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[wazzu31]

Our pitching? I think having a 5 man rotation that gives us a shot in every game is better than trying to build a 1-9 lineup and trying to score a bunch of points every game. The days of batters hitting .300+, 100RBIs+, 40-50 homers is over. This is a game of pitching, playing defense, and managing the base paths.

Just out of curiosity, how has that philosophy worked out for the Mariners or any team? I truly don’t know but when was the last time a team won the World Series who didn’t have a top 10 offense? Pitching wins championships but offense gets you to the playoffs.

 

[seattlefan75]

Just out of curiosity, how has that philosophy worked out for the Mariners or any team? I truly don’t know but when was the last time a team won the World Series who didn’t have a top 10 offense? Pitching wins championships but offense gets you to the playoffs.

I guess without double checking stats the 2015 Royals and 2014 Giants but to your credit their offenses were better than ours. I do disagree I would rather have a pitcher that is capable of a solid 6-7 inning outing then trying to out shoot and score points. You even said it pitching wins championships

 

[seattlefan75]

Except we don't have a solid 5 man rotation that gives us a shot every game to combat our hideous hitting. Castillo is not an automatic W and quite frankly has been meh, Miller has been up and down, Woo on the IL again, Hancock in the minors and hasn't proven he can stay in the majors. Kirby and Gilbert are our 2 solid pitchers out of 5 or 6 starters. Not very good for a so call contender.

To your second point the Yankees will probably have 2 players over 40 HRs with 100+ RBIs, Phillies will probably have 2 guys with 40 HRs with possible 3 guys 100+ RBIs, Dodgers will have Ohtani over 40 with 100+RBIs and Betts got hurt so probably won't reach those numbers, Astros have guys that can hit those numbers. The point is as you can see you don't need .300 hitters but hitters that can hit in clutch or actually make solid contact. Only guy on our team that can do that is Cal and JRod from time to time.

Look at out lineup and compare our guys to the Yankees lineup, Dodgers, Phillies, Baltimore's lineup and it'll give you a clear picture why they are real contenders.

Castillo is a fine pitcher who is having a solid season his strikeout to innings pitched ratio is good he just had a rough patch so far in June. Both Castillo and miller going through rough patches is still better than like 80% of the league. anytime your ERA is under 4. that is respectable. Ohtani has been dominate for how long with the Angels? and what did he win? Did the Yankees make the playoffs last season with that great lineup?

 

[seattlefan75]

First everybody says that we need a ton of wins to be contenders or make the playoffs. We are still holding to 1st place and now we need hundreds of RBIs and Homers to still be in 1st place and make the playoffs. So what I am going to do is write a letter to the Mariners and request that they go put together a team with an all star pitcher rotation, all star batting lineup, all star bullpen, all star closer, manager of the year and that will be our secret sauce to winning the world series.

 

[kcden]

First everybody says that we need a ton of wins to be contenders or make the playoffs. We are still holding to 1st place and now we need hundreds of RBIs and Homers to still be in 1st place and make the playoffs. So what I am going to do is write a letter to the Mariners and request that they go put together a team with an all star pitcher rotation, all star batting lineup, all star bullpen, all star closer, manager of the year and that will be our secret sauce to winning the world series.

This is such an asinine take. There is an enormous range of offensive possibilities between the worst offense in the league (our current O) and an "all star batting lineup". Instead of trying to pair up a decent offense with our solid rotation, the front office actively sold off offense in the offseason and has done nothing to try to improve it during the season, even as it has become obvious to everyone that our offense actually is fucking terrible (which was obvious to most M's fans during the offseason).

We also don't have an "all star pitcher rotation"... by ERA we have (1) top 10 (at #10), (1) top 40, (1) top 50 and (1) top 60.... that's basically (1) all-star in our rotation (but Kirby has a chance to make it because his other metrics are better)

 

[wazzu31]

I guess without double checking stats the 2015 Royals and 2014 Giants but to your credit their offenses were better than ours. I do disagree I would rather have a pitcher that is capable of a solid 6-7 inning outing then trying to out shoot and score points. You even said it pitching wins championships

But in the playoffs you basically have 6 pitchers and the Mariners still have the problem of the inept offense getting them to the playoffs. If the M’s could’ve fielded a top 12 offense in Jerry’s tenure then you and I wouldn’t ever be discussing him losing his job cause they would’ve made the playoffs what 5 times?

 

[wazzu31]

First everybody says that we need a ton of wins to be contenders or make the playoffs. We are still holding to 1st place and now we need hundreds of RBIs and Homers to still be in 1st place and make the playoffs. So what I am going to do is write a letter to the Mariners and request that they go put together a team with an all star pitcher rotation, all star batting lineup, all star bullpen, all star closer, manager of the year and that will be our secret sauce to winning the world series.

Now you are doing the same thing you have done before. No one has asked for the best lineup, the best bullpen or the best staff. We have asked just an average offense. With $140 million dollar budget there isn’t an excuse for not having one when you have two massively team friendly contracts with Castillo and JP and Gilbert, Kirby, Cal, Julio, Miller and Munoz all making peanuts

 

[WizardHawk]

First everybody says that we need a ton of wins to be contenders or make the playoffs. We are still holding to 1st place and now we need hundreds of RBIs and Homers to still be in 1st place and make the playoffs. So what I am going to do is write a letter to the Mariners and request that they go put together a team with an all star pitcher rotation, all star batting lineup, all star bullpen, all star closer, manager of the year and that will be our secret sauce to winning the world series.

