Well Gents...

[randymon]

Looks like it`s going to be a race to the finish line in the AFC West. The way the Broncs are playing ( not so good), the Chiefs ( good) and the Chargers ( who always seem to bring it toward the end), this div won`t be decided till last wknd. I`am real disappointed in the offense. I don`t care who`s calling the plays. Whether it`s Gase or Manning and his audibles, it`s got to stop. CJ nine carries. Your shitting me. Of those nine carries, there were on avg 8 pass plays in between them. No rb can get in a rythem like that and to abandoned the running game like that is plain rediculous. It doesn`t matter if you have a couple 3 and outs, you need to keep pounding and eventually the D line will tire and that also opens up the play action more. Denver for some god knows reason, wants to stay one dimentional and like others have stated in recent posts, throw the dink and dunk and get your wrs killed!!. IMO Denver will not even get to a SB let alone win it untill Fox and Del Rio are replaced. Denver needs a head coach who can strike fear, motivate and earn player respect. Del Rio doesn`t lack all those but I think don`t think he`s got a very good D mindset. Elway needs to see that he has the talent on his team but he needs to find some help in bringing out the passion and fire and fear in those guys to give it their all each and every game. Sure, there will be games when teams are just flat or unfocused, but not on a consistant basis like Denver is playing. Somebody,anybody get that team focused and tougher before it`s too late. I wouldn`t mind seeing Manning benched just to show that whole offense their not as good as they think they are. Might just shake up those egos. Good luck getting to playoffs Denver untill you grow some balls.

 

[Duffman]

I don't know why we don't blitz anymore, it's frustrating watching a pass rush of the D-Line plus Miller every play when it's clear that's not working. The times this year where the Defense has really impressed me is when we mix things with some safety and corner blitz's as well as stunts and all out blitz's. I'm not saying blitz 8 people every play but at least try and do something to get pressure.

 

[MrDoc420]

Just a sad ass performance yesterday. It's become pretty simple.....when we can't run the ball (granted, only 10 friggin' attempts!!), we can't win. Peyton throwing 50+ times spells doom for us.

Can somebody post the injury updates as soon as they hear? JT, Sanders etc....

 

[TDs3nOut]

Whether it`s Gase or Manning and his audibles, it`s got to stop. CJ nine carries. Your shitting me. Of those nine carries, there were on avg 8 pass plays in between them. No rb can get in a rythem like that and to abandoned the running game like that is plain rediculous. It doesn`t matter if you have a couple 3 and outs, you need to keep pounding and eventually the D line will tire and that also opens up the play action more.

That speaks to what I have found most disappointing the past 2+ years. Simply not enough commitment to running the ball.

Seems to me that the coaching staff should have understood heading into training camp that there will be important games in which running the ball is essential to winning.

Read a lot about how our primary aim in the offseason was to become a "more physical team". Isn't commitment to running the ball a big part of being a physical team?

 

[randymon]

That speaks to what I have found most disappointing the past 2+ years. Simply not enough commitment to running the ball.

Seems to me that the coaching staff should have understood heading into training camp that there will be important games in which running the ball is essential to winning.

Read a lot about how our primary aim in the offseason was to become a "more physical team". Isn't commitment to running the ball a big part of being a physical team?

Exactly TD. That`s why I`am putting the blame on the coaching and like you said,failure to commit . You come into season with all this talk of doing just that and here we are once again "1 dimensional". And please, don`t anybody come on here and say were not built that way. Tired of hearing that remark. Just look at NE last nite. Everybody and their brother was saying earlier how NE is doomed because that can`t run the ball, their wrs are young,Brady is declining, bla,bla,bla. Look what coaching and commitment can do for you . Belicheck and co. knew what they needed to do to be successful and compete for a SB and they stuck with it. What did little known Jonus Gray do last nite? Oh, just something close to 200yds and 4 tds I believe. That`s what commitment does for you. I guess some people believe when O- linemen come to Denver they lose their ability to run block somehow with the "were not built that way" crap. Time to man up and get physical Denver and if the coaches can`t figure that out then time for some people to hit the road.

 

[Broncos6482]

To me it appears that the big issue is the offensive line. They just aren't getting it done, period. I was at the game yesterday and sat in the end zone, and it's apparent that the line just isn't opening any holes. So the Rams didn't have to respect the run, which allowed them to really get after Manning.

The shuffling of the line has been a disaster. I think the Broncos made a bad decision moving Franklin to guard. Yes, he had a bad Super Bowl, but he'd been a pretty good right tackle up to that point, and I don't think you should judge a guy based solely on his worst game. Now he's struggling at guard, and the right tackle spot is a mess. Vasquez is an all-pro at right guard, but he's only average at right tackle.

I doubt this would happen, but I think the best course the Broncos could take would be to put Ramirez back at center, Vasquez back at rg, Franklin back at left tackle, and bring in Incognito to play left guard.

