What kind of team are we ,really ?

[Sharkinva]

Is there such a thing as kinda rigged or a little rigged? Rigged is rigged and if it was ever discovered that the NFL was rigging its own product. That would be a disaster I'm not sure the NFL or any sports league would be able to overcome.

One of the most popular "sports" in this country is 100% rigged.

 

[Breed]

One of the most popular "sports" in this country is 100% rigged.

Heh. Is wrestling a sport or a soap opera? I opt for soap opera. A soap opera with huge men and a few women doing amazing things of a physical nature, but a soap opera nonetheless.

 

[Sharkinva]

Heh. Is wrestling a sport or a soap opera? I opt for soap opera. A soap opera with huge men and a few women doing amazing things of a physical nature, but a soap opera nonetheless.

I know some folks here in Florida that would fight you for saying Wrasslin aint a sport. LOL

 

[Breed]

I know some folks here in Florida that would fight you for saying Wrasslin aint a sport. LOL

As long as the script doesn't call for who will win or lose.....like it does in wrestling. I'm ready to tussle.

 

[Sharkinva]

As long as the script doesn't call for who will win or lose.....like it does in wrestling. I'm ready to tussle.

See where i think the NFL is a bit rigged is where certain players are targeted by the Refs. And certain teams and players can get away with shit that others will be flagged for in a heart beat. We lost $36 MIllion in cap space for breaking a rule that didnt exist at the time. NE has gotten away with taping other teams practices, signals and deflating balls.. blatant cheating. And the most it cost them was a 6th rounder and Tom Terrific suspended for four games.

Out right rigged.. no. But there are the haves and have nots in the NFL.

 

[Stymietee]

Is there such a thing as kinda rigged or a little rigged? Rigged is rigged and if it was ever discovered that the NFL was rigging its own product. That would be a disaster I'm not sure the NFL or any sports league would be able to overcome.

I remember a few years back, there being an NFL referee who got fired for gambling debts or some shady off field shit. In fact, I don't believe that NFL rigging hasn't already been a thing. Here's what I mean:

I just looked it up and it's estimated that there's somewhere between $80 and $100 Billion (yes that's a B) bet on NFL games now most of that illegally. The NFL challenged sites like Fan Duel in NY but to me that was part of the okey doke. Think about this:

1. While selling ticket sells racks in heaps of corporate money and TV money is probably at an all time high, you have to ask why such intense TV viewership?.......Might I suggest that the estimated $80 to $100 Billion spent on gambling have something to do with it? I'm convinced that those sold seats and TV ratings are that way primarily because there's money in the game and that intensifies interest.

2. Why are injury reports revealed before games? Who benefits from such reports? Certainly not the casual viewer!! What about point spreads? The NFL certainly don't sue newspapers and legalized gambling houses from publishing this information. Again you'd have to ask, who benefits from this information?

3. Finally, as we speak, there's absolutely no honest way to govern off the field gambling by players, coaches, FO personnel and the like. Think this is going to get better after the NFL by a 31-1 vote approved the Raiders move to Las Vegas?

Now, it could all be a part of the well earned skeptic in me, or maybe I'm just the type who sees smoke when the house is actually on fire, but on this one, if there's absolutely NO connection between these things and rigging, then I'll be the first to believe that, an 11 foot wall, can't be scaled using a 12 foot ladder. (sorry I couldn't resist)

 

[skinz2winz]

I will give you the game one thing. I'M STILL pissed about week one 2016 as i got to watch that on a 70 foot screen at the start of my vacation... not a good way to start it out.

As for the bye week, I think the team was prepared for everything but the rash of injuries we had both before the bye, and during this weeks game. Add in a desperate niners team, and we did get a tad lucky winning yesterday. At some point Gruden will get them ready for week one I would hope. But I think having the Niners play us down to the wire is actually better for this team right now than blowing out a struggling team. Because I doubt any one is feeling themselves at the moment in Ashburn. And while I suspected we would shit the bed on this one, I think we come out ready to stomp a mud hole in the eagles next week... which we need.

Now your talking Shark!

 

[PhillyGreen]

Here are some thoughts from a hated Eagles fan

I think the Skins are still trying to find their identity. They are a hell of a lot better than I gave them credit for. Before the season started I completely wrote them off and said they had no shot at the division or the playoffs. Well I was wrong on both accounts.

