What Everyone Seems To Be Missing

[cincygrad]

No, you seem to be illogical in your thought process. I understand completely what you are saying about being a passing team.....however.....as a passing team, it sure would be nice to have a qb that can actually....you know......pass. This offense suffers with Andy at qb and something has to be done to cover that. The Bengals have shown they can run the ball when they commit to it and it can definitely be improved upon. If you believe there is simply nothing can be done to help the run game, what is your suggestion on what the offense does? Cross our fingers and hope Andy gets better?

Nobody is arguing Andy's issues. And nobody is arguing that it would be easy to replace him. It's not happening.

That said, simply reinventing the offense as a run-based offense will be difficult with the other pieces we have. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand or believe.

Which games have we shown the ability to run the ball when we commit to it? Yes we did it late against San Diego the fist time and yes we had a big day against Indy's suspect D. I didn't see much evidence for the running attack the rest of the year and PFF number suggest we weren't good at it.

Remember what our offense looked like last time we were a top 10 rushing attack? It was 2009.

The point is that we need to continue to use the assets that the offense has..... Good receivers, pass catching tight ends and an explosive running back. If Hue can hide Andy's liabilities better than Jay, he'll be doing his job. If he simply runs the ball into the line over and over again, he will not be doing his job.

 

[Servo]

No, you seem to be illogical in your thought process. I understand completely what you are saying about being a passing team.....however.....as a passing team, it sure would be nice to have a qb that can actually....you know......pass. This offense suffers with Andy at qb and something has to be done to cover that. The Bengals have shown they can run the ball when they commit to it and it can definitely be improved upon. If you believe there is simply nothing can be done to help the run game, what is your suggestion on what the offense does? Cross our fingers and hope Andy gets better?

Since Dalton will be the QB in 2014 you have to accept him for what he is and try to put him in the best position to succeed. I'm no Dalton fan, but he is an adequate QB on a stacked team which means he should produce. Our talent on the O-line and at the skill positions can mask his lack of talent. If you're trying to assert yourself as a running team you will become predictable and easy to defend. You have to throw the ball. Not saying it needs to be 80/20 pass/run but probably more like a 60/40 split. If they play to protect Dalton they're not going to win anything anyway...so ask him to do his job and distribute the ball to the his skill guys behind his top notch pass blocking line. Doesn't mean that you call deep outs on every down but a passing game predicated on short and intermediate routes with a decent amount of runs mixed in. Use your big, athletic TE's more in the middle of the field.

 

[bengaldoug]

No, you seem to be illogical in your thought process. I understand completely what you are saying about being a passing team.....however.....as a passing team, it sure would be nice to have a qb that can actually....you know......pass. This offense suffers with Andy at qb and something has to be done to cover that. The Bengals have shown they can run the ball when they commit to it and it can definitely be improved upon. If you believe there is simply nothing can be done to help the run game, what is your suggestion on what the offense does? Cross our fingers and hope Andy gets better?

Apparently you misunderstood. In pointing out the shortcomings of our oline as run blockers, I'm in no way suggesting that Dalton should be airing it out 40-50 times per game. I was simply pointing out that becoming a strong running team is not as simple as saying we're going to do it. I also pointed out positions that needed an upgrade before changing our offensive focus completely. If Gresham and Eifert don't improve setting the edge, and if Cook isn't replaced, we have little chance to become a dominant running team. We need balance but we also need to understand it's easier said than done.

 

[cincygrad]

 

[jwil007]

The Eagles were 5th in rushing in 2010, 5th in rushing in 2011, 13th in rushing in 2012 and first this past year.

They didn't go from the bottom of the barrel to one of the best rushing teams overnight.

My point remains -- You need the personnel to be successful. Coaching isn't everything.

BTW -- In Hue's one season with the Falcons, his team was 26th in rushing. Not his fault -- They didn't have the talent, but again it shows that you have to have the personnel.