 

[TDs3nOut]

To me it appears that the big issue is the offensive line. They just aren't getting it done, period. I was at the game yesterday and sat in the end zone, and it's apparent that the line just isn't opening any holes. So the Rams didn't have to respect the run, which allowed them to really get after Manning.

The shuffling of the line has been a disaster. I think the Broncos made a bad decision moving Franklin to guard. Yes, he had a bad Super Bowl, but he'd been a pretty good right tackle up to that point, and I don't think you should judge a guy based solely on his worst game. Now he's struggling at guard, and the right tackle spot is a mess. Vasquez is an all-pro at right guard, but he's only average at right tackle.

I doubt this would happen, but I think the best course the Broncos could take would be to put Ramirez back at center, Vasquez back at rg, Franklin back at left tackle, and bring in Incognito to play left guard.

Right tackle?

Definitely need to do something with the o-line. Might include getting a TE who is good at blocking.

 

[Broncosr0k]

There was so much bad with that game it is hard to dissect. I doubt we will ever run the ball. Gase/Manning just don't want to.

I am hoping that injuries to our receivers are not major. I want Sanders and J Thomas back and I think Welker needs to sit. He has been quiet all season.

 

[Broncos6482]

Right tackle?

Definitely need to do something with the o-line. Might include getting a TE who is good at blocking.

Yes, should say right tackle. My bad.

 

[MileHigh64]

It's been excruciating for me to read about yesterday's game this morning. That was mega painful to watch and I certainly wish that I didn't need to continue to remember how awful that was.

We've lost 2 out of our last 3 games and the team has looked incredibly out of sorts. I know that most of you have already talked a lot about our offensive line issues and I agree. It would seem that we'd be better off going with the lineup we used last year (minus Beadles).

What has happened to our defense? Unacceptable the amount of missed tackles and mental errors yesterday, not to mention our lack of pass rush. I'm with most of you and think that Jack Del Rio better start firing up some blitzing schemes or something to get this unit out of their funk.

Penalties? Where is our discipline??!!

Lastly, I know that he's been under assault in the last few weeks but even when he's not been, Peyton just doesn't look good in general. Now I know that we've been spoiled by his unbelievable play in the last few years but he seems to have a lot of passes falling short or sailing high on him. I guess it might just be the pressure he's under but his world-renowned accuracy just hasn't been there the last few games.

We've got six games left. At home against the Dolphins, Bills and Raiders. On the road at San Diego, Kansas City and Cincinnati. The way that the Broncos have been playing the last 3 weeks has me nervous about every single one of these games. I haven't felt that way about this team in quite some time. Bummer.

MH64

 

[Broncosr0k]

Lastly, I know that he's been under assault in the last few weeks but even when he's not been, Peyton just doesn't look good in general. Now I know that we've been spoiled by his unbelievable play in the last few years but he seems to have a lot of passes falling short or sailing high on him. I guess it might just be the pressure he's under but his world-renowned accuracy just hasn't been there the last few games.

There would be less pressure if Manning/Gase would call a run play. 9 attempts is pathetic. I would still take 1 and 2 yards runs because that still forces the D to think run is an option.

 

[MileHigh64]

There would be less pressure if Manning/Gase would call a run play. 9 attempts is pathetic. I would still take 1 and 2 yards runs because that still forces the D to think run is an option.

I completely agree with you but I'm also concerned about his inaccuracy when he's not under any kind of pressure and has a wide open receiver. Specifically in the last several weeks, he's had running backs coming out of the back field that were wide open and his passes fell short by a few feet. It just seems to me that his accuracy has slipped. Maybe it's just a result of the pressure he's getting the rest of the game.

 

[MrDoc420]

I completely agree with you but I'm also concerned about his inaccuracy when he's not under any kind of pressure and has a wide open receiver. Specifically in the last several weeks, he's had running backs coming out of the back field that were wide open and his passes fell short by a few feet. It just seems to me that his accuracy has slipped. Maybe it's just a result of the pressure he's getting the rest of the game.

Exactly right. Overall, he's been really inaccurate the past 3 games, but on several occasions, he's had wide open receivers or backs, and flat out missed them. A couple would've led to huge plays, and at least one would've been a TD (that was against OAK and we won anyways, but whatever)....

He gets anybody near him lately and he's freaking and making poor decisions.

 

[randymon]

Great read from Kisla with Denver Post regarding Fox. Must read. It hits home with many Bronco fans for sure.