This season is wierd when you look at everything that is going on with all of the NFL teams. At times the Redskins look like legit SB contenders and then then the next week not so much. They are an up and down team. Hot one day, warm the next and then hot again. That is probably because a lot of changes have been made.

I think they are a very dangerous team and scare the crap out of me.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

I remember a few years back, there being an NFL referee who got fired for gambling debts or some shady off field shit. In fact, I don't believe that NFL rigging hasn't already been a thing. Here's what I mean:

I just looked it up and it's estimated that there's somewhere between $80 and $100 Billion (yes that's a B) bet on NFL games now most of that illegally. The NFL challenged sites like Fan Duel in NY but to me that was part of the okey doke. Think about this:

1. While selling ticket sells racks in heaps of corporate money and TV money is probably at an all time high, you have to ask why such intense TV viewership?.......Might I suggest that the estimated $80 to $100 Billion spent on gambling have something to do with it? I'm convinced that those sold seats and TV ratings are that way primarily because there's money in the game and that intensifies interest.

2. Why are injury reports revealed before games? Who benefits from such reports? Certainly not the casual viewer!! What about point spreads? The NFL certainly don't sue newspapers and legalized gambling houses from publishing this information. Again you'd have to ask, who benefits from this information?

3. Finally, as we speak, there's absolutely no honest way to govern off the field gambling by players, coaches, FO personnel and the like. Think this is going to get better after the NFL by a 31-1 vote approved the Raiders move to Las Vegas?

Now, it could all be a part of the well earned skeptic in me, or maybe I'm just the type who sees smoke when the house is actually on fire, but on this one, if there's absolutely NO connection between these things and rigging, then I'll be the first to believe that, an 11 foot wall, can't be scaled using a 12 foot ladder. (sorry I couldn't resist)

Remember the gamblers you refer to in pts. 1 & 2 also include fantasy players (to a huge degree). Many fantasy players play due to some type of monetary reward either weekly or at the end of the season. I personally know & have witnessed tons of people who really don't care about the NFL or a given team & only really watch because of their fantasy team. This is especially true in an area like the Deep South where college football rules.

There is a potential $10B+ annual industry if they were to ever legalize sports betting nationally (like they already do in Europe). Your concern w/ pt 3 is really not a concern in this era. If a player/ref/coach/etc wanted to fix a game they don't need to live in Nevada & the Raiders will be heavily scrutinized & pretty stupid if they went this route after moving to that area.

There was a recent article about the new Vegas hockey team (Knights) & they maintain that there is been minimal significant extra betting on this team - just some random curious, smaller bets by visiting fans. I really don't think that this is an issue moving fwd (if it were I really don't see how they would be hosting 2 pro teams within the next few years).

 

[Stymietee]

Remember the gamblers you refer to in pts. 1 & 2 also include fantasy players (to a huge degree). Many fantasy players play due to some type of monetary reward either weekly or at the end of the season. I personally know & have witnessed tons of people who really don't care about the NFL or a given team & only really watch because of their fantasy team. This is especially true in an area like the Deep South where college football rules.

There is a potential $10B+ annual industry if they were to ever legalize sports betting nationally (like they already do in Europe). Your concern w/ pt 3 is really not a concern in this era. If a player/ref/coach/etc wanted to fix a game they don't need to live in Nevada & the Raiders will be heavily scrutinized & pretty stupid if they went this route after moving to that area.

There was a recent article about the new Vegas hockey team (Knights) & they maintain that there is been minimal significant extra betting on this team - just some random curious, smaller bets by visiting fans. I really don't think that this is an issue moving fwd (if it were I really don't see how they would be hosting 2 pro teams within the next few years).

Sorry, I was not clear enough on point 3. What I wanted to write related to gambling and gambling debts incurred by visiting team members and their families during and after the season. I am convinced that this is going to be a huge concern if for no other reason, that's primarily what folks do when they go to Vegas. (I know that there are other things to do) Identifying and monitorig These debts opens up a whole new way to change the outcome of games.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Sorry, I was not clear enough on point 3. What I wanted to write related to gambling and gambling debts incurred by visiting team members and their families during and after the season. I am convinced that this is going to be a huge concern if for no other reason, that's primarily what folks do when they go to Vegas. (I know that there are other things to do) Identifying and monitorig These debts opens up a whole new way to change the outcome of games.