No one has said they need an all-star lineup. It would help if they had at least one position player worthy of trying to vote for the all-star game. That's not in the same zip code as your blathering nonsense.

They don't have to lead the MLB in anything, they just can't keep being DEAD FUCKING LAST in offense. If they were say 10th they'd probably be unbeatable given their pitching. 16th might be enough to have a shot.

When we are telling you they are last in Avg (as of today they are 29th) and well ahead of every other team in the game in team strikeouts we aren't exaggerating. In order for you to have any attempt to counter it you have to flat out make up shit no one said and try to argue against it. If you had a valid argument you wouldn't have to resort to this bullshit.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Castillo is a fine pitcher who is having a solid season his strikeout to innings pitched ratio is good he just had a rough patch so far in June. Both Castillo and miller going through rough patches is still better than like 80% of the league. anytime your ERA is under 4. that is respectable. Ohtani has been dominate for how long with the Angels? and what did he win? Did the Yankees make the playoffs last season with that great lineup?

When we talk having a sub 4 era, I except 3.30 or better. Miller at 3.88 is meh and Castillo at 3.79 is disappointing and just barley under your respectable 4 era. Did you pull at 80% out of the air? Ohtani can't help the Angels FO are morons (Dippy) so he left and yes the Yankees missed the playoffs so they go and get Soto and probably added 1 or 2 more in FA and are 54-32. Please tell me what power bat or clutch hitter we added in the off-season to make our lineup better?

 

[NWinAZ]

When we talk having a sub 4 era, I except 3.30 or better. Miller at 3.88 is meh and Castillo at 3.79 is disappointing and just barley under your respectable 4 era. Did you pull at 80% out of the air? Ohtani can't help the Angels FO are morons (Dippy) so he left and yes the Yankees missed the playoffs so they go and get Soto and probably added 1 or 2 more in FA and are 54-32. Please tell me what power bat or clutch hitter we added in the off-season to make our lineup better?

With hitting at an almost all-time low, 3.79 era is disappointing. I total agree with that. Studs should be around what you said at 3.30 or better. I said last year and this year that Castillo is not an ACE. He is good, not great. Today wasn't his fault, but he is overpaid for a cheap team.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

With hitting at an almost all-time low, 3.79 era is disappointing. I total agree with that. Studs should be around what you said at 3.30 or better. I said last year and this year that Castillo is not an ACE. He is good, not great. Today wasn't his fault, but he is overpaid for a cheap team.

Castillo is a good #2 or #3 and agreed he isn't an ACE.

 

[NWinAZ]

Castillo is a good #2 or #3 and agreed he isn't an ACE.

I tend to think a #3, but could be talked into a #2 on certain days.

 

[wazzu31]

Well looks like I was wrong. I thought first place by default but 2nd place is almost a guarantee unless the SP’s throw no hitters

 

[AceKeptic]

3rd is looking more and more realistic...

But one thing's for sure, we're not gonna have anyone at the ASG unless they buy tickets to watch.

 

[MarinersBestFan]

3rd is looking more and more realistic...

But one thing's for sure, we're not gonna have anyone at the ASG unless they buy tickets to watch.

MLB is in love with the token participation Trophy of each team gets an honorary free pick.

just so one of at least every team is in the dugout, regardless of whether the player truly deserved to be there or not.

 

[WizardHawk]

I'm sure Gilbert will be their only rep.

I had 2nd place picked on this and it's a pretty safe bet at this point.

They will be 10 games back by Sept at the rate they are going.

Yet another year of wasting a decent pitching staff as we watch the lineup get worse each season.

 

[PolarVortex]

That 10-game lead was a mirage. An accident. We were never intended to have it. We caught a group of shitty teams on our schedule at a time when Houston and Texas were experiencing low periods. But reality has come home. They will hold on to second place at the All Star break, but first place? I highly doubt it.
Houston has one more game in Toronto, 3 in Minny, an off day, and then 3 vs Mia and 3 vs Texas. Minnesota just lost Royce Lewis again. Convenient for Houston. I think Houston goes 8-2 the rest of the way.
Seattle has one more vs Baltimore, 3 vs Toronto, an off day, 2 at San Diego and 4 at LAA. I think Seattle goes 5-5. That would give Houston a one-game lead going into the AS break.
Texas has 1 more vs San Diego, 3 vs Tampa. 3 @ LAA, an off day, and 3 @ Houston. I think they go 6-4.

 

[wazzu31]

I'm sure Gilbert will be their only rep.

I had 2nd place picked on this and it's a pretty safe bet at this point.

They will be 10 games back by Sept at the rate they are going.

Yet another year of wasting a decent pitching staff as we watch the lineup get worse each season.

So if they are tied for first do I get credit for the tiebreaker that the M’s own?

 

[NWinAZ]

Well 6 liars put 1st...lol. But man it sure doesn't feel like there are any winners on this.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

M’s make no significant changes it’s a wrap … This offense is boring as we knew it would be when Dipoto dismantled any hope in the offseason … If the M’s don’t attempt some change before the deadline they gave up on the fans… We’ve seen that story before ..