BUT WE HAVE THE TALENT DUDE! You aint gonna convince me we dont...We can agree to disagree...WE add a piece in the middle of the line and coach better we will be fine! NO OFFENSIVE players came out and endorsed Gruden when he left like players did Zimmer....The offense will play BETTER and HARDER for Hue GUARANTEED!

 

[jwil007]

lol, won't be that bad.
look for GB to be RDMC2.0

Yo Grad you so confident the shit aint gonna work ...lets place some bets on run performance for 2014....DEAL??? Since you are already saying the offense will suck we cant run the ball we wont pass and will waste receiving talent and yada yada yada....Seems GB has 1000 receivers and what are they doing...RUNNING THE BALL and still throwing the ball so whats your point??????


Put ya money up if you dont believe it...LOL and dont respond all pissy and bitchy...Make a prediction stick to it and lets see where we end up at end of 2014.

My prediction?????

Top 10 offense
Top 12 in run offemse
PLayoff Appearance
Playoff Win

Im riding with that....What are you riding with?????

Now the flip side could be we dont make the playoffs and Marv and Dalton are sent packing....i understand and are well aware that could happen...But the 1st option is what Im hoping for....

 

[jwil007]

Nobody is arguing Andy's issues. And nobody is arguing that it would be easy to replace him. It's not happening.

That said, simply reinventing the offense as a run-based offense will be difficult with the other pieces we have. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand or believe.

Which games have we shown the ability to run the ball when we commit to it? Yes we did it late against San Diego the fist time and yes we had a big day against Indy's suspect D. I didn't see much evidence for the running attack the rest of the year and PFF number suggest we weren't good at it.

Remember what our offense looked like last time we were a top 10 rushing attack? It was 2009.

The point is that we need to continue to use the assets that the offense has..... Good receivers, pass catching tight ends and an explosive running back. If Hue can hide Andy's liabilities better than Jay, he'll be doing his job. If he simply runs the ball into the line over and over again, he will not be doing his job.

Its ludicrous for you to think this is what he will do...Go back and watch Palmer..he was tossing the ball all over the field with Oakland....Plus you are comparing 2009 with 2014 and MANY of the players we have now were not on the team then...CJ, TO, Dude come on.......

Jackson has the most ELECTRIC offense he has probably ever had and I will take EXPERIENCED football minds that speak glowingly of his intelligence with offense WHEN HE HAS GOOD WEAPONS TO EXECUTE!

 

[jwil007]

I look forward to:

First down -- 2 yard BJGE into middle of pile

Second down --2 yard BJGE into middle of pile

Third down -- Short out incomplete to AJ Green.

Every Bengal Fan: "We need to open it up."

post ya prediction dude....since you are being so pessimistic.... Wasnt sayin this about Gruden but shitting on Hue bad cause he runs more...fuckin unbelievable....LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[cincygrad]

Yo Grad you so confident the shit aint gonna work ...lets place some bets on run performance for 2014....DEAL??? Since you are already saying the offense will suck we cant run the ball we wont pass and will waste receiving talent and yada yada yada....Seems GB has 1000 receivers and what are they doing...RUNNING THE BALL and still throwing the ball so whats your point??????


Put ya money up if you dont believe it...LOL and dont respond all pissy and bitchy...Make a prediction stick to it and lets see where we end up at end of 2014.

My prediction?????

Top 10 offense
Top 12 in run offemse
PLayoff Appearance
Playoff Win

Im riding with that....What are you riding with?????

Now the flip side could be we dont make the playoffs and Marv and Dalton are sent packing....i understand and are well aware that could happen...But the 1st option is what Im hoping for....

Settle down -- There is not a single post where I said the offense would suck. We were a top 10 offense in 2013 and there is no reason why we wouldn't be in 2014.

I have no idea why you are talking about Green Bay's rushing attack. Until this season, they've generally been in the 18-30 range in running the ball. Rogers was hurt this season and their running numbers went up.... But it didn't help their offense. It wasn't as good overall.

My point was that we are going to pass the ball and it was silly to think we'd automatically become a top 10 running team. I never said I expected us to suck on offense.