I understand your concern but don't see it as an issue. Again - if players wanted to go this route they could do it rt now or without any teams in Vegas. They could even do it legally by contacting someone they know in the state of Nevada. Actually that would be much safer than a player (or their friends/family) making a bet on a game where they were involved that is played in Vegas. Pretty safe to say that the NFL & NHL will keep tabs on these guys for any unusual betting activity (& remember in the social media age lots of people would love to out anyone like this). Also remember that at least NFL players are banned from betting on games at sports books.

No way players are going to be placing NFL bets during their visit prior to a game (possibly not even allowed in sports book & their time before games is very limited). Their family or friends doing this during that time will also raise eyebrows & again lots of folks around who would love to start some type of issue & everyone has a camera. I think that this would have been a legit issue say 20 years ago but not really now - one of the reasons why you are seeing pro teams now show up in Vegas.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

BTW - if someone had an issue w/ gambling it doesn't have to involve Vegas or the state of Nevada. There are casinos everywhere as well as numerous online opportunities & illegal outlets. If a player (or family member) had some gambling related issue they could be pressured into some type of illicit pressure rt now in many NFL cities. Again - I think that this type of pressure coming from someone in Vegas may be harder to apply since NFL security will be watching this closely (& also since the overwhelming majority of NFL players would have no part of this). This is the type of thing that happens in movies - not in real life in 2017.

 

[Breed]

Here are some thoughts from a hated Eagles fan

I think the Skins are still trying to find their identity. They are a hell of a lot better than I gave them credit for. Before the season started I completely wrote them off and said they had no shot at the division or the playoffs. Well I was wrong on both accounts.

This season is wierd when you look at everything that is going on with all of the NFL teams. At times the Redskins look like legit SB contenders and then then the next week not so much. They are an up and down team. Hot one day, warm the next and then hot again. That is probably because a lot of changes have been made.

I think they are a very dangerous team and scare the crap out of me.

The Skins have 2 issues they need to solve. If they can solve them. I like our chances to make the playoffs, possibly as NFC East champs where we may make a little noise in the postseason for a change. Not win a Super Bowl or anything, but winning our 1st postseason game since 2005 will be doable.

If we don't solve the issues. We'll be the same type of team we were last year. Up, down and in the end, on the outside looking in.

We're currently 24th in RZ touchdown scoring in the NFL. For whatever reason I thought I saw something in the KC game that was pointing to the issue getting solved. Against the 9ers we went 3/4 in the RZ. Monday's game will be a good test for us. We were 0-2 with a killer INT against you guys in the RZ in week 1. Personally I think that's where we lost the games to you guys at. As well as our other issue which is the defense getting off the field on 3rd dn.

At present we're 13th in the NFL allowing 3rd dn conv 40% of the time or 27 times in 67 attempts. That's misleading though as 2 games account for 6 conv in 28 attempts. The 9ers who were 6/17 and the Raiders who were 0/11. Making the Eagles, Rams and Chiefs 21/39 in 3rd dn conv against the Skins.

If we get a handle on those two issues. I like our chances of making the playoffs this year.

 

[Stymietee]

I understand your concern but don't see it as an issue. Again - if players wanted to go this route they could do it rt now or without any teams in Vegas. They could even do it legally by contacting someone they know in the state of Nevada. Actually that would be much safer than a player (or their friends/family) making a bet on a game where they were involved that is played in Vegas. Pretty safe to say that the NFL & NHL will keep tabs on these guys for any unusual betting activity (& remember in the social media age lots of people would love to out anyone like this). Also remember that at least NFL players are banned from betting on games at sports books.

No way players are going to be placing NFL bets during their visit prior to a game (possibly not even allowed in sports book & their time before games is very limited). Their family or friends doing this during that time will also raise eyebrows & again lots of folks around who would love to start some type of issue & everyone has a camera. I think that this would have been a legit issue say 20 years ago but not really now - one of the reasons why you are seeing pro teams now show up in Vegas.

