like that better but they also tend to slip into unquantifiable arguments. In reality there's value in a lot of different ways of looking at any sport. But fantasy football players need to find any edge they can and it takes a lot of football knowledge (from film and statistics) to get that edge.

We have 27 of these threads now. You say tomato and I say tomato. Not changing my mind and expect you aren't either. I know you know this but players study tons of film. These days even at the high school level. That's how they help get an edge. Knowing a players tendency, recognizing what the opposition is doing etc. etc. The only difference, one played, the other didn't. Like I said we could argue this for 480 posts and my guess is neither of us change our mind.

 

[j_y19]

Not really. Real football is about winning - fantasy football is about accumulating stats. Big difference. Someone like Rivers could accumulate all types of pts while his team is a disaster (granted not all his fault). Fantasy football also doesn't account for non-glory positions like O line.

BIG DIFFERENCE. Fantasy football does not care about continuity or experience and how something like trading a player might affect the locker room. It's all about the numbers.

 

[Sharkinva]

Fantasy Football and Madden Franchise mode are two of the worst things to ever happen to the NFL, Vegas odds being the other.

 

[ehb5]

Not really. Real football is about winning - fantasy football is about accumulating stats. Big difference. Someone like Rivers could accumulate all types of pts while his team is a disaster (granted not all his fault). Fantasy football also doesn't account for non-glory positions like O line.

This is true. But that doesn't really matter. Rivers can play well on a bad team sure but you still need to know whether he's playing well to project his future performance and in part that of his teammates. To say one is about winning and the other accumulating stats is extremely simplistic.

 

[ehb5]

We have 27 of these threads now. You say tomato and I say tomato. Not changing my mind and expect you aren't either. I know you know this but players study tons of film. These days even at the high school level. That's how they help get an edge. Knowing a players tendency, recognizing what the opposition is doing etc. etc. The only difference, one played, the other didn't. Like I said we could argue this for 480 posts and my guess is neither of us change our mind.

Oh I'm sure we wouldn't lol. And I'm not picking on you I swear lol. But I think you have more of an old school view of football that I dont share so naturally we're going to disagree.

 

[ehb5]

BIG DIFFERENCE. Fantasy football does not care about continuity or experience and how something like trading a player might affect the locker room. It's all about the numbers.

True. But 1 its tough to say how much that stuff matters. And 2 that doesn't mean fantasy football can't lead to a whole wealth of football knowledge on players.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

True. But 1 its tough to say how much that stuff matters. And 2 that doesn't mean fantasy football can't lead to a whole wealth of football knowledge on players.

Only certain players. I live in an area where most people only care about college football. For many of them their only real knowledge of the NFL is via Fantasy Football. I would argue your pt about how much knowledge they gather via this method.

Fantasy football basically reveals nothing about the O-line nor most defensive players. It also only recognizes certain aspects of offensive players. It kind of reminds me of how so many folks here dismiss Garcon & only focus on his numbers being down - they completely ignore other aspects of his game like his blocking - that is the view of someone who learned football mainly via fantasy or Madden football.

I believe that the real answer is that Fantasy Football reveals some of the workings of football and the NFL (which is fine).

 

[ehb5]

Fantasy Football and Madden Franchise mode are two of the worst things to ever happen to the NFL, Vegas odds being the other.

As an avid madden player - yea it's pretty worthless lol. I can't imagine getting anything of detailed value on football from that.

But to say that about fantasy football is wildly inaccurate and I think that misunderstanding comes from most people not understanding how nuanced and in depth fantasy football and it's analysis are. I take it you aren't an fantasy forbade player which is fine but just trust me. There's a lot to be learned from playing fantasy football or at least reading the fantasy football analysis.

 

[gkekoa]

To what end? You'd just have to take that pick and draft his replacement who may not be as good.

People don't understand reality. I can show them that the average second rounder doesn't get a second contract and never is a full time starter and they still believe they can draft all pros in the fourth round consistently. Murphy has outplayed what you would expect to get from a third or fourth round pick.

 

[Sharkinva]

As an avid madden player - yea it's pretty worthless lol. I can't imagine getting anything of detailed value on football from that.

But to say that about fantasy football is wildly inaccurate and I think that misunderstanding comes from most people not understanding how nuanced and in depth fantasy football and it's analysis are. I take it you aren't an fantasy forbade player which is fine but just trust me. There's a lot to be learned from playing fantasy football or at least reading the fantasy football analysis.

I say its one of the worst things to happen to foot ball for these reasons

1. Madden Franchise mode..... allows any one to think, oh we can just cut this guy, add this guy and magically become Super Bowl favorites. Madden never takes into account actual team fit, scheme and such.. yes they have tried. But it gives guys like the average fan, or owners like Snyder unrealistic expectations of how the process actually works.

2. Fantasy football... when you are actually more concerned on how Dez Bryant did this week over how the Redskins as a team did because you have money tied to how DEZ did, it actually starts making guys in my opinion more a fan of players over teams. I stopped playing Fantasy when I realized it actually made my watching the games less enjoyable.

3. Vegas odds, same premise to a degree. But I find it repugnant that a fan of a team would place a bet, and hope for a win.. but only by X amount so as to hit on the spread.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

LOL Shark. I have seen your last two pts happen many a time. Someone will say something like "I really want the Redskins to beat the Giants but would also like to see Beckham score a few TDs to help my fantasy team" or "Sure - Redskins won but they didn't cover the spread". Well - the last one hasn't occurred too often in the last 10 years!

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Put all of these right up there w/ teams cranking up rock/rap songs between every freaking play & also many fans at the stadium checking Facebook 50+ times during a game.