 

[Malibu]

Man I don't know where to start. I think Denver is capable of running the ball but they don't even attempt to. With out play action Manning is an average QB because teams are just rushing the passer and Manning cant move at all period. He is then a sitting duck. The switching of the o line has completely failed. Maybe moving everyone where they originally were may help. As for Manning. He has to stop throwing into double coverage and some of his deep balls are just pathetic. If he had any zip on that deep ball to Sanders he wouldn't have gotten laid out. Manning had guys open short but yet feels the need to throw it deep. Please quit throwing to Tamme. Its funny when he has J.Thomas in the game he doesn't seem to throw his way enough(in my opinion) but when Tamme is out there hell force it to him. Wes welker is done. Sorry to say but he doesnt help the Broncos to much at all and will be gone after this year. No need to sign him back. Yes I know Denver had a few sacks late but this frontt 4 has not lived up to the hype at all. Please J.D.R. I dont want to see Von Miller in coverage on passing downs. It doesnt fool anyone. Ive seen on another post some of you are finally agreeing with me that J.D.R.'s time may be coming to an end or should come to an end. Been saying this for a few years as well. This team is soft as well. When something goes wrong the fold like a cheap tent. As for Talib he just looks slow at times out there this year. Yes I know he isn't the fastest guy at CB but expected more. I don't like to make excuses but no Trevathon and Irving has caught up to the defense as well. Tre Mason really? If Montee Ball cant stay healthy then he is nothing more then a waste of a roster spot. Please John Fox show some emotion. I know that's not how you roll but some players and other coaches need there asses chewed out. If the Broncos lose this weekend to Miami there is a good chance they wont make the playoffs. The Patriots just dominated the Colts last night with there physicality which was impressive in which I wish Denver could do the same. Have to be more physical on both sides of the ball then they are now or its another wasted season and Manning obviously isn't looking or getting any younger.

 

[randymon]

I hope some of you were watching NFL network and Andrew Sissy whatever just asked Jeff Fisher how did you beat Peyton with that young inexpierienced secondary and the D overall. He said, and I kinda quote " It just wasn`t the D it was the formula of "RUNNING THE BALL" that was the biggest contributor to winning this game. They controled the clock, kept Manning off the field, etc,etc. Jeff Fisher is a very good coach and wise man much like Belicheck and Arians and their all committed to run game,time of possesion and winning the line of scrimmage battle on both sides of the ball. Mr. Elway needs to make some changes and soon if he wants to win a SB in the Peyton Manning era. Why do we, the media, the "knowledgable" football savy commentators know and see this yet Denver can`t seem to grasp it. Last yr, Denver took everybody by surprise with that multiy talented wr core untill they ran into a very good running team and strong D. Everyone is figuring that offense out this yr and are not afraid of their run game. Dear John....Get us a head coach who demands respect, is a strong motivator and AND is loved by his players. Lose Del Rio. He is over-rated if anybody says so. He doesn`t game plan for teams based on their strengths or weaknesses. He just plays it by his book.

 

[TDs3nOut]

Perhaps I am too stubborn, but I'm not prepared to pronounce this year's team dead yet. As poorly as we have played at times this year, there is still enough time left in this season to right the ship. Won't be easy, but I think it's still possible. Are the players and coaches up to the task? I don't know, but I'll still tune in and see how it all turns out. I suspect that all Broncos fans, however frustrated we are at the moment, will do the same.

 

[DownSetHutch]

I'm not giving up on the team yet either, but they need to turn things around soon. Like many, I am putting a lot of the blame on the coaching staff. Del Rio is doing a piss poor job of preparing, scheming, in-game adjusting, properly using personnel, and motivating. What the hell else is there for a coach to do? I don't know what the hell he is doing with some of the shit I see on the field. The first few games of the season, our defense was looking like they were going to be a Top Ten, if not a Top Five unit. Now they just suck at every level. Del Rio had better figure out what the fuck he is doing, or this off-season he will be looking for a job, and doing so with the reputation for squandering talent following him around.

Fox needs to right this ship soon, or he could be out this off-season too. He is ultimately responsible for what is happening and not happening on the field. He needs to show some leadership and lay into everyone, because the whole team and coaching staff is underachieving drastically right now.

Miami is playing well and has the same point differential as the Broncos (+69). This game is going to be huge for playoff implications for both teams. The winner could potentially have the Wild Card tiebreaker, and the loser could potentially miss the playoffs. WTF?? Yeah, that could happen to the Broncos. We've got Miami this weekend, then go into Arrowhead next weekend to play the Chiefs who have won 5 in a row. The way the Broncos have been playing, I wouldn't be surprised to see them lose both games.

Time to roll up the sleaves.

 

[DownSetHutch]

The Kizla article on John Fox is spot on, especially the last part suggesting that John Elway will not be tolerant of a coach who is afraid to pull the trigger, i.e. is too conservative. How long was Elway frustrated by Dan Reeves? Fox has that same conservative mentality.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Just a sad ass performance yesterday. It's become pretty simple.....when we can't run the ball (granted, only 10 friggin' attempts!!), we can't win. Peyton throwing 50+ times spells doom for us.

Can somebody post the injury updates as soon as they hear? JT, Sanders etc....

Any QB having to pass 50+ times spells doom for any team.

Ideally you want a solid mix of run to pass. On average, an NFL offense gets what about 65 to 70 plays per game? I have no idea, just guessing here. You would ideally like about 35 pass, 30 run, at least where Manning is concerned. It didn't help that our offensive weapons started going down like flies.