No kidding!! people could actually bet on gambling now? who knew? To me people are people and there's no difference between a visiting player or his family doing what people do in Vegas than any other person. In fact, you seem to be implying that Pete Rose or the BU gambling scandal were aberrations, well, they weren't then and they aren't now. Current players are active on social media and in FF. Hell, the NFL network, FS, and ESPN have entire shows dedicated to fantasy Football. It is a stretch to even entertain the idea that current professionals aren't involved in this in some manner.

Thinking that sports related gambling is the only form of gambling that takes place in Vegas or anywhere else in the world is ludicrous. My point is, (rhetorical) if the NFL is so concerned about "fixing" games ( the original point that I responded to) why open that door at all? Ans: they are either already aware, and in on it, or don't care because they are already in on it. Sure, they will put up a great public face against it, maybe even openly flog a person or two It's already a multi-billion dollar industry, and those self serving, greedy little bastards, would rather eat their own shit before they let that type of money, especially monies related to their product, bypass them.

 

[Stymietee]

BTW - if someone had an issue w/ gambling it doesn't have to involve Vegas or the state of Nevada. There are casinos everywhere as well as numerous online opportunities & illegal outlets. If a player (or family member) had some gambling related issue they could be pressured into some type of illicit pressure rt now in many NFL cities. Again - I think that this type of pressure coming from someone in Vegas may be harder to apply since NFL security will be watching this closely (& also since the overwhelming majority of NFL players would have no part of this). This is the type of thing that happens in movies - not in real life in 2017.

C'mon now it's bigger than gambling and you know it!! The NFL, as it is currently doing with the whole "Kneeling" thing has gone and continues to go to great lengths to protect the shield and an image that it is in any way anything other than pristine. In fact, an extremely cursory search engine check and a person might find this......

The most prominent issue was the perceived problem of legal sports betting. Traditionally, all four major professional sports leagues had strong anti-gambling policies, prohibiting their personnel from having any involvement in gambling. The NFL has taken the toughest stance, even refusing to accept Las Vegas tourism advertising for Super Bowl telecasts[5] and threatening to file suit against any local hotels holding Super Bowl parties.[6] In recent years hotels have gotten around the legal threat by referring to the Super Bowl as "The Big Game" rather than its actual name in advertising.[6] However, in recent years, the perceptions that the four major professional sports leagues have of Las Vegas has changed. NBA Commissioner Adam Silver said he was in favor of regulated, legalized sports gambling, and the Oakland Raiders showed interest in moving to the city. The NHL became the first of the four professional sports leagues to land in Vegas, with an expansion team set to begin play in October 2017.

Well "real life" in 2017 asks the question (see highlighted, underlined) Why? What changed that people won't still have that perception? Is it possible that they figured out a way to get their cut?....AND/OR.....maybe they are good readers of tea leaves and statistics relating to the way the public sees gambling.


SN: Ever hear the saying that goes......."Art imitates life?" Well, there's a reason why you see stuff like this in movies.

 

[Sportster 72]

LOL, wasn't this thread about "what kind of team are we?"

 

[Sharkinva]

LOL, wasn't this thread about "what kind of team are we?"

So back to the topic. We are a team Vegas loves. Because any given week you have no idea what you will get, thus lines tend to be loose and those inclined to drop coin will do so with reckless abandon.

And as I mentioned in another thread.. I like reckless abandon.... well except where my money is concerned. I never bet money on our team. Because.. we are a team that is still unpredictable as all fuck out. And that is what type of team we are.


Now fess up you love the way I tied that all together.

 

[Stymietee]

LOL, wasn't this thread about "what kind of team are we?"

LOL......Sorry about that.

However I do have a question for our Mod's (what follows is strictly a smart assed response. The opinion expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of Sportshoopla, its' management team, or affiliates)

When the topic is "what kind of team are we really?" does that limit us to strictly on the field stuff or can we talk about the lives behind the numbers? If so can we remove ALL talk of that manner to the "Off topic lounge?"

 

[Rowdy]

Right now we are an injured team that has some fight and we'll need a lot of it Monday night. Kirks going to have to carry the offense

 

[Breed]

Right now we are an injured team that has some fight and we'll need a lot of it Monday night. Kirks going to have to carry the offense

Carry it how? As in 45 - 50 passes for the game?